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What's wrong with Trump

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all of his candidates are losing or dropping out. is he no longer the guy everyone thinks he was? will this hurt his next run for president?

pins and needles time
 
all of his candidates are losing or dropping out. is he no longer the guy everyone thinks he was? will this hurt his next run for president?

pins and needles time
He's even kicking the seditionists to the curb. Poor Mo Brooks screeched about patriots kickin ass at the insurrection party and Trump yanked his endorsement.

Everything he touches turns to sh*t LOL
 
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Everything he touches turns to sh*t LOL

Yup ... he is quite possibly the most successful failure in human history.

Of course ... its easy to come out a winner when you have a $250M head start.


Its unfortunate though (and I know we disagree and that is fine) because from a policy perspective I mostly agreed with him ..... he is just awful .... just awful .... he has no redeeming qualities at all. Its actually quite amazing how awful Trump is.
 
Yup ... he is quite possibly the most successful failure in human history.

Of course ... its easy to come out a winner when you have a $250M head start.


Its unfortunate though (and I know we disagree and that is fine) because from a policy perspective I mostly agreed with him ..... he is just awful .... just awful .... he has no redeeming qualities at all. Its actually quite amazing how awful Trump is.
We might agree on more than you think besides the imaginary culture issues that upset you 😅. But as long as you see him for the POS he is, I'm happy to give you a pass on that too haha
 
We do not elect a potus because of him being either a nice guy or a D**K. We elect an individual for their positions on policies and leadership skills plus ability to actually get stuff done. Trump even with his shortcomings was able to get stuff done on an A+ level and it was stuff that helped the American People.
 
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We do not elect a potus because of him being either a nice guy or a D**K. We elect an individual for their positions on policies and leadership skills plus ability to actually get stuff done. Trump even with his shortcomings was able to get stuff done on an A+ level and it was stuff that helped the American People.
please define the leadership skills trump shows. that high of a turnover rate is always an indictment of leadership and their ability to hire and train people. if trump was the CEO president he said he was going to be then he's surely the shittiest interviewer of all time, easily duped, or he just hired his friends for jobs they were grossly unqualified for. either way you slice it, doesn't scream leadership.
 
please define the leadership skills trump shows. that high of a turnover rate is always an indictment of leadership and their ability to hire and train people. if trump was the CEO president he said he was going to be then he's surely the shittiest interviewer of all time, easily duped, or he just hired his friends for jobs they were grossly unqualified for. either way you slice it, doesn't scream leadership.
I am mainly concerned with the bottom line and Trump got it done in style for the average American Citizen. Trump had deep state tools burrowed into his organization from day one unfortunately, so I do not hold all the turnover against him.
 
I am mainly concerned with the bottom line and Trump got it done in style for the average American Citizen. Trump had deep state tools burrowed into his organization from day one unfortunately, so I do not hold all the turnover against him.
Into his organization. HIS. ORGANIZATION.

party of personal responsibility strikes again
 
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We do not elect a potus because of him being either a nice guy or a D**K. We elect an individual for their positions on policies and leadership skills plus ability to actually get stuff done. Trump even with his shortcomings was able to get stuff done on an A+ level and it was stuff that helped the American People.
So it's ok for a President to be a morally repugnant sociopath as long as he cuts your taxes?
 
So it's ok for a President to be a morally repugnant sociopath as long as he cuts your taxes?
If he is conducting the nation's business, keeping his promises, and doing other stuff that I like then I am not worried about mean tweets and the other stuff libs get triggered over. It's real funny how yall throw a blind eye when the libs are literally committing treasonous activities to get themselves rich but you parse every word Trump uses to try and find lies. It's a joke honestly and you all know it too.
 
If he is conducting the nation's business, keeping his promises, and doing other stuff that I like then I am not worried about mean tweets and the other stuff libs get triggered over. It's real funny how yall throw a blind eye when the libs are literally committing treasonous activities to get themselves rich but you parse every word Trump uses to try and find lies. It's a joke honestly and you all know it too.
No, what I see is a thoroughbred ass licker who thinks that everything that corrupt megalomaniac does is perfect and anointed by higher beings, while at the same time, demonizes every single member of the opposing party as being nothing but irredeemable demon spawn. Do you ever consider that you're out of balance?
 
Yup ... he is quite possibly the most successful failure in human history.

Of course ... its easy to come out a winner when you have a $250M head start.


Its unfortunate though (and I know we disagree and that is fine) because from a policy perspective I mostly agreed with him ..... he is just awful .... just awful .... he has no redeeming qualities at all. Its actually quite amazing how awful Trump is.

We might agree on more than you think besides the imaginary culture issues that upset you 😅. But as long as you see him for the POS he is, I'm happy to give you a pass on that too haha

Classic example here
 
.... of ?

Card carrying Republicans since 1998, who has voted straight ticket Republican in every election he could except for 2016 and 2020 where he refused to voted for a manipulative morally devoid spineless charlatan?

Pretty sure that doesnt describe @dpic73
Exactly! He thinks y'all may have more in common than you think just because you hate the former president. They look at none of his policies as good, nothing he did was for America, he did not put America first and the country was left in terrible shape.

They can't get past the hate. (and yes I am one that thought he was a loud mouth jerk and needed to shut his pie hole), but it's funny how blind they are to policy.
 
Trump has his faults.

But at least he can complete a sentence with notes in front of him.
 
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Exactly! He thinks y'all may have more in common than you think just because you hate the former president. They look at none of his policies as good, nothing he did was for America, he did not put America first and the country was left in terrible shape.

They can't get past the hate. (and yes I am one that thought he was a loud mouth jerk and needed to shut his pie hole), but it's funny how blind they are to policy.
Before you twist your panties into a pretzel, I wasn't insinuating that I approved of most of Trump's policies and when he left office, the pandemic was raging out of control, unemployment had skyrocketed and America was more divided than we've been since the Civil War. So yes, he did leave us in a much worse place than when he started, this is true.

And sorry, but I don't trust the character of people who are rabid Trump supporters, especially ones who still support him after what we've witnessed since the election. That probably tells me more about you than anything else you could say - it just does.

But since PAWrocka has repeatedly demonstrated that he's willing and able to find common ground in the reasonable middle, I'm sure we could find plenty of things we could agree on. I'm sure he could probably even shape my perspective on some things we might see differently because I trust that he's a decent guy and is open to dialogue. And knowing that he doesn't support the most vile sub-species to ever hold office does play into the that trust to be sure. That at least tells me his number one concern isn't about owning the libs, as I believe he has sincerely held beliefs about policy that may differ from mine, but they aren't radical at least.

I have a couple really good friends who identify as Republicans and we get along great, though we still have arguments about politics from time to time. But I also know they'd never go along with the seditious, gutter level bullshit we've seen from Trumpublicans the last couple years. It's just my opinion but if you really think the election was stolen and you support Trump to this day, I don't believe you're someone who really cares about right and wrong. But I believe PAWrocka does care and that's the difference.
 
Exactly! He thinks y'all may have more in common than you think just because you hate the former president. They look at none of his policies as good, nothing he did was for America, he did not put America first and the country was left in terrible shape.

They can't get past the hate. (and yes I am one that thought he was a loud mouth jerk and needed to shut his pie hole), but it's funny how blind they are to policy.
Oh ... ok ... I follow you now

For me it wasnt the "loud mouth jerk" that drove me away, it made me *cringe* for sure and the tweets ...OH the tweets were embarrassing ... but there were key moments that just disgusted me

- The infidelity - cheating on every single one of his wives, and with at least one known porn star ... that gave me pause. For the record ... I dont respect men who cheat on their wives. A man who cheats on his wife lacks integrity.

- Wearing faith as a prop - I understand and appreciate folks who keep their faith private, so I didnt mind that he refused to answer the question regarding his favorite bible verse (mine is James 1; 19 if folks are keeping score), but .... I kind of figured ... Trump didnt live a "Christian Life" (see above) ... but then ... when the BLM rioters set fire to the church across from the White House, Trump marches across the street and holds the Bible up as a prop. That disgusted me

- His attack on a Gold Star family - This is where he lost me in 2016. He went after a Gold Star family, and that is a hard stop NO... YOU DO NOT DO THAT. The only response that a politician can give a Gold Star family is to give their condolences and thank them for their sacrifice. Period. No other words are needed. AND sure sure sure that family was anti-Trump from the get go and were used as pawns by the DNC to provoke Trump into responding .... sure .... I understand that .... but it worked .... which makes his response even more egregious. He fell for it .... if he falls for that, what else would be fall for?

- Comments about the Military - I believe, with 100% certainty, that Trump has little to no respect for Military personnel. I believe he believes that our military dead wasted their lives and absolutely called them losers and suckers as reported in 2020. Also when General Mattis resigned in 2019, that gave me great pause ... I have 3 ex-Marine buddies (they were Marines, I was not) and all three of them love General Mattis ... to the point of it being strange. So when Mattis said what he said about Trump ... I listened.

- Loyalty to Him over Loyalty to the Constitution- Trump demands loyalty to him, not loyalty to the GOP, not loyalty to conservative principles and ideals .... and most importantly not loyalty to the Constitution .... he demands loyalty to "Him". Trump is not a King ... so when honorable men (Mattis and Kelly) resigned their positions, and Trump turned on them by calling them first disloyal and then RINOs and then members of the "Deep State", it just furthered my disgust for Trump.
 
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Before you twist your panties into a pretzel, I wasn't insinuating that I approved of most of Trump's policies and when he left office, the pandemic was raging out of control, unemployment had skyrocketed and America was more divided than we've been since the Civil War. So yes, he did leave us in a much worse place than when he started, this is true.

And sorry, but I don't trust the character of people who are rabid Trump supporters, especially ones who still support him after what we've witnessed he's done since the election. That probably tells me more about you than anything else you could say - it just does.

But since PAWrocka has repeatedly demonstrated that he's willing and able to find common ground in the reasonable middle, I'm sure we could find plenty of things we could agree on. I'm sure he could probably even shape my perspective on some things we might see differently because I trust that he's a decent guy and is open to dialogue. And knowing that he doesn't support the most vile sub-species to ever hold office does play into the that trust to be sure. That at least tells me his number one concern isn't about owning the libs, as I believe he has sincerely held beliefs about policy that may differ from mine, but they aren't radical at least.

I have a couple really good friends who identify as Republicans and we get along great, though we still have arguments about politics from time to time. But I also know they'd never go along with the seditious, gutter level bullshit we've seen from Trumpublicans the last couple years. It's just my opinion but if you really think the election was stolen and you support Trump to this day, I don't believe you're someone who really cares about right and wrong. But I believe PAWrocka does care and that's the difference.
I don't think you can read or comprehend very well, and I don't have time to explain to you, but I never said you approved of any policies, I stated the exact opposite!
 
Trump has his faults.

But at least he can complete a sentence with notes in front of him.
Heard the latest?
"Sanctions were not meant to deter"!

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I don't think you can read or comprehend very well, and I don't have time to explain to you, but I never said you approved of any policies, I stated the exact opposite!
Do you comprehend anything really? You were insinuating that the only reason I could find common ground with him was because he hated Trump and I outlined why that wasn't the only reason. Comprende?
 
Trump has his faults.

But at least he can complete a sentence with notes in front of him.
You've obviously have never noticed Trump's assault on the English language. Most 6th graders are far more articulate.
 
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Oh ... ok ... I follow you now

For me it wasnt the "loud mouth jerk" that drove me away, it made me *cringe* for sure and the tweets ...OH the tweets were embarrassing ... but there were key moments that just disgusted me

- The infidelity - cheating on every single one of his wives, and with at least one known porn star ... that gave me pause. For the record ... I dont respect men who cheat on their wives. A man who cheats on his wife lacks integrity.

- Wearing faith as a prop - I understand and appreciate folks who keep their faith private, so I didnt mind that he refused to answer the question regarding his favorite bible verse (mine is James 1; 19 if folks are keeping score), but .... I kind of figured ... Trump didnt live a "Christian Life" (see above) ... but then ... when the BLM rioters set fire to the church across from the White House, Trump marches across the street and holds the Bible up as a prop. That disgusted me

- His attack on a Gold Star family - This is where he lost me in 2016. He went after a Gold Star family, and that is a hard stop NO... YOU DO NOT DO THAT. The only response that a politician can give a Gold Star family is to give their condolences and thank them for their sacrifice. Period. No other words are needed. AND sure sure sure that family was anti-Trump from the get go and were used as pawns by the DNC to provoke Trump into responding .... sure .... I understand that .... but it worked .... which makes his response even more egregious. He fell for it .... if he falls for that, what else would be fall for?

- Comments about the Military - I believe, with 100% certainty, that Trump has little to no respect for Military personnel. I believe he believes that our military dead wasted their lives and absolutely called them losers and suckers as reported in 2020. Also when General Mattis resigned in 2019, that gave me great pause ... I have 3 ex-Marine buddies (they were Marines, I was not) and all three of them love General Mattis ... to the point of it being strange. So when Mattis said what he said about Trump ... I listened.

- Loyalty to Him over Loyalty to the Constitution- Trump demands loyalty to him, not loyalty to the GOP, not loyalty to conservative principles and ideals .... and most importantly not loyalty to the Constitution .... he demands loyalty to "Him". Trump is not a King ... so when honorable men (Mattis and Kelly) resigned their positions, and Trump turned on them by calling them first disloyal and then RINOs and then members of the "Deep State", it just furthered my disgust for Trump.

I applaud you. I agree with all of this. Donald Trump is an absolute scumbag.

Where I diagree with @TigerGrowls and other about Trump is this, I don't want a scumbag representing me, or the country I live in even if I benefit from the results. The president is the image and representative of America throughout the world. While I'm not a huge Joe Biden fan, Donald Trump is a terrible person who is completely morally bankrupt.

How Christians can get past the fact that he said he hadn't ever asked for forgiveness from Jesus, because he didn't need to is shocking to me.
 
I applaud you. I agree with all of this. Donald Trump is an absolute scumbag.

Where I diagree with @TigerGrowls and other about Trump is this, I don't want a scumbag representing me, or the country I live in even if I benefit from the results. The president is the image and representative of America throughout the world. While I'm not a huge Joe Biden fan, Donald Trump is a terrible person who is completely morally bankrupt.

How Christians can get past the fact that he said he hadn't ever asked for forgiveness from Jesus, because he didn't need to is shocking to me.
You can't get past it? The prerequisite is being able to believe things that plainly couldn't have happened and skipping all the stories that make you have uncomfortable feelings.

peas and carrots
 
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Welcome to stagflation courtesy of China Joe and he is a morally repugnant person and a crime boss to boot which is why you guys supposedly hate Trump. Hope you dipshits are happy with yourselves.
 
Welcome to stagflation courtesy of China Joe and he is a morally repugnant person and a crime boss to boot which is why you guys supposedly hate Trump. Hope you dipshits are happy with yourselves.
😂There's a big difference between proof and propaganda Growlsy
 
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So it's ok for a President to be a morally repugnant sociopath as long as he cuts your taxes?
Bill Clinton is a god of the dem party, and if he is not worse than Trump from a morality perspective, he is certainly no better.
 
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I applaud you. I agree with all of this. Donald Trump is an absolute scumbag.

Where I diagree with @TigerGrowls and other about Trump is this, I don't want a scumbag representing me, or the country I live in even if I benefit from the results. The president is the image and representative of America throughout the world. While I'm not a huge Joe Biden fan, Donald Trump is a terrible person who is completely morally bankrupt.

How Christians can get past the fact that he said he hadn't ever asked for forgiveness from Jesus, because he didn't need to is shocking to me.
Neither has biden asked for forgiveness from Jesus. Did you vote for him?
 
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.... of ?

Card carrying Republicans since 1998, who has voted straight ticket Republican in every election he could except for 2016 and 2020 where he refused to voted for a manipulative morally devoid spineless charlatan?

Pretty sure that doesnt describe @dpic73
So you didn't vote in the last two elections?
 
Neither has biden asked for forgiveness from Jesus. Did you vote for him?

Biden is a lifelong Catholic who goes to Mass every week. Trump is a completely fake Christian who has only been in a church when politically expedient.

I honestly don't care if the President is a Christian. I do care if the President is completely faking it in an insulting way.
 
Biden is a lifelong Catholic who goes to Mass every week. Trump is a completely fake Christian who has only been in a church when politically expedient.

I honestly don't care if the President is a Christian. I do care if the President is completely faking it in an insulting way.
This is not the same position as your other post, but it does clarify.
 
Bill Clinton is a god of the dem party, and if he is not worse than Trump from a morality perspective, he is certainly no better.

Dude. Clinton has an issue with keeping it in his pants.

Clinton however didn't cheat many small businesses and sue them to avoid paying them, he didn't go bankrupt multiple times.

Clinton was a poor kid who through hard work and being really freaking smart put himself through law school and was a Rhodes scholar. Trump was millionaires life who never had to work hard at anything, and what work he did he failed at fairly miserably.
 
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This is not the same position as your other post, but it does clarify.

My position in relation to Trump and religion is that he faked being Christian for a religious vote. He had no idea about the bible, didn't even understand that the single most important idea of Christianity is knowing you are a sinner and asking Jesus to forgive you for your sins and be your Savior. Trump claimed he had no sins and didn't need Jesus to forgive him.

I have non-issue with a Muslim who lives according to his religion, no issue even with an atheist, I have an issue with someone being a blatant fraud
 
Dude. Clinton has an issue with keeping it in his pants.

Clinton however didn't cheat many small businesses and sue them to avoid paying them, he didn't go bankrupt multiple times.

Clinton was a poor kid who through hard work and being really freaking smart put himself through law school and was a Rhodes scholar. Trump was millionaires life who never had to work hard at anything, and what work he did he failed at fairly miserably.
Clinton was also elected twice and besides the blowjob, was generally respected by both parties. He also believed in democracy.
 
Dude. Clinton has an issue with keeping it in his pants.

Clinton however didn't cheat many small businesses and sue them to avoid paying them, he didn't go bankrupt multiple times.

Clinton was a poor kid who through hard work and being really freaking smart put himself through law school and was a Rhodes scholar. Trump was millionaires life who never had to work hard at anything, and what work he did he failed at fairly miserably.
Right, and lets just ignore the fact he has been accused of rape by more than one woman. Also he used his position as the most powerful man in the world to seduce a college age employee who was half his age as the next in his long list of conquests for the serial adulterers- All while posing as a Christian.
It's one thing do get drunk at a bar and do something you regret. While not acceptable in any way, it is still vastly different from an entire life of planned deception and immoral behavior.
I'm not defending Trump, he is a terrible human, but Bill and Hilary are scum as well. Their only goal was to accumulate power and wealth through politics.
 
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Before you twist your panties into a pretzel, I wasn't insinuating that I approved of most of Trump's policies and when he left office, the pandemic was raging out of control, unemployment had skyrocketed and America was more divided than we've been since the Civil War. So yes, he did leave us in a much worse place than when he started, this is true.

And that’s all solely on Trump, right?

lol
 
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