VERY interesting all cause mortality discussion re: Sweden
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And my interpretation is a lot of fear mongering. The deaths were all reported as Covid as if there were no other conditions that were actually the cause of death. The virus has over a 99% recovery rate. It’s been highly politicized.
Real Question. Has @amynhop ever brought anything of value to any discussion on this site? Like anything at all other than slogans,rhetoric,or misleading information? It's quite honestly exhausting and frustrating.
This won't make you feel any better, but 299,000 is actually less than one tenth of 1% of the population. Complete lack of logic or justification for what some states have done.
I bring a different opinion than you. And I’m entitled to it. This is a free country and good Lord willing it will stay that way.
And I’m respectful and don’t tag and attack and insult other posters who have a different opinion than mine. You have a nice afternoon.
Yes the lockdowns are causing suffering for all ages of people. It's truly devestating but that doesn't fit your narrative you are being fed. Don't worry about the suicides, drug and alcohol abuse, domestic violence. All of these things are way up this year. Not to mention the poor kids that live in those homes. Why do you choose to diminish this? You can't lock down the country. Health experts are advising against lockdowns. Listen to the health experts!
He keeps coming back for more. I think he actually likes you Amy
it's bullshit. charts made up on MS notepad with no backing data. this is why twitter is so scary. simple minded folk who cant see though the wonders of a chart made in notepad.
Team Lockdown and Team Covid are a tough bunch.
Just stay home save a life. Shut it down for 3 months! Wear a mask!
Just stay home save a life. Shut it down for 3 months! Wear a mask!
And she's supposedly in the medical field. Posting trash like this that requires a lot of nuance to correctly understand, proves she is not. But we understand her true motive...
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agreed. 100% bullshit through and through.
here's the thing though; we still have a few hundred thousand excess deaths to account for this year in the US alone. call them whatever you want, but we're up almost 10% year over year on number of people no longer breathing in this country. based on my novice scientific experience i'd say we have something odd going on, specifically if that number is a statistically significant increase from the previous few years of data (hint, it was). i truly cannot understand what the justification is for not investigating a rise in deaths by about 10% with no real explanation
The virus is real and so are the catastrophic consequences to all people by enforcing more lockdowns. We don't need both. We should listen to the health experts and avoid more lockdowns.
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The flip side of this is that some lives are being destroyed by the suppressed/damaged/reduced/diminished economy. Drug abuse, suicide, overdosing, depression - all way up. This isn’t all about money.
Milton Friedman and a young Michael Moore had an interesting debate on this subject
Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)
Explore data on COVID-19 excess mortality across the world.ourworldindata.org
CDC contradicts your meme's napkin math.
Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19, by Age and ...
This report describes the estimated excess deaths reported in the United States from late January through October 3, 2020, with 66% excess deaths attributed to COVID-19.www.cdc.gov
None of what y’all posted disproves what @Tiger at State posted. You do realize that? Idiots! Anyone care to revisit this in two years? OPs numbers will be spot on.
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Yes they are. They only give a damn about the pandemic as it relates to affecting the outcome of the election.
You forgot mandating what and how much food people can eat. That would go after the number 1 killed every year in the USA - 800,000 per year
it doesn't need to be refuted by anyone because it's made up. it's ok to say you got tricked, it happens all the time. look at Facebook that's about 95% of people who are easily duped right there.
the following have all increased in 2020
suicide, overdose, Covid, murder - I’m probably missing a few others like accidental deaths due to alcohol/drugs
get real. 45000 people commit suicide a year. ~45000 ODs a year. a 100% increase isnt going to account for close to a few hundred thousand people. where did they go? colonize mars?
Well then, How about you prove it wrong with the actual numbers for those that he posted.
So you are making up info to say it is made up. Or do you have proof it is made up?
We may never know how many lives are lost due to the fear surrounding COVID. From people who have had delayed health screenings either from their own fear or from shutdowns at hospitals and medical offices. I see patients on almost a weekly basis now that are still having colonoscopies pushed back and rescheduled. Surgeries are being rescheduled. Stress tests. The list goes on and on. But the worst part is the mental health toll that quarantines and the irrational fear has caused. Almost everyday I see some patient, mostly young people, who are having serious mental health problems all stemming from the upheaval in their lives over COVID. The number of lives lost just to the mental health problem stemming from all this will never be known. The cure is most certainly worse than the disease.
According to your WHO:
Close to 800,000 suicides occur world wide every year. We are already at 886,543 as of today. At that pace we’ll hit 1,075,043 this year. Divided by 800,000 avg (from WHO) is a 34% increase in suicides worldwide. Those suicides are just now starting to manifest themselves and will continue for years after the virus is gone.
Really?? I am willing to listen to arguments that shutting down everywhere initially was too far, it should have been more targeted.
Here is the deal - You are willing to trust a photo from an unknown source that claims to be the CDC. I post data directly from the CDC that shows deaths have been above expected since roughly mid February and I am the idiot. I looked at his photo and thought wow, is that true? Researched it at lunch and figured out it was not true with real data. But you are the genius because you took a photo at face value. I just don't get you guys. You are unable to even fathom you are wrong about this. I feel like I am in constant fact finding, changing what I do based on what I see with my own eyes and read. My education at Clemson holds value to me, it taught me how to do research, discern information.
I'm not freaking out, hiding in my basement. I visited my son at Clemson this weekend, met his friends, went to Loose Change. But this week I am trying to be careful in case I did get it while out in Clemson. My wife's uncle is elderly and slightly disabled. We are his connection with the outside world. We don't want to get him sick and pass it to his retirement home. However I have also seen that the quarantine has been bad for him. His health and mobility have gone down a good bit as his care has decreased. Good lord why bother, you don't care what anyone says who doesn't agree with you.
Something no one is considering: people seaking treatment for life threatening conditions like stroke and heart attacks was down drastically. I read 40% somewhere but don’t remember. So tifwiw. Deaths by suicide, drug and alcohol overdoses are up almost twenty percent. Deaths by postponed surgeries chillingly deemed “non-essential” by our incompetent leaders. These are the result of the lockdown and media panic porn so Covid isn’t all to blame. There’s a lot more negative causation from the lockdown as well.
Bottom line Cal-Berkeley and MIT both did independent studies and determined the lockdown caused more deaths- not less, than focusing limited resources on those who are vulnerable and keeping society open. It was plain as day from looking at Europe all the way back in March who was ahead of our Infection curve that this gets elderly and very sick in overwhelming proportions to the rest of the population.
In late June / early July there were 80% of US counties with two Covid deaths or less and half the US counties had zero. The vast majority of hospitals were virtually empty, nurses were laid off by the thousands and doctors were furloughed. This was never anywhere close to a national emergency. It was panic by weak/ignorant and/or politically motivated power mad leaders egged on by incompetent bureaucrats and a media obsessed with taking down Trump any unconscionable way they could.
Nothing disingenuous here. There were multiple scientists plotting the curves across multiple countries showing lockdowns did almost nothing to stop or greatly slow the spread. This was all the way back in May when I saw the first curve analysis by Yitzak Ben Israel of Tel-Aviv University of eight countries with widely varying response measures and very similar infection curves.
There is ample reason for me to highly suspect an alterior motive unless our leaders really are this dumb.
The most puzzling thing of all is the blind followers insisting on doing the same things everywhere when it is demonstrably not working at all. The infection rate has gone up nearly everywhere after masks are mandated. Nearly everyone who’s caught this has been wearing their masks. The virus dies almost instantaneously in direct sun but people walk around outside and even drive with the stupid masks on.
Up is down and down is up. The level of mass psychosis is simply astounding.
I deal in facts. The numbers he posted are accurate as far as I could tell. Your dunce pack’s numbers don’t mean his are wrong and actually may explain or support why his are most likely correct. But you are too fvcking stupid to even realize that. That is hilarious. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You're the idiot if you don't see how his bullshit post is disproven. The 2020 stats that he posted are 100% false. The real CDC numbers add up to far more than the crap he posted.
LMAO "accurate as far as you could tell". Let me see, you probably are a valid medical professional. Your son went to get an antibody test to see if he currently had Covid....nevermind going to get a PCR test to get the proper testing. Go crawl back under your rock in po dump GA
Please post these Real CDC numbers you speak of Sir Idiot
The ignorance involved in not only the tweet, but your posting it here is truly astounding.
For you libtards,
The following quote is from one of your links could easily explain why his numbers are correct. Keep in mind no one is saying your stupid links are incorrect. But for you idiots that don’t understand what you post here you go. But I’m willing to bet you dumbasses just want to continue to harp on his numbers just can’t be correct. Your small pea brains can’t understand that both can actually and most likely are/be correct at the same time. But in your pea brains it makes Covid look good just before the election and you can’t have that. 🤣🤣🤣
ourworldindata.org
“ these figures – as reported by governments and national health ministries – are the number of confirmed deaths due to COVID-19, which may differ from the total death toll from the pandemic for several reasons:
The following quote is from one of your links could easily explain why his numbers are correct. Keep in mind no one is saying your stupid links are incorrect. But for you idiots that don’t understand what you post here you go. But I’m willing to bet you dumbasses just want to continue to harp on his numbers just can’t be correct. Your small pea brains can’t understand that both can actually and most likely are/be correct at the same time. But in your pea brains it makes Covid look good just before the election and you can’t have that. 🤣🤣🤣
Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)
Explore data on COVID-19 excess mortality across the world.
ourworldindata.org
“ these figures – as reported by governments and national health ministries – are the number of confirmed deaths due to COVID-19, which may differ from the total death toll from the pandemic for several reasons:
- Some (but not all) countries only report COVID-19 deaths that occur in hospitals – people that die from the disease at home may not be recorded;
- Some countries only report deaths for which a COVID-19 test has confirmed that a patient was infected with the virus – untested individuals may not be included;
- Death reporting systems may be insufficient to accurately measure mortality – this is particularly true in poorer countries;
- The pandemic may result in increased deaths from other causes for a number of reasons including weakened healthcare systems; fewer people seeking treatment for other health risks; or less available funding and treatment for other diseases (e.g. HIV/AIDS, malaria, tuberculosis);
- The pandemic may result in fewer deaths from other causes – for example, the mobility restrictions during the pandemic might lead to fewer deaths from road accidents.
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