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dpic73 said:
I guess if you support suppressing black votes, wrongfully arresting blacks for a political stunt, signing bills to suppress discussions of race and homosexuality, mandating college students state their political affiliation and hiring an anti-science surgeon general are good policies, then Florida just might be right for you too. I think they're insidious and contemptible but that's me. I'm just letting you know why Democrats will be highly motivated to send that POS packing.

Also, scientists think his COVID policies were horrific and contributed to 82,000 deaths but as long as he gave them the middle finger, all good. Pffttt

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Scientists pan analysis Florida's surgeon general posted on COVID-19 vaccines

Vaccine experts say Florida's surgeon general's analysis that warns COVID-19 vaccines increase the risk of cardiac-related deaths in young men is misleading.
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The most disgusting thing he did was require cruise ships to take unvaccinated passengers during the height of the pandemic - a move that could have contributed to massive outbreaks that would have prevented them from docking. It also could have wrecked their reputation

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Ron DeSantis Forces Cruise Ships to Take Unvaccinated Passengers

Remember when denying wedding cakes to gay people was about freedom?
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The vaccines don't prevent the spread of Covid, stated very clearly by Pfizer themselves. You might want to walk that comment back. Actually, you might want to walk back the other covid comments as well. Continuing to use the same narrative you tried to use during the 2020 election is just not going to work given all of the hindsight and new data out in late 2022.

There is just no chance Desantis can be worse than this guy......

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Meanwhile, big pharma (this while Pfizer is north of $100b in revenue) -
 
jakefest said:
The vaccines don't prevent the spread of Covid, stated very clearly by Pfizer themselves. You might want to walk that comment back. Actually, you might want to walk back the other covid comments as well. Continuing to use the same narrative you tried to use during the 2020 election is just not going to work given all of the hindsight and new data out in late 2022.

There is just no chance Desantis can be worse than this guy......

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I'm not interested in having another thread on COVID but I swear some of you only hear what you want to hear and nuance completely escapes you. Yes, you can still contract the virus when vaccinated, but the vaccine still makes it less likely that you'll contract it and if you do, it will resolve in a shorter period of time. Which means if all the passengers on a cruise ship are vaccinated, there is a much smaller chance of a significant outbreak. It also means there will be less stress on the ship's medical staff. It just makes sense that during the height of the pandemic, cruise ships would want to ensure passengers safety as much as possible. Cruise ships are notoriously susceptible to outbreaks due to the number of people packed in tight quarters. You freedom lovers oddly don't mind it when a Repub gov wants to regulate industry as long as it owns the libs. It was a despicable requirement, and you know it.

Also, ridiculous comparison to suggest Biden is worse because he wants oil companies to stop making windfall profits on the backs of consumers. One person was mandating something that could get people killed, one wasn't. Your whataboutisms are so friggin lame.
 
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dpic73 said:
I'm not interested in having another thread on COVID but I swear some of you only hear what you want to hear and nuance completely escapes you. Yes, you can still contract the virus when vaccinated, but the vaccine still makes it less likely that you'll contract it and if you do, it will resolve in a shorter period of time. Which means if all the passengers on a cruise ship are vaccinated, there is a much smaller chance of a significant outbreak. It also means there will be less stress on the ship's medical staff. It just makes sense that during the height of the pandemic, cruise ships would want to ensure passengers safety as much as possible. Cruise ships are notoriously susceptible to outbreaks due to the number of people packed in tight quarters. You freedom lovers oddly don't mind it when a Repub gov wants to regulate industry as long as it owns the libs. It was a despicable requirement, and you know it.

Also, ridiculous comparison to suggest Biden is worse because he wants oil companies to stop making windfall profits on the backs of consumers. One person was mandating something that could get people killed, one wasn't. Your whataboutisms are so friggin lame.
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You have your head so far in the sand you can see China without digging.

Get your mental toughness up over the next few weeks. Going to be a tough November for you.
 
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jakefest said:
You have your head so far in the sand you can see China without digging.

Get your mental toughness up over the next few weeks. Going to be a tough November for you.
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I am going to love the next two years and then I am going to marvel after that when conservative values smack down the perversion we have suffered over the last few years from the Democrats and left elitest
 
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PalmettoTiger1 said:
I am going to love the next two years and then I am going to marvel after that when conservative values smack down the perversion we have suffered over the last few years from the Democrats and left elitest
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I suspect there will be a good many incidents of violence and carnage, just like when Trump was elected in 2016 which is bad for the country. It's a real shame that the nation is so divided these days.
 
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jakefest said:
The vaccines don't prevent the spread of Covid, stated very clearly by Pfizer themselves. You might want to walk that comment back. Actually, you might want to walk back the other covid comments as well. Continuing to use the same narrative you tried to use during the 2020 election is just not going to work given all of the hindsight and new data out in late 2022.

There is just no chance Desantis can be worse than this guy......

Biden on big oil -
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Meanwhile, big pharma (this while Pfizer is north of $100b in revenue) -
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i'm torn on his O&G comments. on one hand, it's global markets causing the price of oil to rise so dramatically, and being that shell/exxon/etc are all private businesses they're just doing what they should in a capitalist society.

on the other hand, 2022 will probably be the most profitable year any of these companies have seen in a LOOOOOOOOOONG time. instead of issuing buybacks to reward shareholders (and their own pockets), they should be funneling those profits into R&D and capex for additional refineries specifically focused on light crude refining.
 
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PalmettoTiger1 said:
I am going to love the next two years and then I am going to marvel after that when conservative values smack down the perversion we have suffered over the last few years from the Democrats and left elitest
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Conservative values? You mean Trump family values like lying, conspiracy theories, Christofascism and owning the libs? That's what I call letting the inmates run the asylum and I expect we'll see a rejection of those values come 2024. Enjoy the clown show while you can.
 
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jakefest said:
Strange that they are being treated differently, no?
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I don't know. Is there a reason one was charged with a federal crime and the other wasn't? Find the answer to that and let me know, unless you just believe it's a cOnSpIrAcY
 
jakefest said:
I suspect there will be a good many incidents of violence and carnage, just like when Trump was elected in 2016 which is bad for the country. It's a real shame that the nation is so divided these days.
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iceheart08 said:
Look in the mirror man. Wild, with your views and post history, that you believe you are above this somehow. Wild.
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No I am not above the fray as I admit I stepped into the shitstorm with the rest of the folks

Just saying that I work at being reasonable or so I think that of myself

I just find that people even when faced with hard facts will deflect and completely try to spin the facts to some bizarre end result

For example not matter how much people suffer from the Trump Derangement Syndrome there was not one shred of evidence linking him to foreign governments however with both Joe and Hunter Biden and Hillary and her staff there was smoke and fore everywhere

The treatment of them by the FBI and DOJ is a disgrace to America as was the mistreatment to Trump

The impeachments will go down as the worse of American Politics and a stain on Democracy by the Democratics

Then if course you are probably a Democratic Political Operative


But then you cannot admit that or can you

I will admit bad behavior when I see it

Looking forward to the Red Wave and the Supreme Court to smack down Systemic Racism disguised as Affirmative Action

Equality means equality and not carve outs

So I can now laugh on the political aerobatics you will engage in to defend an offensive policy to Latino and Asian Americans being discrimanated against along with slapping European Americans in the face.

Since I responded have at it.
 
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PalmettoTiger1 said:
No I am not above the fray as I admit I stepped into the shitstorm with the rest of the folks

Just saying that I work at being reasonable or so I think that of myself

I just find that people even when faced with hard facts will deflect and completely try to spin the facts to some bizarre end result

For example not matter how much people suffer from the Trump Derangement Syndrome there was not one shred of evidence linking him to foreign governments however with both Joe and Hunter Biden and Hillary and her staff there was smoke and fore everywhere

The treatment of them by the FBI and DOJ is a disgrace to America as was the mistreatment to Trump

The impeachments will go down as the worse of American Politics and a stain on Democracy by the Democratics

Then if course you are probably a Democratic Political Operative


But then you cannot admit that or can you

I will admit bad behavior when I see it

Looking forward to the Red Wave and the Supreme Court to smack down Systemic Racism disguised as Affirmative Action

Equality means equality and not carve outs

So I can now laugh on the political aerobatics you will engage in to defend an offensive policy to Latino and Asian Americans being discrimanated against along with slapping European Americans in the face.

Since I responded have at it.
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I've literally said dozens of times on this board that I'm a democratic political operative. But I'm still more objectively reasonable than you are.

It's wild that you don't see the framing and "facts" in your post as the exact thing you continue to decry.

You are so deep in the forest you can't see the sky or the trees.
 
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iceheart08 said:
I've literally said dozens of times on this board that I'm a democratic political operative. But I'm still more objectively reasonable than you are.

It's wild that you don't see the framing and "facts" in your post as the exact thing you continue to decry.

You are so deep in the forest you can't see the sky or the trees.
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So says the blind man to the one eyed man
 
iceheart08 said:
I'm done arguing over the Nazi nonsense. It's fundamental dishonesty based on raw politics. But carry on.

The notion that the Dem party platform is a socialist one is an equally dumb statement, not based in reality whatsoever. Nevermind that actual elected officials don't pay attention to the party's platform. Want me to go through the nonsense in the republican party platform?

You are objectively wrong on both of these fronts.
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I didn't really think there was an argument regarding the democrat party becoming more Socialist....I mean, even republicans are for goodness sake.
 
scotchtiger said:
You think the mayor of a small town has the chops to lead the free world? He’s a well-spoken guy, but there is nothing on his resume that indicates he’s capable of such a role.

And lol at the “evil” rhetoric. He’s a bit of a populist, but Desantis isn’t evil. And he didn’t say he’d grab girls by the poosay. And he didn’t sleep with porn stars. And he doesn’t have a history of shady business dealings. And he isn’t as verbally abusive as Trump.

Yale, Harvard law, JAG. He has the pedigree and intelligence. He may win the gov race in a purple state by double digits.

I know plenty of women who are turned off by Trump because of what he represents. Even fathers of daughters who feel the same. None of that sentiment applies to Desantis. The reaction from those in the middle will be completely different.
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A decent man or a bully? Our pick for governor | Editorial

Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis faces Democrat Charlie Crist in the Nov. 8 election
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Paw Pad said:
Boy that endorsement really changed my mind. A newspaper endorsing a Dem ( sort of). That is such a shock!!!
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You wouldn't change your mind if he put Disney employees heads on a stick.

The article wasn't meant for you. I was just showing Scotch the article because it restates everything I was saying yesterday.
 
dpic73 said:
You wouldn't change your mind if he put Disney employees heads on a stick.

The article wasn't meant for you. I was just showing Scotch the article because it restates everything I was saying yesterday.
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You are right, I wouldn't change my mind. I don't like high gas prices; high inflation; open borders; higher taxes; crime; no bail ; etc. Other than some of those the Dems are great. NOT
 
WapPride said:
i'm torn on his O&G comments. on one hand, it's global markets causing the price of oil to rise so dramatically, and being that shell/exxon/etc are all private businesses they're just doing what they should in a capitalist society.

on the other hand, 2022 will probably be the most profitable year any of these companies have seen in a LOOOOOOOOOONG time. instead of issuing buybacks to reward shareholders (and their own pockets), they should be funneling those profits into R&D and capex for additional refineries specifically focused on light crude refining.
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Why in the world would O & G companies commit enormous capital on new refineries when the potus and dem party have made it clear they want to end the use of oil/gas by almost any means possible? Who knows what kind of radical restrictions or regulations they would pass if they gained enough control in both houses.
No way in the world would I be committing those recourses when they openly threating to get rid of your product.
 
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You are right, I wouldn't change my mind. I don't like high gas prices; high inflation; open borders; higher taxes; crime; no bail ; etc. Other than some of those the Dems are great. NOT
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Funny you think the clown show you're voting in will change any of those things.
 
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i'm torn on his O&G comments. on one hand, it's global markets causing the price of oil to rise so dramatically, and being that shell/exxon/etc are all private businesses they're just doing what they should in a capitalist society.

on the other hand, 2022 will probably be the most profitable year any of these companies have seen in a LOOOOOOOOOONG time. instead of issuing buybacks to reward shareholders (and their own pockets), they should be funneling those profits into R&D and capex for additional refineries specifically focused on light crude refining.
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They have to reward shareholders or shareholders don't reward them. I was involved in prepping the quarterly earnings reports for a large public company until 2020 and the harsh reality is public companies live quarter to quarter and answer to the largest shareholders. That essentially restricts long term strategy in lieu of quarterly return and quarterly value. Some companies are better at longer term forecasting than others but there is a great deal of pressure at board level on short term growth.

I don't disagree with your points on R&D and reinvestment but if the near term mandate from government is EV's and green energy, would you sink large amounts of R&D capex/opex into oil or hold money back to invest in green energy once there is a clear picture and future direction?

At some point, Exxon will have to pivot and that's going to cost them a ton of capital and a run on their share price. It's the same exercise Sales Force and SAP had to undergo to pivot from deployed software to centralized as a service. Would love to say they are gearing up for that pivot but also know they will be under pressure to return value to their shareholders.

Last point is they've had a rough 5 year stretch and were taken out of the S&P index for poor performance (XOM that is) . Tough to really judge them for raking in profits.
 
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Why in the world would O & G companies commit enormous capital on new refineries when the potus and dem party have made it clear they want to end the use of oil/gas by almost any means possible? Who knows what kind of radical restrictions or regulations they would pass if they gained enough control in both houses.
No way in the world would I be committing those recourses when they openly threating to get rid of your product.
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Elaborate? If you’re talking the removal of various leases and wells on public land, that’s a nothing burger.




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They have to reward shareholders or shareholders don't reward them. I was involved in prepping the quarterly earnings reports for a large public company until 2020 and the harsh reality is public companies live quarter to quarter and answer to the largest shareholders. That essentially restricts long term strategy in lieu of quarterly return and quarterly value. Some companies are better at longer term forecasting than others but there is a great deal of pressure at board level on short term growth.

I don't disagree with your points on R&D and reinvestment but if the near term mandate from government is EV's and green energy, would you sink large amounts of R&D capex/opex into oil or hold money back to invest in green energy once there is a clear picture and future direction?

At some point, Exxon will have to pivot and that's going to cost them a ton of capital and a run on their share price. It's the same exercise Sales Force and SAP had to undergo to pivot from deployed software to centralized as a service. Would love to say they are gearing up for that pivot but also know they will be under pressure to return value to their shareholders.

Last point is they've had a rough 5 year stretch and were taken out of the S&P index for poor performance (XOM that is) . Tough to really judge them for raking in profits.
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No I completely get it, and any publicly traded company’s first responsibility is to their shareholders. Exxon/shell/etc are already dumping hundreds of millions into pyrolysis and plastics recycling, but no one is proposing building new light crude refineries. 2018 would’ve been a good year to shuffle some funds there since that was a very good profit year for O&G, but I also understand why they didn’t since they had like 8 years of losses/limited profits prior.

it’s just a weird situation that I wish our leaders would do more to combat. We clearly need more refining capacity, but the only thing everyone harps on is production. I was hoping when trump was in office he’d entice O&G companies to develop more refineries, but it never happened. I wish dems did a better job explaining the value of increasing refining capacity while also explaining how they want to continue working towards green solutions, but voters are dumb and I imagine they don’t want to alienate the environmentalists who only read headlines.
 
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Elaborate? If you’re talking the removal of various leases and wells on public land, that’s a nothing burger.





No I completely get it, and any publicly traded company’s first responsibility is to their shareholders. Exxon/shell/etc are already dumping hundreds of millions into pyrolysis and plastics recycling, but no one is proposing building new light crude refineries. 2018 would’ve been a good year to shuffle some funds there since that was a very good profit year for O&G, but I also understand why they didn’t since they had like 8 years of losses/limited profits prior.

it’s just a weird situation that I wish our leaders would do more to combat. We clearly need more refining capacity, but the only thing everyone harps on is production. I was hoping when trump was in office he’d entice O&G companies to develop more refineries, but it never happened. I wish dems did a better job explaining the value of increasing refining capacity while also explaining how they want to continue working towards green solutions, but voters are dumb and I imagine they don’t want to alienate the environmentalists who only read headlines.
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Totally agree on Trump and 2018. Do you have any metrics on the profitability of running a refinery (will save me a google search)? Wonder if it's an ROI issue?
 
jakefest said:
Totally agree on Trump and 2018. Do you have any metrics on the profitability of running a refinery (will save me a google search)? Wonder if it's an ROI issue?
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i can see what i can find, but nothing off hand. mainly refinery profitability is driven by 2 factors: market price of the refined product (whatever you're making - be it diesel, avfuel, petrochemical products, etc), and the cost of the raw crude coming in. US refineries are at a disadvantage since we extract light crude locally, but practically no US plants are designed to process light crude. our refineries are all designed to process heavy crude since that was what OPEC, SA, etc extract and we were at their mercy until the fracking boom of the mid 2000s. we can process the light crude we generate domestically, but it's inefficient and the cost per barrel to refine is increased by a pretty noticeable factor.

it's a double edged sword though since it costs US refineries more to produce light crude products (read: fuel sources), but the cost to produce heavy crude products (asphalt, plastics, etc) is dramatically lessened. this works out great for gulf chemical industries, but kind of sucks for domestic fuel production.
 
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More political violence only this story you literally have to run an extensive google search to find. Bullet a mere few feet from his sleeping children........is it time to label the entire left as violent extremists and domestic terrorists?

www.dailymail.co.uk

Shots fired at GOP candidate Pat Harrigan's North Carolina home

A bullet landed just a few feet from where Pat Harrigan's children were sleeping during the shooting on October 18 in Hickory during a heated campaign with his Democrat rival.
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