Where is Joe Biden?
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Do not fret my friend. IF she receives the “nomination”, there’s still plenty of time to replace with her a more viable candidate.
#everyvotematters
I also believe this plan to replace Biden didn’t just hatch up after the debate, this was the plan for at least the past year. They could’ve removed Biden before the primary season so their voters could’ve had a say in their nominee, but IMO they didn’t want them to have a say. I’m no big Trump fan myself. I wish he wouldn’t have even ran this election… just moved on and let others in the party take it . But at the same time I’m hopeful that enough people in this country see through the hypocrisy and the outright lies of the Left claiming to be the ‘party protecting democracy’ (which I always knew was bullshit), and then pulling what they just did, which is the complete opposite of protecting anyone’s vote or democracy. If they won’t protect the rights of the Democrat primary voters why should anyone believe they give two flips about protecting the rights of Republican voters? That dog won’t hunt.
Oh!!! 100% “this” was the plan. I vividly remember posting and chatting about this exact scenario when Biden announced he was running and I and others were told by some on this board that would never happen ….. I have tried to search for the thread, but I can’t find it …. way too many posts with the words “Biden” or “replacement” in them to effectively sort through.
I totally understand people not voting for Trump AND I even understand voting for Harris over Trump, but I don’t understand how those on the left can just gloss over and ignore that they were lied too, duped, and down right ROBBED of their rights. Like I said earlier, Dems just pulled off some dictator level BS and the response is “naw … I’m happy”. Buuuuut of course what else are they gonna say?
I love that you are so so so sure of the "facts". Joe Biden has shown no indication he would step down. The man is power hungry. Your disaster of a party sets the precedent that you can just pull the primary elected candidate b/c you are getting your butt kicked. Not a good look.
You believe this is the only place he operates?
He recites a script non stop, has multiple handles here, etc.
Absolutely… I heard a recent video AOC put out on this whole Biden situation. And she said that she had been in closed door meetings (long before the primaries) where players in the Dem party had proposed trying to stop Biden from running for another term, and those people were shouted down by bigger players in the party. She said these same people are now the ones that forced Biden out. Why didn’t they force him out a year ago? Interesting
Look the Dems can do what they want.. it’s their party and nothing surprises me anymore. But I just watched Schumer and Jeffries give a news conference endorsing Kamala… and one of the things Schumer said is that they still have to protect Democracy in this election. Are you serious? Are you kidding me? Lol … I guess this is what nauseates people on the right at the moment… the same party that for 3.5 years have used the J6 Capitol riot (it wasn’t an insurrection or coup) to brand themselves as the protectors of Democracy pretty much just pulled a silent coup on their Dem nominee, and as of today leaders of their party are still repeating that lie. You couldn’t make this stuff up it’s so crazy …
dont hold your breath mollie. Besides , people are too busy chanting lock him up at the harris rallies.
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I'm not sure what you are saying here... We have primaries for President every four years. People run against their fellow Democrats and Republicans all the time and MILLIONS of people vote for candidates that don't win. The candidates that drop out release their delegates so that they can back the winner at the convention and the party is then united. This year alone, millions voted for Haley instead of Trump (even after she stopped campaigning). Haley threw her support to Trump after calling him unfit for office and running on that platform. Yet when she released her delegates and backed Trump, I didn't hear a peep out of you when that happened. What about them? The fact of the matter is that this happens all the time and is business as usual. The only difference here is that it was the front runner that bowed out and will presumably release his delegates to Harris.
stop … you know exactly what I’m saying and comparing what happened to just another election where a candidate dropped out is INCREDIBLY dishonest. You’re better than that.
If it was a plan all along, the Democrats just pulled off some next level politics and the Republicans got caught slippin. Deal with it.
Bitch all you want about undermining Democracy (as if any Trump supporter can make a good faith argument on the preservation of Democracy), but there is absolutely nothing undemocratic, unfair, unethical, immoral, or illegal about this.
Biden is not obligated to stay in the race for any reason. He chose to withdraw. Y'all don't get to arbitrarily rule on which reasons for withdrawing are acceptable and which ones aren't. It's entirely up to Joe Biden. Once he made his decision, the Democrats made theirs. Just like a Republican to think they have a say in someone else's house.
It was the plan all along for Joe to look like a demented moron and then drop out right before the election to pave the way for the only person in DC with lower poll numbers than him? You dems are playing that 5d chess!! 😃 🤓
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No it's not... he dropped out, just as happens in every election. And just like every election the candidate is going to release his delegates and they will be able to vote for whomever... presumably Harris. Just like Haley did and no one said a word.
The fact of the matter is, that this IS different b/c it's to Donald Trump's disadvantage. So while you didn't give a crap about it before because Haley's doing it HELPED Trump, you do now, b/c Trump not being helped. And that's the bar the current Republicans seem to have... Rule of Law, Rules, Good and Bad... they all mean nothing. Because whatever helps Trump is the right thing and everything else is wrong.
1) it absolutely is
2) No it doesn’t
3) I can’t stand Trump so whether it helps or hurts, I don’t care.
These last two posts from you in this thread have been incredibly dishonest. Sooooo I’ll leave with either “good troll” or “do better”. You can pick which you’d like.
So how is it different? What's the difference between those millions of Haley voters that voted for her to be the Republican nominee and are now going to be for Trump whether they like it or not and those who voted for Biden and are now going to be for Harris whether they like it or not.
How am I being dishonest? I'm just pointing out what happens all the time every single time we have an election. Take 2019. Bernie Sanders ran for the nomination vs Biden. He got about half the delegates that Biden did and even won a few states. ALL those delegates were released by Sanders and went to Biden. Ditto in 2015... Cruz, Rubio, and Trump all had lots of folks voting for them, but Cruz and Rubio all released their delegates.
Joe did not willingly drop out of the race. He was forced out by other top dem players. He VERY recently said he had no intentions of dropping out. That is the difference. No one went to NH and forced her not to run - that is the difference.
This an assumption or it is reported somewhere?
I'm trying to figure something out, maybe you can help me.
Did Joe drop out for health reasons or because he was going to lose? Did he ever state why he was dropping out?
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I’m sure there was some stated reason in his letter, but in the true way of politics we’ll never know exactly why. I’m sure he will do an exclusive at some point and give reasons. But it’ll still be politics. Like with everything else in real life, I’m sure it was multiple things.
Did his health spur on the conversation? It’s not hard to believe that’s true.
Would he possibly have stayed in the race even after getting covid were he way ahead in the polls? Not hard to believe that’s true too.
Also not hard to believe that maybe he rewatched the debate or something and saw what a lot of us saw.
I personally get frustrated when people say unequivocally it was X reason and because X said X, etc. When we weren’t there. There aren’t even reports that I’ve seen. It’s all guesses and frequently the guesses completely lack nuance. Life is complicated and so I’m wary of simple. But simple/straightforward is a lot easier to campaign against or complain about so it is what it is.
How can you "personally get frustrated" after the debate? We all saw it together, live, with our own eyes. We WERE there.
If you think Joe dropped out for any other reason than dementia you are LYING to yourself. Of course he is not going to come out and say it because that would mean that he would have to quit the rest of his term and he doesn't want to destroy his legacy like that. He is putting his ego in front of the country. And a weak Kamala is letting him do it.
It's honestly sad that you believe what you just wrote. You know unequivocally why Joe Biden dropped out. Joe did not drop out because his policies were exceptional and had full support. Joe did not drop out because he passed a cognitive test.
My prediction is that democrats will not win until they come clean with the American people and start being honest with themselves.
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It feels like you're arguing against a position I don't have, or something I am not saying. None of what you said is at all what I'm saying.
I get personally frustrated when people make absolute declarations about things they do not know. As if they were there. Yes, we all watched the debate. But did he pull out during the debate? No, he did not. Is it highly likely the debate performance and cognitive issues plain to see were a huge if not deciding factor? Yes.
But we do not know the reason HE decided to drop out. For all we know, he could've had a clogged toilet, and decided he didn't want to have to deal with white house toilets for 4 more years. Or Jill could've begged him. Or he was really truly struggling with covid and his family/friends/staff used it to convince him he should just step down and how he felt at that moment convinced him. I have zero doubt that after the debate performance those around him absolutely wanted him to drop out due to what we all saw. But we don't know why he made his eventual decision. He could feel he had a bad night on the debate, is still sharp as a tack or whatever, and his reason had more to do with his age and physical health.
But you keep doing you, not admitting when you're even innocently wrong, and thinking everyone who doesn't think exactly what you think in a moment is an idiot or being dishonest.
What a load of crap... Sure, Democrat were calling for him to withdraw from the race. Absolutely. That's a BIG difference from forcing him. How exactly does one walk into the White House and force the President to do something? Can powerful Democrats not support him? Again, Absolutely. Can they tell him that he should withdraw? Absolutely? Can they force him to do so? Absolutely not. You don't HAVE to support anyone just because they are in your party, just like the Democrats don't HAVE to vote for Biden as the party nominee. And Biden didn't HAVE to step down.
There's a LOT SIMPLER answer here. The calls for him to step down were for one reason. The people calling for him to do so didn't think he could win. Biden stepped aside for one reason. Because he didn't think he could win.
