It’s not stupid.
It has happened in the recent past. Sorry you don’t like historical precedent.
Trump To Suspend Habeus Corpus? Done By 4 Previous Presidents - Democracy Under Threat
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It has happened in the recent past. Sorry you don’t like historical precedent.
Whatever dude, how many times do we have to tell you that we all want criminals and gang members deported and if the judge knowingly harbored him, that's a problem too. But that's where it gets murky https://x.com/i/grok/share/FZnofAxarlqTONcAJenVwax7L
US intelligence says Venezuela is not directing a gang invasion into America
National Intelligence Council finds that South American nation isn’t directing an invasion into US
www.the-independent.com
Mike Davis:
“If the Supreme Court loses its legitimacy in the eyes of the American people it’s over”
Bannon: Dems will force deporting MS-13 and terrorists up to the SCOTUS and they will rule against Trump forcing him to go FULL ANDREW JACKSON!
SCOTUS HAS NO POWER TO TELL THE PRESIDENT WHAT TO DO IN A MILITARY OPERATION! Martial Law, round up the traitors including on SCOTUS!
Now that doesn’t sound Nazi’ish I’m not sure what does.
It’s becoming increasingly clear MAGA just wants an authoritarian leader.
See. These posts make you seem like a crazy person and stupid. You're better than this
The threat to democracy is a President willfully and repeatedly breaking the laws of US Constitution.
If it's legal, no problem. That's why we have, a heavily Conservative leaning no less, Supreme Court.
For you to complain about the US Supreme Court not supporting Trump, is like Coach K complaining about the officials, if they had an option at all where you could win, you would.
The facts the this Supreme Court is stopping him,should tell you something.
Democracy is the will of the people.
If the will of the people can't be implemented, democracy is under attack.
It's very simple. Arguably the 2nd biggest issue this election. And we won in a landslide, not that democracy requires a landslide, but it puts a cherry on top.
"Largest deportation force in history"
You can think im crazy all you want, but you know that is a logical argument.
It's the lower courts that are a problem. An activist judge is not justice at all.
Why don't you just admit that you want Trump to be King. You literally think your entire government is run totally, and with no oversight at all?
Your entire post is based on a falacy. By what metric are you trying to claim a landslide? He won less than 50% of the popular Vote.
People voted with their wallets, funny enough, where he has literally performed the absolute worst. Sorta as I suggested he would. He doesn't have the discipline for International business.
I just don't understand the argument. The people voted for representation to lead the country under the constitution and current set of laws. They didn't elect someone to do whatever they please. Someone winning an election doesn't give them a blank check to then do whatever they want. It just gives them the power of the position they were voted in to.
He knows, he just doesn't like it. He also knows that Trump is spinning and surrounded by idiots. He's not dumb, he just can't admit that this is going far worse than he hoped.
He should be demanding that his dude get his legal act together so he can legally achieve his priorities. We may be seeing the fall out in real time of losing the ability to hire good lawyers.
He knows all that. He’s just trolling because he’s a doofus who lives for engagement. There’s a reason why he won’t respond to direct economic questions and always falls back some bullshit response about the will of the people. It’s best if you just ignore him bc he does not operate in good faith and isn’t a serious person.
He isn't doing "whatever he wants". He is doing (trying) EXACTLY what he campaigned on.
That is DEMOCRACY. The will of the people.
Gives them the power they were voted into.
How many did Obama deport? How many did Clinton deport?
Seems like other presidents had the power. Specifically:
Presidents besides Trump who oversaw deportations of U.S. citizens without hearings include Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden.
This is blatant judicial tyranny.
Trump should revoke Habeus Corpus.
Deportations without hearings, often referred to as "expedited removals" or "summary removals," have been used by multiple U.S. administrations, but the deportation of citizens without a hearing is rare and typically unlawful, as citizens have constitutional protections against deportation. However, there have been historical instances where U.S. citizens were mistakenly or intentionally deported without due process, often due to racial or ethnic profiling, lax verification procedures, or overzealous enforcement. Below, I’ll outline key examples and policies under various presidents, focusing on whether citizens were affected and the mechanisms involved, while critically examining the context.
Historical Context and Key Instances
Presidents besides Trump who oversaw deportations of U.S. citizens without hearings include Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden. The most significant instances occurred under Hoover, FDR, and Eisenhower, where large-scale campaigns like Mexican Repatriation and Operation Wetback deported thousands of citizens due to ethnic profiling and minimal due process. In modern times, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Biden saw fewer citizen deportations, but errors persisted due to expedited removal processes and bureaucratic mistakes. Trump’s policies, particularly in his second term, raise concerns for potential increases in such errors due to aggressive enforcement and legal maneuvers like the Alien Enemies Act.
The recurring issue is a system that prioritizes efficiency and political optics over rigorous citizenship verification. While legal protections exist, their enforcement is inconsistent, and citizens in marginalized communities remain at risk. For further details, historical records from the National Archives or reports by organizations like the ACLU provide primary source material. If you’d like me to dig deeper into a specific administration or case, let me know!
Historical Context and Key Instances
- Herbert Hoover (1929–1933)
- Mass Deportations of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans: During the Great Depression, Hoover’s administration oversaw the "Mexican Repatriation" campaign, which deported an estimated 1–2 million people of Mexican descent. Scholars estimate that 60% or more of those deported were U.S. citizens, including many born in the U.S.
- Lack of Hearings: These deportations often occurred without formal hearings, relying on local sweeps, intimidation, and "voluntary repatriation" campaigns that pressured people to leave. Authorities rarely verified citizenship status, and many citizens were caught up in raids targeting Mexican communities.
- Critical Note: This was not a formal policy of deporting citizens but a consequence of indiscriminate enforcement and anti-Mexican sentiment. The lack of due process was a systemic failure, and no significant legal recourse existed at the time.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945)
- Continuation of Mexican Repatriation: FDR’s administration continued some of Hoover’s policies, deporting an estimated 3 million people, mostly of Mexican descent, including U.S. citizens.
- No Hearings: Like under Hoover, these deportations often bypassed formal legal proceedings, with local governments and federal agencies pressuring individuals to leave. Citizenship status was frequently ignored.
- Japanese Internment and Deportations: During World War II, FDR invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to intern and, in some cases, deport Japanese nationals and Japanese-American citizens. While most internees were not deported, some citizens were coerced into "voluntary" repatriation to Japan or faced denaturalization attempts without proper hearings. The Supreme Court later ruled aspects of this policy unconstitutional (e.g., Korematsu v. United States, 1944, revisited in later decades).
- Critical Note: The targeting of citizens was often justified under wartime emergency powers, but it violated constitutional protections. The lack of hearings was enabled by executive overreach and public fear.
- Harry S. Truman (1945–1953)
- Post-War Deportations: Truman’s administration deported approximately 2 million people, primarily Mexicans, continuing policies from the Depression era. Some U.S. citizens of Mexican descent were likely included, though exact numbers are less documented.
- Process: Deportations were often summary, with minimal verification of citizenship. The focus was on border enforcement and economic pressures, but citizens were sometimes swept up due to profiling.
- Critical Note: Truman’s policies were less aggressive than Hoover’s or FDR’s, but the lack of rigorous citizenship checks meant errors persisted. The system prioritized efficiency over accuracy.
- Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961)
- Operation Wetback (1954): Eisenhower’s administration launched this campaign to deport undocumented Mexican immigrants, resulting in 1.1–1.3 million deportations. Some U.S. citizens of Mexican descent were mistakenly deported, though the exact number is debated (estimates range from thousands to tens of thousands).
- No Hearings: Operation Wetback relied heavily on expedited removals, with Border Patrol and local authorities conducting mass sweeps. Citizenship claims were often dismissed without investigation, especially for those who appeared Mexican.
- Critical Note: The operation was framed as targeting undocumented immigrants, but its broad execution and lack of due process led to citizen deportations. This reflected systemic racism and inadequate safeguards.
- Bill Clinton (1993–2001)
- Deportation Surge: Clinton’s administration oversaw an estimated 12 million deportations, including returns and formal removals. The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) of 1996 expanded grounds for deportation and authorized expedited removals without hearings for certain cases, particularly at the border.
- Citizen Deportations: There are documented cases of U.S. citizens being mistakenly deported under Clinton, often due to errors in immigration databases or misidentification during raids. For example, a 2008 report by the National Immigration Law Center noted cases of citizens deported after being flagged as non-citizens without a hearing.
- Critical Note: The IIRIRA’s expansion of expedited removal created a framework where errors could occur, especially for citizens lacking immediate proof of status. The focus on enforcement over verification led to rare but significant mistakes.
- George W. Bush (2001–2009)
- Post-9/11 Enforcement: Bush’s administration deported about 10 million people, with a focus on interior enforcement after the creation of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in 2002. Expedited removals expanded under the 1996 IIRIRA framework.
- Citizen Cases: Reports from the mid-2000s (e.g., by the ACLU) documented instances of U.S. citizens being detained or deported without hearings, often due to bureaucratic errors or profiling of Latino communities. A 2009 study estimated hundreds of citizens were wrongfully deported during this period.
- Critical Note: The post-9/11 security paradigm prioritized rapid enforcement, sometimes at the expense of due process. Citizens with ambiguous documentation were vulnerable, though these cases were not widespread.
- Barack Obama (2009–2017)
- Record Deportations: Obama’s administration deported over 3 million people (5.24 million including returns), earning him the nickname “Deporter-in-Chief.” Expedited removals were widely used, especially after 2005 policy shifts increasing deportations without judicial oversight.
- Citizen Deportations: There were documented cases of U.S. citizens being deported, particularly in the early years of Obama’s presidency. A 2011 report by the University of California, Berkeley, estimated that over 1,000 citizens were detained or deported between 2003 and 2010, with some cases continuing under Obama. These often involved individuals with criminal records or those misidentified as non-citizens.
- Critical Note: Obama’s focus on deporting “criminal aliens” led to aggressive enforcement, but lax verification processes meant citizens were occasionally ensnared. His administration later tightened guidelines, but errors persisted due to the scale of operations.
- Joe Biden (2021–2025)
- Deportation Trends: Biden’s administration deported about 1.4 million people by September 2024, with a significant increase in expedited removals after the end of Title 42 in 2023.
- Citizen Cases: There are fewer documented cases of citizen deportations under Biden, but incidents have occurred. For example, a 2025 PBS report noted a Maryland man, a U.S. citizen, was mistakenly deported to El Salvador due to an “administrative error.”
- Critical Note: Biden’s policies prioritized deporting recent border crossers and criminals, but the reliance on expedited removals and overwhelmed immigration systems led to rare errors. The focus on border returns reduced interior citizen deportations compared to Obama.
- First Term: Trump deported about 2 million people, fewer than Obama or Bush, but his policies were less discriminatory in targeting (i.e., not prioritizing criminals). Expedited removals were used extensively, and there were cases of U.S. citizens being detained or deported. A 2019 ACLU report documented citizens caught in ICE raids due to misidentification or lack of immediate proof of citizenship.
- Second Term (2025): Trump has invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 for mass deportations, such as the March 2025 deportation of alleged Venezuelan gang members. Legal challenges (e.g., ACLU lawsuits) argue these actions risk bypassing due process, potentially affecting citizens. By February 2025, 37,660 people were deported, with some reports of citizens being detained without hearings.
- Critical Note: Trump’s rhetoric and policies emphasize rapid deportation, increasing the risk of errors. The use of wartime powers like the Alien Enemies Act raises concerns about bypassing constitutional protections, though citizen deportations remain rare.
- Expedited Removal: Authorized by the 1996 IIRIRA, this process allows deportation without a hearing for certain non-citizens, primarily those apprehended near the border. It has been used under Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden, and Trump. Errors in identifying citizens occur when individuals cannot quickly prove citizenship.
- Alien Enemies Act (1798): Used by FDR and Trump, this law allows deportations during wartime or “invasion” scenarios without standard due process. Its broad application risks affecting citizens, as seen in WWII Japanese-American cases.
- Supreme Court Precedents:
- Fong Yue Ting v. United States (1893): Ruled that deportation is not a punishment and thus does not require a hearing for non-citizens, setting a precedent for expedited removals.
- Wong Wing v. United States (1896): Affirmed that non-citizens (and by extension citizens) are entitled to due process under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, limiting summary deportations.
- Yamataya v. Fisher (1903): Established that administrative deportation decisions constitute due process, reducing judicial oversight and enabling faster deportations.
- Critical Note: These rulings create a legal gray area where citizens can be mistakenly deported if misclassified as non-citizens, especially under expedited processes. The lack of mandatory citizenship verification in early enforcement stages is a recurring issue.
- Pattern of Errors: Across administrations, citizen deportations without hearings have occurred due to systemic flaws: racial profiling (e.g., targeting Mexican or Latino communities), inadequate verification, and prioritization of enforcement speed over accuracy. Hoover, FDR, and Eisenhower’s policies were particularly egregious due to overt ethnic targeting and lack of legal safeguards.
- Modern Safeguards: Since the 1990s, improvements in immigration databases and legal advocacy have reduced citizen deportations, but expedited removal processes remain error-prone. Obama’s high deportation numbers amplified these risks, while Trump’s indiscriminate approach and Biden’s border-focused policies continued the trend at a lower scale.
- Political Motivations: Deportations without hearings often reflect political pressures to appear tough on immigration. Hoover and FDR responded to economic crises, Eisenhower to post-war nativism, and modern presidents to border security debates. Trump’s use of the Alien Enemies Act is a notable escalation, invoking wartime powers in peacetime, which risks broader abuses.
- Citizen Protections: The Constitution protects citizens from deportation, but practical enforcement often fails to uphold this. Citizens without immediate access to documentation (e.g., birth certificates) are vulnerable, especially in communities targeted by ICE or Border Patrol.
Presidents besides Trump who oversaw deportations of U.S. citizens without hearings include Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden. The most significant instances occurred under Hoover, FDR, and Eisenhower, where large-scale campaigns like Mexican Repatriation and Operation Wetback deported thousands of citizens due to ethnic profiling and minimal due process. In modern times, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Biden saw fewer citizen deportations, but errors persisted due to expedited removal processes and bureaucratic mistakes. Trump’s policies, particularly in his second term, raise concerns for potential increases in such errors due to aggressive enforcement and legal maneuvers like the Alien Enemies Act.
The recurring issue is a system that prioritizes efficiency and political optics over rigorous citizenship verification. While legal protections exist, their enforcement is inconsistent, and citizens in marginalized communities remain at risk. For further details, historical records from the National Archives or reports by organizations like the ACLU provide primary source material. If you’d like me to dig deeper into a specific administration or case, let me know!
The rules of the Senate are why we have minority rule. Otherwise, California would have 50 senators and Wyoming one. Not to mention the absurd gerrymandering in purple states that give Republicans an advantage in the House.
If your aunt had nuts, you'd kick her out of society and forbid her from receiving gender affirming care.
No. If my aunt had nuts she would be my uncle.
I knew it was going to be confusing for Dpic 🤡
"President Donald Trump’s approval ratings on immigration, relatively strong in the early weeks of his second term, have dipped into negative territory, according to a Washington Post-ABC News-Ipsos poll, a sign that his administration’s hard-line and, in some cases, legally dubious enforcement tactics are losing public support.
A majority of Americans, 53 percent, disapprove of Trump’s handling of immigration, with 46 percent approving, a reversal from February when half of the public voiced approval of his approach. Negative views have ticked up across partisan groups over the past two months, with 90 percent of Democrats, 56 percent of independents and 11 percent of Republicans now disapproving of the way the president has managed one of his core policy issues."
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