If the fatality rate ever approaches the 100,000 count then that tells you just how skewed the age of the American population is toward 60 plus.
Updated projections from Dr. Birx and Fauci
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Corporate bailouts help expand the income gap. Failed business people should go bankrupt as punishment for terrible business practices. When they go bankrupt it allows a more efficient alternative to enter the market. The government would rather keep those in power in power. Nothing was about saving industries.
The federal reserve got lucky with a crisis. Without one it would have been hard to justify printing trillions of dollars to save a “strong” economy.
What happens if the WuHan virus fatality rate in the USA is similar to that of H1N1 or any other flu virus the first year they were detected?
Well that is the problem. The vocal for right and the vocal far left just blame each other on ANYTHING.
Global Pandemic: check
Child prostitution ring: check
When you no longer care about people and only about defeating your enemy, you've lost. I wish this whole thing would collapse our government so we could hit reset on that as well.
There's a part of me that wishes that too, but hopefully this country will wise up that this is where partisanship run amok will get you.
I doubt we keep our number under 2.2 million and that's .6% of our population. I'm guessing we are somewhere closer to 5 mill.
But this is "no different than the flu".
So you really think we will see 2.2 million die from the corona virus? hmmm
lol, what?! A lot of you guys seem to be giving Trump a lot more credit than I am and I’m a Trump voter.
China doing more than any other country? Well they should be! This is happening because of China. This is happening because China kept this a secret for as long as they did and because they LIED to us and other countries about this.
They covered up and arrested a Dr. that was actually telling other countries about COVID19.
The Chinese Health Commission was lying to the United State’s health sector. This is why I say a lot of you guys are giving Trump too much credit. People actually expect Trump to know when to shut down our country’s travel or what to do about a virus we have no clue about because it’s new?
You’re as much a partisan hack as the next guy. We all have our preferences, but some go straight to hate. Mostly libs.
China had 12 to 40 times more cases than reported some scientists believe.
Mexico is a disaster waiting to happen. Few traveled to Mexico from hot spots relative to the US. A second or third delayed wave may be disastrous for them. Same for India which may be a delayed disaster.
South Korea had a break on the testing as they mobilized resources and materials from their prior extensive MERS testing program quickly to get going on coronavirus testing. And they did not have bumbling CDC scientists/decision makers and political hack FDA folk getting in the way of quick effective action.
Please tell me why. THAT'S an estimate by people who actually understand how viruses are transmitted and how pandemics work. You say that they are not only wrong, but crazy. Tell us all how you know this... Just a Hint. Hannety and Trump do NOT count as experts on contagins.
Now remember, that's an estimate of what would happen if NO measures were taken. We are obviously taking measures, so no one expects 2.2 million to die. But consider this. Let's say that the mortality rate of this is in the 0.3% range.. a really bad flu. And lets say that about 50% of the US eventually gets infected. That would put the number of deaths at north of half a million.
Toasted712 just said he doubts we will keep it under 2.2 million.
That's wrong. The airlines quit scheduling flights TO China before Trump's order because of lack of demand.
The numbers in that chart really put into perspective how bad things are in NY. The total hospital bed shortage in the US is 61,500. NY accounts for 58,500 of those.
our cases are likely severely underreported also as we cannot manage a robust testing protocol to find out.
I thought India and Mexico would be disasters, but for now they are not. Why could South Korea pull that off on day 1 and we cant on day 60? The key is preparation and leadership- both of which we are lacking. The only countries known to be handling this worse are Italy and Spain- add China if you wish- not a great group of comparables.
Again the airlines took action before Trump. This cant be argued against either way.
Yes, it's 100% Trump's fault that NY elected officials, democrats by the way, were urging people to participate in celebrations, and take zero precautions whatsoever. They even went so far as to say that if you didn't participate in the Lunar New Year celebrations, gasp, you were a racist!
The pandemic experts who watched a video a months ago are almost as cool as the political hacks .
Yes, it's 100% Trump's fault that NY elected officials, democrats by the way, were urging people to participate in celebrations, and take zero precautions whatsoever. They even went so far as to say that if you didn't participate in the Lunar New Year celebrations, gasp, you were a racist!
Trump was told this was coming. He downplayed it. Just gonna have to sit this one out it looks like.
Maybe your reaction to the media is over the top?
Everyone downplayed it. Well, maybe not everyone, but a lot of policy makers, advisors, and influencers did. Just blindly assigning all of the blame to Trump is the exact same as the whole "thanks Obama" nonsense. If that's how you handle things, fine, just be consistent.
Well you compared the USA to other countries. Everyone is comparing apples to oranges when they do that, and they are fully aware of it. the problem is it seems this has to be made political.
Not a huge fan of Trump, but this is not right. Democrats, Republicans, Unions, the large percentage of our country who DGAF about spreading it
Blaming one man who happens to be president for this is bs and everyone knows it
When you are the President you should take any legit threat seriously. He didnt. I have said Deblasio was a dumb ass for his actions, but he isnt the leader of this country either.
Wrong, our form of government is great for building our financial structure and scientific advancements. Not so great when trying to beat a pandemic. Just because we have the science and the money DOES NOT help us keep 350,000,000 people inside at their homes.
And im not sure what you are trying to say he SHOULD have done is even remotely possible.
Yes, he is an idiot sometimes on twitter and on the air. He has his strengths (building a healthy economy) and he has weaknesses (his speeches are sometimes dog crap)
Something like this falls on DECADES of blame. We should have been preparing for this 10 years ago. We knew it would come. This wont be the last one to ever hit us either
LOL...I will bet you any amount of money that we do not even hit 1 million deaths. Not even close in fact, but in terms of a bet, I'm setting the O/U at 1 million and taking the under.
If you're not a gullible, fear mongering idiot, name your price and I'll setup the escrow account.
Well, maybe if the democrats hadn't been holding Trump hostage with the most bogus impeachment attempt of all time, he could have given this whatever it is you deem as appropriate attention and taken action sooner.
You should, but something like this is not even remotely close to falling on one term of a presidency.
Obama knew this was a threat, Bush knew this was a threat, hell anyone with half a brain on Capitol Hill KNEW something like this could and would happen someday.
but everyone wants to bash the one dude who just walked through the door at the party.
Makes. No. Damn. Sense.
And yea Trump needs to cut the dumbass tweets/comments out. He needs to care less what people think and do his job now. Still doesnt change the fact that if people really think he is to blame for this they are certified clowns
I don't think we know that panic is not driving infection rates. Need to look at Japan and Sweden models.
Japan has had known cases since the start of the year. No panic. Some are thinking it's been in the states as long. Outbreaks occur after major events, Chinese new year, soccer, march in Madrid. Panic ensues. US media drives panic. New York on lockdown 14 days before surge at hospitals. (note also a Huge surge compared to the 10 year average in NY hospitals from mid to late December; possibly non-panic induced corona? And evidence to suggest very early, possibly October clusters in northwest)
Japan and Sweden maintain low panic and low numbers and relaxed method. Of course Japans culture impacts low rates, but it's been circulating since early in the year.
Chinese expert reports 83% of clusters are familial.
Lockdowns are pushing familial cluster infection and pushing everyone with a mild allergy into a line at the hospitals with the infected at the worst possible time. A normal surge of infection is multiplied by panic.
Wuhan lockdown worked because of the healthcare capacity the government brought in. Factories are back open in China at end of February. Is it really gone that fast? Very doubtful. The rate was lowered by the safe signal given by lifting the lockdowns.
New York has to stay on lockdown at this point as well as nursing homes. Other areas should be asked to stop watching television.
this is theoretical.
This must be Trumps fault also. Good luck keeping people home for 2 weeks, much less a month.
Then he should resign since he isn't fit to deal with a crisis because the dems hurt his feelings and so he can't properly process things.
I think this is pretty close to what I predicted when I "did the math." Some on here said I was crazy. Now Trump "hopes to keep it under 100,000." Not sure that came out right.
I sought to use countries that should have been good examples (excluding China) either for location or large population. The US supposedly has the most advanced medical system, but is now playing catch up because it started playing in the 2d quarter. Whoever has been in charge has done a poor job of getting us ready. Doesn’t mean we can’t survive, but saying leadership to date has been lacking is an understatement.
As for Trump, I hold him in no more or less regard than the last officeholder. We are not and have not been well served by those of either party that are supposedly in charge and all of the posturing, blaming, and denial will not change that.
Yes, it's 100% Trump's fault that NY elected officials, democrats by the way, were urging people to participate in celebrations, and take zero precautions whatsoever. They even went so far as to say that if you didn't participate in the Lunar New Year celebrations, gasp, you were a racist!
The truth is shining through. Trump living rent free in all these libs is coming out 10 fold. They’re going to ride this mantra until November in a fashion never seen.
Then they’re gonna lose and 11/5 will be incredibly entertaining in the most comical fashion.
