We should bill China

[CU Alumnus]

I'm not a leftist but ok. I know what I think about Trump and my opinion won't be changed, as is my right. Calling it the Wuhan virus would be technically correct and the Chinese government absolutely tried to cover things up, early on. That's what authoritarian governments do, as we all know. It's why the U.S. has traditionally stood as a polar opposite to all of them.

My sole point about the racially charged terminology being thrown around *only* by those of a certain political leaning is that a true leader would be laser-focused on prevention and solutions, by any means necessary. The only leaders I see making any difference in this country are a handful of governors. Thankfully mine (Cuomo) seems to be doing a great job - which honestly is surprising to most in NY. DeBlasio is the trainwreck we all already knew he was.

My opinion: crossing out the actual medical term and replacing it with "Chinese" is, at best, just a complete troll and waste of time/energy at this critical time. I know his supporters will never be convinced - just typing and getting things off my chest in this silly forum to avoid going stir crazy.

Trump is throwing the "China Virus" back in China's face. I don't know that he's put a ton of thought into it but I would guess he wants the focus on the government of China, not the suffering people of Wuhan.

Cuomo seems to be doing well. Not sure on McMaster but I think he's trying to avoid destroying the economy (which is the engine that allows us to fight this kind of thing) so I've seen worse.

 

[areeves]

@areeves have you been tested for the coronavirus?

Have You ?

 

[Baloney_Pony]

I have observed it firsthand. We had good cooperation until the 1990s when both parties went completely partisan. Recall that even SC had Sen. Thurmond (R) and Sen.Hollings (D) for decades and they cooperated well with each other and other members of both parties. Winning became more important for both sides than doing what was right or best for the country. It was a different county in many respects.

I told a friend the other day that I am flabbergasted that a country as great as ours is in the position we are in now. We are not even a leader yet in the fight against this pandemic. We bumbled for weeks to even come up with a usable test when many other countries were testing big numbers. My entire life the USA would have been the leader in the fight, would have been the innovator to determine how best to address it, and would have organized the world in a coordinated front against it (with a few malcontents such as China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela and Cuba griping about our leadership and boycotting). Instead, we bickered over ridiculous impeachment (the Dems.) and ignored it and stuck our heads in the sand (the Pres. and the Reps.). We are beginning to mobilize now, so perhaps we will take our traditional mantle shortly.

Well said.

 

[Dbatz]

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/coronavirus-inside-chinas-wet-markets-21722495

Make em pay, then shut them out and have no dealings with these clowns.

 

[Buzzards Roost]

I have no expertise on what type of testing was being done other than that we essentially did no testing for nearly 2 months (less than 1,000 total tests in a country of 330 million in 2 months). SK was the first to do the drive thru testing centers that we are now copying and they did it on a large scale.

I read yesterday that experts believe we have between 200k - 600k cases in the USA now. If accurate, we know of about 10% of our cases.

Singapore and Taiwan have also kept their numbers in check much like SK but were on it from the beginning better than SK. They have the advantage of much smaller populations and being much more geographically compact, but they also have a large number of folks coming and going from China (or did on the relevant dates).

The experts I have been following the past 8 weeks, Eric Feigl-Ding, Laurie Garrett, and Scott Gottlieb primarily) repeatedly called for such testing, some of them almost daily, 6-8 weeks back. Dr. Ding daily compared our testing to SK's and noted that we were flying blind and a disaster was almost assuredly coming because we had no idea of the scope of our problem so that we could address it. Recall all the bragging about how few cases we had for weeks.

A few billion (or even 10s of billions) dollars spent a few weeks back, could have potentially saved trillions of dollars and a lot of lives now. I suspect the country will be $30 trillion in debt when this is done.

Really these things are controlled with universal precautions. With or without testing. What if this was 20 years ago with no test for a year? S. Korea tested 6% of its population. That’s all. But they did the precautions with the whole population. We are tracking right with them on mortality and morbidity. They started earlier than we did with big numbers of sick patients.
My big worry is that even though we track with them we could run out of supplies and equipment. But I bet we rise to it!
They didn’t do well because of testing. They didn’t test that many. They did well by treating everybody as though they might have it. And probably didn’t have elbow to elbow beach bashes.
If we had started all this in January, sure we would be better off. But there would have been a revolt.

 

[Baloney_Pony]

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/coronavirus-inside-chinas-wet-markets-21722495

Make em pay, then shut them out and have no dealings with these clowns.

So just not sell them our grain, cars, and planes? And not receive a wide array of goods we rely on to exist? Again, y’all need to get at least a small understanding of international trade.