Reading more about this one, this story is insane. His democratic opponent filmed a campaign ad outside of his private residence and went public with it. Talk about dangerous measures to win elections.........goodness gracious. This is what happens when you frame a large number of Americans as domestic threats and the enemy of democracy before telling everyone where to find him.More political violence only this story you literally have to run an extensive google search to find. Bullet a mere few feet from his sleeping children........is it time to label the entire left as violent extremists and domestic terrorists?
Shots fired at GOP candidate Pat Harrigan's North Carolina home
A bullet landed just a few feet from where Pat Harrigan's children were sleeping during the shooting on October 18 in Hickory during a heated campaign with his Democrat rival.www.dailymail.co.uk
“Where is Nancy?”
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The only problem with this story is that it doesn't name a suspect nor is there any way to prove it was related to politics. Do we know if it was a hunter, a couple drunk yahoos or someone randomly shooting at the house that may not even know who lived there? If it was politics related, it's awful and I hope they are found and punished to the fullest extent of the law, but without knowing who did it, you're just speculating that it was a politically motivated Democrat.More political violence only this story you literally have to run an extensive google search to find. Bullet a mere few feet from his sleeping children........is it time to label the entire left as violent extremists and domestic terrorists?
Shots fired at GOP candidate Pat Harrigan's North Carolina home
A bullet landed just a few feet from where Pat Harrigan's children were sleeping during the shooting on October 18 in Hickory during a heated campaign with his Democrat rival.
Wait, what????? So Pelosi let the Police in? Pelosi didn't flee when they showed up? What is happening........this story just gets weirder and weirder
Sounds like Paul Pelosi was trying to calm a very obviously mentally upset attacker down and de escalate the situation. Not sure what I would have done in a similar situation, but I'm also not in my 80's and awakened from a deep sleep to a hammer wielding attacker.
Paul Pelosi attack video released. Here's how the assault on Nancy Pelosi's husband unfolded
Court records and statements by prosecutors and police have painted a detailed account of the hammer attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband, Paul Pelosi.
www.usatoday.com
Are you alleging a cOnSpIrAcY Jake? Paul wanted to have his skull fractured with a hammer and didn't want to be taken to safety? It's sickening the lengths you MAGAs will go to in order to flip the narrative and make it suspicious.
He answered the door for the police and walked back in to his house. There is no conspiracy, especially not a crazy MAGA right wing one which this proves.
You certainly wouldn't have walked back into your house after the police showed up and removed you from the dangerous situation.Sounds like Paul Pelosi was trying to calm a very obviously mentally upset attacker down and de escalate the situation. Not sure what I would have done in a similar situation, but I'm also not in my 80's and awakened from a deep sleep to a hammer wielding attacker.
Paul Pelosi attack video released. Here's how the assault on Nancy Pelosi's husband unfolded
Court records and statements by prosecutors and police have painted a detailed account of the hammer attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband, Paul Pelosi.www.usatoday.com
Or, maybe he felt that the dude was calmed some and was trying to avoid violence in a situation with an obviously mentally disturbed guy.
Not sure what you are trying to prove here? Dude came to attack and hurt Nancy Pelosi, he was pretty obviously upset my right winded rhetoric, which is evidenced by the stuff he was saying, and has said to the police.
No, what this proves so far is all we've seen from media and the police is bad information. That's what this proves. This paints an entirely different narrative.
We have no clue what was said to police as we haven't seen the transcripts, the video, body cams etc.
The police had statements in the article I posted above and corroborate what has been said.
to be fair, anything the police say after an event like this typically ends up being wrong
case in point: any school shooting, or mass shooting, or unarmed POC being shot
But what are you trying to allege? That Paul wanted to have his head cracked open? Sounds like they were struggling over the hammer at the time he opened the door.
From the FBI Criminal Complaint:
"At 2:31 a.m., San Francisco Police Department (“SFPD”) Officer Colby Wilmes
responded to the Pelosi residence, California and knocked on the front door. When the door was
opened, Pelosi and DEPAPE were BOTH holding a hammer with one hand and DEPAPE had his
other hand holding onto Pelosi’s forearm. Pelosi greeted the officers. The officers asked them
what was going on. DEPAPE responded that everything was good. Officers then asked Pelosi
and DEPAPE to drop the hammer"
Depape also told them:
"In a Mirandized and recorded interview of DEPAPE by San Francisco Police Department Officers, DEPAPE provided the following information: a. DEPAPE stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell DEPAPE the “truth,” he would let her go, and if she “lied,” he was going to break “her kneecaps.” DEPAPE was certain that Nancy would not have told the “truth.” In the course of the interview, DEPAPE articulated he viewed Nancy as the “leader of the pack” of lies told by the Democratic Party. DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other Members of Congress there were consequences to actions. DEPAPE also explained generally that he wanted to use Nancy to lure another individual to DEPAPE."
You're getting crazier Jake - SMH
I support Millionaire and Billionaire politicians who became rich after they were elected and continue to "invest millions" into the market! Those people are pure and certainly have the people's best interest. They are amazing at taking $200k salaries and turning them into millions! We need more of those people in DC. That's leadership.Don’t care which side you are on, going to a politician’s home with a hammer in the hopes of hurting them (or worse) isn’t a healthy political climate. Whoever eggs on the crazies on both sides should be held responsible as well.
Suspect Who Attacked Paul Pelosi in His Home Was Reportedly Looking for House Speaker: 'Where Is Nancy?'
CNN reports that the intruder confronted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband asking about her before attacking him with a hammer and attempting to tie him up "until Nancy got home"www.yahoo.com
Those are the real business leaders with a proven record at running things!
And then there is this spectacular human being out there...
chicago.suntimes.com
Perhaps we'll at some point stop politicizing the fact that our culture is sick as hell and we do not value life any longer. We also just look the other way when it comes to mental health of people in our society. In short, we don't give a damn about our fellow humans any longer. We have glorified violence and abandoned the moral code that is the secret to human prosperity and emotional well being! This isn't a right or left issue. This is a problem we all must face and address.
North Side man charged with sending GOP gov hopeful Darren Bailey voicemail death threat: ‘I know where his kids sleep’
Illinois State Police say Scott Lennox left Republican Darren Bailey a voicemail threatening to “mutilate and kill” him. “This went above and beyond anything that is acceptable, even in the realms of political discourse,” Cook County Circuit Court Judge Susana Ortiz said. “It simply will not be…
chicago.suntimes.com
Perhaps we'll at some point stop politicizing the fact that our culture is sick as hell and we do not value life any longer. We also just look the other way when it comes to mental health of people in our society. In short, we don't give a damn about our fellow humans any longer. We have glorified violence and abandoned the moral code that is the secret to human prosperity and emotional well being! This isn't a right or left issue. This is a problem we all must face and address.
Good stats on the bias in media ......
and NBC pulled the story .......the plot continues.
www.dailymail.co.uk
NBC News PULLS report that Paul Pelosi did NOT say he was in danger
NBC News has pulled a bombshell report that claimed Paul Pelosi did not tell responding police officers that he was in danger just before he was injured in a hammer attack at his home.
LMAO at good stats from this biased, right-wing publication. Both of these events are terrible but are you intentionally ignoring the differences?Good stats on the bias in media ......
Suspect 1 - Angry about about a constitutional right being taken away, takes a cab to the justices house, has an unloaded gun and calls the cops on himself. No one is hurt. What else is there to say besides he's crazy and suicidal?
Suspect 2 - Angry about right-wing disinformation and lies, breaks into the Speaker's house with a hammer, kidnaps her husband and plans to hold him with zip ties until she returns, but then then tries to kill him with a blow to the head when the police arrive.
One was angry about something real, the other was angry about something fake. Do you seriously not see why one would get more coverage than the other?
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Sounds like Paul Pelosi was trying to calm a very obviously mentally upset attacker down and de escalate the situation. Not sure what I would have done in a similar situation, but I'm also not in my 80's and awakened from a deep sleep to a hammer wielding attacker.
Paul Pelosi attack video released. Here's how the assault on Nancy Pelosi's husband unfolded
Court records and statements by prosecutors and police have painted a detailed account of the hammer attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband, Paul Pelosi.www.usatoday.com
To clear this totally up a few years back Professor Gates was asked by the responding police to step outside to which he became aggressive and abusive
The police responded very rationally and reasonable
Obama said the police acted stupidly
Move forward to today
If the police had followed good practices they would have had Mr Pelosi step outside the house and then searched the house keeping all persons separated
Obama was one nail in the coffin of police work
If procedures had been followed there would be a very small story here
The news pulling the story and concealing the tapes and evidence indicate clearly a coverup as I have heard from many sources this was a male prostitute and John love fight.
Waiting to hear more evidence
It's funny how no matter what the national story is, you have your sources LOLOL. Now that we know you have "sources" in the male prostitute community in San Fran, is there anything else you'd like to reveal? Interesting that you coincidentally posted this right after Tucker's segment. But I'm sure it is just a coincidence.
PS - you're a POS for spreading this LIE
welllllll....why not release the footage of the breakin and police body cams? i mean that's an iron clad way to end any issues, because when the story changes multiple times that tends to be what happens.
its literally that easy, so whats the holdup
its literally that easy, so whats the holdup
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There are no differences, this is the problem with America right now. Those two things are the same.
Just like the below is the same as being an election denier, but you'll massage and normalize this too in order to position your own narrative.
um....not that i'm against abortion personally, but please point out where thats mentioned in the constitution. libs just say sht like that repeatedly and think that somehow makes it true. and in a total surprise it somehow got by the fact checkers every time it was written in the media.
Thanks for linking me to this essay. I sincerely hope if author received an F- on it. While true Hitler systemically sought out and eliminated opposition parties and competing ideologies (to include fellow socialists and especially communist), his was absolutely and irrefutably a socialist government by any and every definition of the word.
And I too have read Marx's Das Kapital and Rand's We the Living. So too did the murdering megalomaniac this pathetic essay mentioned. What's your point?
This nonsense about left wing and right wing is just a political and media tool to stir the pot among the masses. The reality is political ideologies are multidimensional, not linear. But if they were linear, wouldn't it make more sense to have the opposite ends be the complete absence of government (anarchy) and total government (socialism/communism) at opposite ends? You can decide for yourself which one's left or right. I myself want only just enough government to preserve/protect individual freedom. Which in and of itself is a bit of a conundrum, since the very existence of government is synonymous with force, and force is the antithesis of liberty.
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Just for your being educated about me a bit for the record I do not follow Tucker and prefer The Money Honey in the morning and the Fox and Friends morning show
Rare occasion I watch anything on Fox from 6 PM to 6 AM
As to you describing me as a Piece of Shit
I want to thank you for your honesty on saying what you think you feel
Name calling is a huge sign of a weak argument and a weak mind
You have called out both
Now with that said please consider the many reasons that Paul Pelosi having left the danger turned around and walked back into the danger
Consider why the police did not follow standard procedures
There is a stink here but it is not me
And again Pelosi under any circumstances deserve to be hit in the head with a hammer
My family and I have been put into possible harms way in several occasions recently and I took the exit and removed mysel from the situation
There has to be an explanation why Pelosi opened the door and left the perp and then turned around and walked back to the hammer wielding guy
Maybe he was under the influence of drugs or maybr confused by dementia
Again the police should have intervened
This is really a stinky smelling situation
As considered in the words of Mr. Piece of Shit
Clean up your mouth and maybe one day you will be considered a credible person
Were the Nazis Socialists?
We look into the burning (at least for some) question of whether members of the National German Socialist Workers' Party were accurately classified as "socialists".
www.snopes.com
Ok fine - Kavanaugh never came into contact with the accused and was not in the hospital undergoing brain surgery.
The defendant wasn't radicalized by an ex-President and his media enablers and was sitting in a jail cell.
What else could you say about it that would lend itself to extensive news coverage?
If it walks like a POS and talks like a POS, it's a POS.
If you would have just read the thread, the answers to your questions were already posted. Mr Pelosi answered the door with his left hand, while holding on to one end of the hammer with his right hand, struggling for control with the perpetrator who was also holding his forearm. That's a bit different from the poisonous pablum you regurgitate from the media sources you unwisely trust.
From the FBI Criminal Complaint:
"At 2:31 a.m., San Francisco Police Department (“SFPD”) Officer Colby Wilmes
responded to the Pelosi residence, California and knocked on the front door. When the door was
opened, Pelosi and DEPAPE were BOTH holding a hammer with one hand and DEPAPE had his
other hand holding onto Pelosi’s forearm. Pelosi greeted the officers. The officers asked them
what was going on. DEPAPE responded that everything was good. Officers then asked Pelosi
and DEPAPE to drop the hammer"
Anyone with common sense understands the right-wing echo chamber is throwing sh*t against the wall to distract from the fact that they are complicit in the radicalization of a large portion of the population, by filling their heads with lies and disinformation to protect their Orange goose. You are complicit as well by participating in those same lies about the election and Mr Pelosi on this board. If you really want us to believe that you're a good and moral person, you wouldn't participate in this dark charade. Because if you do, you are by default a POS.
The right to privacy is protected by the Constitution and the court ruled that abortion fell under that amendment.
Roe v. Wade (1973)
"The Supreme Court case that held that the Constitution protected a woman’s right to an abortion prior to the viability of the fetus."
Roe v. Wade (1973)
"In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in Roe v. Wade recognized that the decision whether to continue or end a pregnancy belongs to the individual, not the government. Roe held that the specific guarantee of “liberty” in the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which protects individual privacy, includes the right to abortion prior to fetal viability.
Since Roe, the Supreme Court has repeatedly reaffirmed that the Constitution protects for abortion as an essential liberty, which is tied to other liberty rights to make personal decisions about family, relationships, and bodily autonomy."
Roe v. Wade - Center for Reproductive Rights
The landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling recognizing the right to abortion.
reproductiverights.org
He wasn't radicalized by a president who said he would circumvent the Roe ruling and who publicly attacked the Supreme Court? Really?
Can you point me to the moment where Joe Biden said that the protests at SCOTUS homes were horribly wrong and people would be arrested if they didn't leave? I don't think you can, but I can point you to the Press Secretary saying that protests are a part of democracy.
The right to privacy is protected by the Constitution and the court ruled that abortion fell under that amendment.
Roe v. Wade (1973)
"The Supreme Court case that held that the Constitution protected a woman’s right to an abortion prior to the viability of the fetus."
Roe v. Wade (1973)
www.law.cornell.edu
"In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in Roe v. Wade recognized that the decision whether to continue or end a pregnancy belongs to the individual, not the government. Roe held that the specific guarantee of “liberty” in the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which protects individual privacy, includes the right to abortion prior to fetal viability.
Since Roe, the Supreme Court has repeatedly reaffirmed that the Constitution protects for abortion as an essential liberty, which is tied to other liberty rights to make personal decisions about family, relationships, and bodily autonomy."
Roe v. Wade - Center for Reproductive Rights
The landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling recognizing the right to abortion.
i can say this, i was wrong to phrase it the way i did because it is fair to describe it as the removal of a constitutionally protected right as you stated. opinions are worth sht if you can't own up when you're in the wrong. ironically i wrongly interpreted the statement as suggesting a change to the constitution rather than it addressing an interpretation of the constitution which, when its the interpretation of the supreme court, defines an issue being being protected or unprotected by it.
Moving the goalposts again, I see. Your original argument was that it should have received the same amount of coverage as the Pelosi attack. I laid out why I didn't think it should and asked you how the circumstances leant themselves to extensive coverage.
Your response suggests that Biden radicalized him, even though Biden doesn't sit on the Supreme Court SMH.
Then you asked if Biden denounced it, completely circumventing your previous argument WTF?
Biden condemns actions of armed man arrested near Kavanaugh's home, supports increased security for justices
Biden condemned the actions of the armed man arrested near Kavanaugh’s Maryland home Wednesday morning.
we
You really need to take a deep breath and a break from this site.
I applaud your passion and desire on your engaging in freedom of speech
I just believe in civility and well thought out factual analysis as much as possible.
I think we diverge at that point.
You really need to take a deep breath and a break from this site.
I applaud your passion and desire on your engaging in freedom of speech
I just believe in civility and well thought out factual analysis as much as possible.
I think we diverge at that point.
You call the attack on Mr. Pelosi a gay lovers spat gone bad and a coverup and think that's a civil way to address the attack? You're lying and slandering the man because you engage with corrupt media and you want to distract from the fact that you and your party radicalized him with misinformation.
I responded with factually accurate information and your response is that I need to take a break? LOL
You're the one that lied AGAIN. Maybe you should apologize and take a break from this site if you're averse to the truth.
Snopes...lol...Were the Nazis Socialists?
We look into the burning (at least for some) question of whether members of the National German Socialist Workers' Party were accurately classified as "socialists".
I am not sure if it is funny or sad that one can be so blinded by what they want to believe that they can commit some 400 plus words to describe a socialist government as "right wing" by citing as evidence any and everything EXCEPT the way one governs....inasmuch as socialism is an actual form of government and all....
Were the Nazi's also socially conservative? I don't know. Maybe. One would have to compare it to the moral values of other countries at the time. I dare say they were more likely be progressive in their world view, but I don't have a good handle on the moral climate of Europe in the late thirties. I am certainly not going to trust Snopes to tell me that. I have read extensively on WWII and Hitler's rise to power. Perhaps one of the best books on the topic is William Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Great book. I have read it three times, cover-to- cover and came away learning something new each time. Bonhoeffer – Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy is likewise an amazing read. And of course, The Diary of a Little Girl (Anne Frank's Diary) was absolutely heart rending. Despite what has been spun elsewhere, the Nazi's were fiercely anti-religous; which by most accounts should disqualify they from being deemed conservative.
Were they fascist? Yes. Of course they were...like many/most forms of socialism (which includes communism).
Were they totalitarian? Yes, it's a requirement of any socialist government. (also diametrically at ods with conservativism). Producers do not freely give to moochers and looters in perpetuity without at least the threat of force.
Great retort. Care to elaborate?
I am quite aware that I might well be wrong. Only a fool truly believes he has grasped all there is to know about a topic. The more I learn, the less I know.
So, do please enlightenment me as to what I am blinding myself to about Nazism not being a "right wing" ideology.
I submit that Hitler was an anti-religous, progressive socialist. That's three clear strikes against being on the "right" of the political spectrum.
Your move.
i apologize for attempting to express my point of view in a factual and civil manner to a person I am finding that his vocabulary is limited to derogatory words to be used against people who disagree and I also apologize for inspiring your overuse of the word in any form lie, lying, liar, etc. as I am hoping that it can be toned down and only used when direct association can be made to the subject as desired.
I will be looking forward to Wednesday to take that break. Go Red Wave!
