Russian reporters blaming Piton's advisors. As long as he doesn't get stupid and fires a low level nuke, Putin might lose this war. Couldn't happen to a nicer evil dictator.
Ukraine has pushed to the Russian border.
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Putin is a dictator and deserves to lose his invasion into Eurpoe.
Not sure where you're getting that, unless you are drawing generalities based off of something else.
But there is one big worry - Russia is starting to get chummy with China. THAT could be a real freaking problem. Militarily, Russia tends to suck out loud but them and China together could be an issue.
That said - I don't know WTF to do about it. I think we still have to take Ukraine's side in this conflict, at least diplomatically.
Honestly I am not sure whats really happening over there. A lot of propaganda from all sides.
Anybody who thinks Ukraine can legitimately go toe to toe with Russia is fooling themselves. Putin has ulterior motives, if he wanted to Russia could overwhelm Ukraine in a couple days
I don’t know what he’s up to, but this is either to keep NATO off his border or has something to do with the BRICS alliance and their goal to remove the USD as the global reserve currency. But we’re doing a pretty good job of that ourselves
I don’t know what he’s up to, but this is either to keep NATO off his border or has something to do with the BRICS alliance and their goal to remove the USD as the global reserve currency. But we’re doing a pretty good job of that ourselves
No one knows, but everyone likes to act like they do
Ultimately both sides are corrupt to the core so I assume everything I hear or read about the conflict is a lie
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Invades Ukraine, convincing Finland that it needs to join NATO, all to keep NATO off his border. Genius!
You really haven't educated yourself well on this Humas Butthole...., I man JoeBidenSniffsKids, ugh, I mean Hammerdawg.NEAR!
Make your profile pic a racist symbol again. That’s when we had some real fun
One thing is for sure. Do not listen to right-wing media if you really want the truth. OOPS 😅
I must say that I think the general consensus of the board here sees it opposite of what you just wrote
having the Ukraine beat down on Russia is going to make the world a much safer place
From the lose Russia is going to move closer to the West
Iran is going to be tamed
China and NK are going to be quiet for now
Russia officially invades
Sad day as the world watches. Curious to see NATO’s, USA, etc response tomorrow. My wife’s aunt and uncle have worked there for their whole life, just evacuated 2 weeks ago, the stories they’re hearing are terrible. Prayers needed for our world leaders and the Ukrainian people...
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this one has some fun in it. growls is still pro russia after they lost.
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What's even sadder is he's a retired colonel
Tucker Carlson’s Ukraine War Expert Totally Debunked in 72 Hours
"Ukrainian troops retook a wide swath of territory from Russia on Monday, pushing all the way back to the northeastern border in some places"
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Not true aka fake news.Russia officially invades
Sad day as the world watches. Curious to see NATO’s, USA, etc response tomorrow. My wife’s aunt and uncle have worked there for their whole life, just evacuated 2 weeks ago, the stories they’re hearing are terrible. Prayers needed for our world leaders and the Ukrainian people...
this one has some fun in it. growls is still pro russia after they lost.
McGregor knows a hell of a lot more than you or me about what's going on.What's even sadder is he's a retired colonel
Tucker Carlson’s Ukraine War Expert Totally Debunked in 72 Hours
"Ukrainian troops retook a wide swath of territory from Russia on Monday, pushing all the way back to the northeastern border in some places"
And a lot less than those that know a lot.
Fun? You guys were teetering on the edge of emotional breakdowns. I’d hate to be the reason one of you crybabies ended up in the psych ward
Honest, what is probably happening is that Russia is using their second-tier troops and equipment to wear down Ukraine. Once they've done that, I would expect their better troops to move in and take over.
That assumes they a) HAVE better troops and b) haven't tried this already, and c) those 'better troops' are any damn good anyway. Putin is getting roasted on the international stage for how the war is going, but I don't know that he really cares. And I'm certain he doesn't care how many of his soldiers die.
A lot of the highlights have been Ukraine wins against armor. Russian armor sucks. the T90 has a fine cannon but in a fight with a near-latest-gen M1, latest-gen Challenger or Leopard, or (God help them) that new South Korean tank, they won't last very long.
Russia has never been afraid to send it's own solders to slaughter in order to win a war.
I'm not saying Russia is going to win. I think they are getting a hard lesson in how hard a native people will fight for their homeland. I'm just saying be cautious with predictions based on what we have seen.
This Twitter profile is an interesting one to follow if you want to see information on the destroyed Russian armored vehicles. If we can believe it, they are getting hammered hard.
I don’t get it either as Russia could go full WAR and decimate the Ukraine with massive bombing of key infrastructure
Its like they want to win with limitations on how bad the desolation will be
If they wanted they could obliterate the living and make the country a dessert
Keep asking myself as to why are they holding back and NOT going total WAR
One question this war really asks is whether Russia has been able to stay current with their weaponry and tactics vs the Western(USA) armies. It sure looks like Russia is fighting this like it's a conflict from the 70's and just getting killed by updated weapons such as drones.
Their Army has performed really poorly vs expectations.
Their Army has performed really poorly vs expectations.
My understanding is that Russia has designs for some decent stuff but they can't afford to mass produce it.
I think they have a design for a 5th gen fighter (near-peer with the F22/F35) but I don't know how many they've made.
Their aircraft carrier has to have a sea-going tugboat follow it for when it breaks down. Speaks to their economic situation but you don't really need an aircraft carrier vs Ukraine. They are more for projecting power around the world.
Their subs are supposedly fast, deep running, and loud. US stuff is much quieter.
The T90 is an improved T72 which has a nice gun but the armor kinda sucks.
No he doesn't. He's way off. Ukraine is making modest gains right now all along the front. There's no fighting around Kharkiv. It's secure well behind the FLOT.
Russia has worn out its best units. They are scrambling to get bodies into the Army at this point. They've wasted a lot of blood and treasure in this war and don't have anything to show for it.
And their subs haven't been loud since the early 90's. Thank Walker and Toshiba for that.
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This was my understanding from the beginning is that they had not adapted/modernized their "conflict strategy" if you catch my drift. I think they also relied (or over-relied I guess) on being portrayed as a nuclear threat, in a sense they thought they could use that to "bully" Ukraine and eventually take it back.
From what I read, Russian warmaking capacity is more limited that most folks understand. They never did a general mobilization, relied on mercs and lots of conscripts, and are now resorting to Chechens and other odd folks like the Wagner Group to lead offensives as the regular troops wont do it. Their war reserve depots are full of broke dick equipment. The BCT unit design is too light to sustain a fight of this type. Russia is in serious trouble due to poor logistics-push thru models don't work in sustained combat. Tactically speaking, the Ukr light infantry has been quite good for the most part, and well led. War sucks ass, but this one is fascinating from a military point of view.
Well, maybe my info's out of date. How do they compare to modern US stuff (if you can say)?
If Russia is using their BEST units and this is the result....Hoo boy. No wonder they are trying to get chummy with China.
Russia made this attack without fully mobilizing most units. They were manned at peacetime levels (40-50% of required), so all they did was scoot enough folks from other units into one group usually called a BCT (battalion combat team). They used roughly 140 BCT's over the front initially, and then mobilized a few more. The BCT has a few tanks and BMP's with maybe a battery of artillery, (600-800 men) but little logistics. The result was a lot of untrained troops that didnt know each other, and not enough infantry to hold or assault. When they ran out of beans and bullets, the result was the infamous 40 mile column of trucks that got slaughtered. It got worse as the Russian model has no NCO's to get stuff done.
Russian equipment is average-a T-72 will violently blow up if hit with hard rounds, like a 120mm. The ammo is stored right under the turret ring, causing the mushroom pop when hit. In 1991, I watched a T-72 turret blow off at 3 km away when hit by an M-1. The M-1 that fired the round was rolling down a four lane highway at 50mph. That's a catastrophic kill.
The artillery is solid but does not use many precision rounds. Mass fires, which are fine when you have ammo, but not so much when the trucks carrying the rounds get waxed. The rest of the stuff is plentiful but not overly up to date.
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Earlier than 1990 their subs were noisy. Very noisy. Old P-3 guys I flew with would brag about tracking 2-3 at the same time. We could do this because they were so loud, a couple of buoys would hold contact for a long time. This makes the tracking problem easier. It's literally like a single DB covering multiple receivers. The son of a bitch John Walker gave the Russia's the codes to our TS communications. They could now read some of our communications. What they learned is that we could track their subs very easily. They didn't think we could because their ability to track our guys was very limited. As a result, they invested in quieting their subs. In a matter of years, the acoustic ranges dramatically reduced. We could still track them. It was just a lot more work.
Our sub guys are very, very quiet and good at what they do. Much better than the Russians or anyone else.
Russia and China hate each other. The only thing that drives them together is their mutual hate of us. Just know in that relationship, Putin will be Xi's bitch.
Yes - Russia used front line units for their initial assault. Many of them have been chewed up. They have lost a lot of equipment. The Uks have destroyed a bunch. The Russians have abandoned even more. Logistics is to a military as an OL is to an offense. If you don't have it, your stuff breaks down, and it's no good. Guns aren't good without bullets and vehicles don't move without gas. The Russian logistics have been very poor. It has hampered them pressing assaults. The Uk's have targeted supply vehicles and depot areas hampering Ivan even more.
Many Russian enlisted are conscripts. The Russian NCO Corps has never been seen as very strong. NCO's are the heart of a professional military. The quality of life in the Russian military is pretty poor. The guys don't stick around if they don't really need to. Thus a lack of good NCO's. My understanding is that part of the problem is the troops in the field weren't maintaining equipment like they should. As a result, it broke down. That's a training issue. It's a sign they don't get out in the field regularly and operate in combat conditions. Again, its a sign of a weak NCO corps (who are the SME's on their equipment.) My understanding is that Russia has taken to adding mercs and Chechens to replenish their ranks in Ukraine. They are available troops they don't have to train. They have used Mercs in Syria (we killed a bunch of them).
Russians can make good stuff. They just can't afford to make it in large quantities. I saw an unclass analysis of their fighter pilots flight hour program. Its barely enough to be safe flying let alone have a training regime that makes you proficient at air-to-air and air-to-ground. We use a lot of smart weapons on our planes. All our fighters can drop LGB's and GBU's. They are very precise and have a very high hit rate. Most Russian fighters can't carry smart weapons. They only configure a few to drop them. Why? They don't have a lot. They still rely on dumb iron. That's one reason why you see a lot of CIVCAS reports in Ukraine.
That's why the HIMARS we sent is a game changer. You could set one of those up in Death Valley and obliterate the Gamecock logo on Billy Brice with ease. Challenge with it is that the ammo is expensive.
Some folks have said, "Sell Ukraine F-16s." (or some other weapons system). It's not that easy. It takes months of training for a pilot to become proficient in the weapon system. It take millions and millions of dollars to build up supplies of parts, tools, testing equipment etc. It take YEARS to train young men to maintain the equipment right. We've been training the Iraqi's for more than a decade to fly and maintain a handful of F-16s. They still need contractor help to maintain them. Same goes for the former Afghan Air Force (hell we had to teach their guys to read first). They never got to a point they could really maintain the gear on their own.
When you see a pair of fighters overfly Death Valley it is truly an expression of national power. Our capitalist society drove investment and innovation for companies to supply these weapons. US engineers designed the aircraft. US scientists researched new weapons. Our schools produced young men and women capable of operating and maintaining these incredibly complex weapon systems. And our factories cranked them out. There's literally only a handful of countries in the world that can do this.
I worked with the Ukrainians in 2008 for a few weeks. Great guys. Very professional. But they were students of Russian military tactics and organization. They were very rigid, would not take chances, and decisions were made at the highest level. I came away wondering why were were ever scared of these guys. We'd have fought circles around them. At the outset of this conflict, I though Russia would steamroll these guys. Much like my prediction that Clemson would steamroll Ohio State in 2020, I was way wrong. Some of the things I have read lead me to believe Ukraine is playing chess while the Russians are playing checkers. Now let's be clear, Ukraine has gotten its ass handed to them too. They've lost a lot. But right now, they seem to have the upper hand. Winter is coming which generally means a slow down in fighting. It'll be interesting to see what happens next Spring. I don't know anything for a fact, but I'd be shocked is US SOF isn't there soaking up intel and training and advising Ukraine as well. I also have the strong suspicion that there are plenty of American Soldiers of Fortune over there as well. I know a Citadel buddy who is a former Ranger and is over there on a "humanitarian mission." Handing out Band-Aids and biscuits ain't his style.
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I don't believe you. We need to test this.
Because we have to be sure.
In the past, I've heard of the US either a) buying a nation like Ukraine ComBlock equipment, or (and I think Poland may have done this) have an ally with ComBloc equipment give it to the nation of interest and replace it with equivalent or better US equipment - though in that case I think they were doing this with tanks.
Hell - at one point the Israelis were buying old MiG-23s to use to patrol their borders because they were cheap and good enough to handle that particular job.
Being trained to use the equipment is more important than giving them the equipment
If we keep doing what we are doing things will work out fine
And do know that American weapon makers are in the field in the Ukraine studying how to make better weapons as we sit here and observe
The Ukrainians are helping the US develop the next generation of killers
Thats the way it is
This is likely the case. The US will help the Uks replenish their Russian gear. We'll use our connections to buy them hardware and parts from other countries. We'll funnel it quietly through Poland to Ukraine, Then we will more that likely agree to help that country purchase new US equipment. I can really see Poland waiting to get rid of their Soviet stuff and align their hardware more with NATO.
That said, the US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) policy has really tightened up. The Arab countries are really pissed at how hard we make it. They want US stuff but we make it so hard to buy. They pit the Chinese and Russians against us regularly. They will admit, though, that the Russia stuff isn't as good and that the Chinese have lot of strings attached to the purchase.
A lot of times we offer to sell countries stuff that is out of date. The countries know this and get pissed that we don't offer them the latest version. I believe our laws are that we can't sell anyone equipment that could be a threat to us. Example: The F-35's we are selling NATO and Israel ARE NOT the same that we are flying. They don't get ALL the bells and whistles.
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It seems like good policy. "It's not as good as ours, but it's better than anything else." And now it can be followed up with, "Good luck trying commie trash that made for better TikToc entertainment than actual warfighting effectiveness."
