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Tyreek Hill body-cam video from Miami-Dade Police

No I don't think it would change what I saw as excessive force in the video.
What would change my mind is if Tyreek was threatened or being combative, I did not see that.

But I'm still trying to find anything that points to 50+mph, I just went through about 20 published articles and none of them indicate that.

You won't. If that were available it would get in the way of the narrative being put forward. That would be nice information to have given the situation.
 
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You don’t have to specifically threaten cops in order for them to give you lawful commands. Not sure what your point is.
You asked me about changing my mind if he was going 50+.
I said no, what would change my mind is if he was being threatening to the cops or being combative. I saw none of that in the video.
 
It was stated well above that his behavior, regardless of whether you think was assholish, should result only in a ticket. None of his behavior require the force shown in that video. He was not threatening and was well within his rights to act the way he did.
They only hurt his feelings. He was able to play the football game and score and 80 yard td. I can see both sides. Its easy for us to sit home and watch these videos and get pissed at cops but think about them. They put their life on the line. Cops get shot and killed on traffic stops every year and they have to deal with drug addled meatballs all the time. so creating safety parameters is a must. If his windows were heavily tinted I could see them getting very nervous. The policemen were hispanic btw. Traffic stops are not on country club rules. I thought they could have handled it a bit better but it shouldnt be a firing offense imo. With that said would not surprise me if they fire them just for public relations purposes.
 
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You asked me about changing my mind if he was going 50+.
I said no, what would change my mind is if he was being threatening to the cops or being combative. I saw none of that in the video.
So no difference to you in whether someone is going 15mph over vs 50mph over?

You don’t think going 100% over the speed limit and 100% over the qualifications for reckless driving is enough cause for the officer to be concerned about his safety?

You are going to lose that argument in front of 99% of judges.

If he was really going 50mph over then we should be asking how he got special treatment and got out of jail in time to play the game.
 
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This TJ Moe's guy here is being ridiculous. Seeing video allows us some additional context and we get to use our own brains and common sense. The police officer was doing his job as if any average person was speeding. Not treating him bad or acting as if Hill almost killed people. Nothing crazy. The officer seemed to get upset because Hill didn't like the way he tapped on his glass and commented repeatedly. Prob annoyed him being the authority figure. Even with that the cop takes his registration and license and is walking away. He then responds to Hill repeating his comment over again about the window tapping. For you to pretend like the request to roll his window down was anything more than a pissing match between 2 men is crazy. Zero to do with safety or his speed. If his speed was an issue there's no way the cop calmly approaches him as if it was any regular speeding situation. Nothing changed until after Hill was being insistent regarding the window tapping. Not sure how you can't see and admit that. Rolling your window down after having already given the requested info is NOT a lawful order by the way. It's really weird the lengths people will go to defend bad behavior.

Some places going as fast as Hill was would require you to be arrested immediately without question. This was not one of those situations even tho I would've arrested him on the spot for that. You can't in hindsight act as if he deserved to be treated that way because of how fast he was going.
 
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