No, I hear ya, but it's still more believable than your opinion of "a level of evil most people aren't capable of".
⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️
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So WAYNE FRICKS did it ?!?!?!This is the type of “hit men” you find in most bars in smal SC towns. Read the whole thing.
Wayne Fricks 2 Life Terms
Clipping found in The Greenville News published in Greenville, South Carolina on 5/4/1976. Wayne Fricks 2 Life Termswww.newspapers.com
Debatable in my mind, but ok.
Hey, I’m with you on part of that, I think.
I haven’t put it on here but I keep telling my wife that the hit squad crowd is looking in the wrong place. Forget the Beaches. Forget the grandfather and all that ridiculousness.
They need to be looking at that law firm. Does a partner gain something here? Who is screwing who’s wife. Who feels slighted? Who didn’t get a fair slice of some pie? Who actually has contact with someone that might do something like this?
Or the kid. Did he piss off a bunch of thugs somehow? Deal gone wrong or something.
That’s not me, though. I don’t buy any of that. None of that passes the no danger to the public test. I’ve made my opinion clear.
They didn’t forget.
Does anyone really think that it didn’t occur to anyone in a building full of lawyers that they needed to get to the kid’s apartment ASAP?
They knew full well that SLED would eventually go collect and catalog the apartment. And they know that they can’t hide behind the “ongoing investigation” smokescreen forever and the FOIA requests would eventually be granted and everything they found would be made public.
So they sent someone to Columbia pronto and they cleaned out the apartment.
They gathered up every electronic device from the Fitbit to the computer(s) and everything in between. Then they hauled out any porn, alcohol, drugs and anything else I’m not thinking of that could be embarrassing to the family.
Then they walked out and left the door open on purpose. Probably wide open.
If they get lucky someone goes in and ransacks the apartment and steals a bunch of stuff. But they need it to be documented. Don’t want someone to just pull the door shut.
It would not surprise me if they called it in themselves. Police respond, make a report and close the door.
When questions arise, it’s simple. “You found the door open, right? I guess someone stole everything.”
There is the little issue of security cameras at these complexes but I’d imagine it’s a risk/reward calculation. Plus they are accustomed to being invincible so I’m sure they feel they can handle that too.
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Wow 13 pages of mostly speculation.
Raymond Reddington was called to straighten out a few things
Have t agreed with all of your takes, but this is absolutely plausible.
And all for 10 bucks a month.
Hard to do anything but speculate when SLED and other law enforcement give you nothing. This is one of the most ridiculous investigations I’ve ever seen.
As I said earlier in this thread, a former SC Sherriff literally said "its Hampton and Colleton counties, you can find somebody pretty easy who'll do anything for a few thousand bucks."This is the type of “hit men” you find in most bars in smal SC towns. Read the whole thing.
Wayne Fricks 2 Life Terms
Clipping found in The Greenville News published in Greenville, South Carolina on 5/4/1976. Wayne Fricks 2 Life Terms
whatever Earle we all know you were there when it happened. Can’t fool me!
That would mean someone would tell all for a few thousand, or $20,000 or say $50,000 bucks, too.
Zero chance you pull off the hire of two killers of the type that would do anything for a few thousand bucks without a bunch of other people knowing.
So, where's the reward?
Something else I haven't seen mentioned:
Are we supposed to believe that two bad guys walked onto this property holding long guns? There's no way somebody would've been sneaking on foot onto the property holding a shotgun. They would've had handguns. If bad guys did come onto the property with long guns, they would've driven up the driveway in a vehicle. And that did not happen.
Are we supposed to believe that two bad guys walked onto this property holding long guns? There's no way somebody would've been sneaking on foot onto the property holding a shotgun. They would've had handguns. If bad guys did come onto the property with long guns, they would've driven up the driveway in a vehicle. And that did not happen.
It’s not even two weeks old yet.
Hiring local people would be dumb as hell.....if it was a hired killing the assassins are long gone and not from these parts
I don’t mean any harm but Im afraid this is kinda like the legend of child molesters getting whacked in prison. Usually when people hire someone to kill someone else, it’s their ex-con gardener or something.
Exactly. Hiring local would be dumb and it would just be a matter of time before someone talks.
Same reply. Someone they already have contact with and just a matter of time.
New information released today was they have no new information
The most ridiculously redacted release of two week old reports of all time.
Why bother?
Yes that is true because most people are stupid.....but if his father or grandfather had anything to do with it then they are smart enough to hire outsiders.....BTW Jeffery Dahmer got whacked in prison
Yes. But how do outsiders clear the no danger to the public hurdle that I have so much trouble with?
Do they have surveillance of a car speeding off and then again on 95 heading south? Where is the grainy photo and the nationwide hunt? - so strike that.
Did they leave a message? “Payback is a bitch. We’re out of here.” Signed by an Atlanta gang.
I guess that works. Barely. But pretty stupid.
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Interesting that the cousin in Cola was recently raped, and that Walterboro is a hotbed of violent drug activity. Timmy seems like the kind of fella who gets wrapped up with the wrong crowd and has enough upfront cash to get into deep trouble.
www.fitsnews.com
‘King Of Five Points’ Arrested As Part Of Massive Drug Bust In Columbia, South Carolina
Could a rash of recent date rapes in this college town be the focus of city police's
www.fitsnews.com
Excuse me. What about walterboro,SC?!?!? LolInteresting that the cousin in Cola was recently raped, and that Walterboro is a hotbed of violent drug activity. Timmy seems like the kind of fella who gets wrapped up with the wrong crowd and has enough upfront cash to get into deep trouble.
‘King Of Five Points’ Arrested As Part Of Massive Drug Bust In Columbia, South Carolina
Could a rash of recent date rapes in this college town be the focus of city police's
SLED releases redacted reports in murder case of Paul and Maggie Murdaugh
Just days after The Post and Courier sued for an incident report of a high-profile double homicide in Colleton County, the State Law Enforcement Division released 18 pages of supplemental
Heavily redacted reports….🧐😒 You don’t say. LOL!!!!
Paul killed his mom and dad killed Paul. Sorry, this things already their dirty freaking hands all over it.
Maybe if they wouldn’t lawyer up, deny everything and cover everything, people would maybe feel bad for them.
That’s why all men are not created equal in our legal system.
Common theme in this thread is that we are entitled to know everything the investigators have learned and are thinking/following up on. Not intended to flame you or any of the others upset about this, but I genuinely don't know the protocol. When a murder/double murder/etc occurs, are the authorities required by law/statute to disclose details about their investigation to the public? I honestly do not know. If someone would please weigh in with answers, that'd be very very cool. Do you know, @MKOTiger?
The ability for the public to receive and or examine governmental documentation is permitted under FOIA ( the Freedom of information Act). However, the release of such information (under section 7 A of FOIA) cannot impede normal governmental operations. Just like all governs laws that are considered limiting or taking citizens right, there has to be a compelling governmental interest to restrict individual rights and the governmental action must be the least restrictive to accomplish the purpose.
In the case, FOIA permits the disclosure of SLED documents. However, SLED may delay the distribution of the material if the disclosure would reasonably be deemed to interfere with ongoing police investigations or the potential of prospective police proceedings. In this case, the release of current information regarding the investigation (whichwill almost certainly be used in future litigation) could, and likely would, be deemed to reasonably interference with current and future police investigations. Until those investigations are complete (and someone charged), it is doubtful that the investigation materials will be released under FOIA.
BTW, courts have upheld the delay of release of investigative information under FOIA for years while investigations continue. Until someone is changed, I would not expect the formal release of any investigative materials. That being said, SLED can and probably will release limited information it chooses as the investigation proceeds.
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There does seem to be a little to gain from the reports:
Officers start arriving and basically processing the scene. They start writing reports, collecting evidence and stringing yellow tape.
I don't see any indication of any urgency. I mean, there are two people lying on the ground still bleeding and no one is looking for the killers?
Did the cops not clear the house, guns up? Was there no concern that the killers were hiding inside? It's only a few hundred yards away and I'm sure it was lit up. Maybe the killers got trapped on the property - saw some lights coming and took off down a hunting trail. Even in a targeted hit from professional outsiders, how would the officers have so much certainty that the killers aren't stuck down a trail and one hell of gun battle is about to happen?
Did they not put a helicopter up and FLIR the property. Or for that matter the surrounding area?
It's very rural and suddenly cars and cop lights are flying in from everywhere. Maybe the killers hid down another dirt road. No concern for that? No helicopter spotlight or FLIR? I'll bet a hot truck sitting down a nearby dirt road would be pretty interesting.
Did they set up road blocks or check points? Did they even bother to call adjacent agencies and put them on the lookout?
None of this seems to have happened so what in the name of police work did they find that convinced them to not even look for anyone in the immediate aftermath? And moreover, compelled them to issue a no danger to the public statement?
So now it's not just the statement but the actions, too.
Murder / Suicide seems most likely but if the multiple gunshots to both victims report is true then the most likely scenario would be Murder / Third Party (and maybe not so justified).
Those are the only two things that make sense to me at this point.
And the cover up.
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It seems to escape most on here that IF there is no threat to the public, it's basically none of anyone's business what is or is not going on.
Family is in tune and involved/informed about the investigation I would imagine.
It is interesting, for sure.
But all you people demanding answers is pretty bizarre and silly.
Family is in tune and involved/informed about the investigation I would imagine.
It is interesting, for sure.
But all you people demanding answers is pretty bizarre and silly.
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Serious question. How do you know they didn’t do exactly those things you are questioning? This is rural SC, it’s not like there are investigative reporters on every corner. I’m guessing the local newspaper has one reporter who is either a recent grad or somewhat elderly with 100 other jobs. And the news agencies in Augusta and Hilton Head didn’t find out about the incident until the following day.
I don't know anything factually. We'll start there. And to answer the poster above, it is interesting. If thousands of people get to speculate then I might as well too. I'm just trying to read the tea leaves.
Here are some of the leaves:
I believe this is the first officer to arrive on scene at 10:26pm.
Supplement Report By Daniel Greene Supplement Narrative Case #21-02008 Typed By Daniel Greene Synopsis: On June 7, 2021 at approximately 2226 hours I, Sgt. Greene responded to 4147 Moselle Rd in Colleton County in reference to two gunshot victims found by the caller. When I arrived on scene I found two individuals, Paul Murdaugh and Margaret Murdaugh, lying on the ground with apparent gunshot wounds I advised CCSO dispatch that the scene was secure for CCFR medics to come in to the victims. Investigators were already notified and responding to the scene. As other units arrived on scene, the crime scene was secured with crime scene tape and only essential personnel were allowed access. Dep. Pruitt started a crime scene log (see Pruitt s supplement). CID began arriving on scene shortly after my arrival and the scene was turned over to them. Nothing further to report at this time. End of report.
Here is another report from another officer:
On Monday June 7, 2021 I Dep. McDowell responded to 4147 Moselle Rd. in the Islandton area of Colleton County in reference to a shooting incident. Once on scene I helped Sgt. Greene establish a crime scene, located and marked shell casings with crime scene tape, and took a post on one side of the scene Once enough units arrived on scene I left and resumed my assigned road patrol duties. Nothing further
There are redactions in both of those reports that didn't copy and paste.
So speculation is what speculation is. But ... I advised CCSO dispatch that the scene was secure ... doesn't make it sound like those things were done but I certainly don't have all of the facts.
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The facts that are unsettling are the following and I'm not sure how the locals can reconcile these public details.
- Reports list this as a double murder (no mention of suicide)
- Officials stated that there is no risk to the public
- No arrests have been made
- Officials are now (after days of delay) asking the public for tips/information
- Unknown/unauthorized entry into Paul Murdaugh's apartment the day after the murders
It will most likely go down as another unsolved murder tied to this family.
So, you inferred all of that from “the scene is secure,” as opposed to “the scene is not secure and I need immediate back up.“. Saying the scene is secure simply means that there is no one running around the scene still shooting. It’s not an indictment to a cover up.
Wonder how many people in this thread are actually Law Enforcement Officers or Attorneys, or have just watched a jackload of CSI Episodes?
Well, I’m an attorney but I’m not a criminal attorney or prosecutor, so my opinion is only slightly more reliable than someone who recently stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
Thanks man. So if I read this correctly, this sentiment on here that SLED owes us all this information right now is BS? I mean, sure at some point, the FOIA will ensure we get some info, but in my mind, we are not entitled to get gobs of info from the investigation right now.
in the words of the esteemed Mr. Loaf, "you took the words right out of my mouth."
yeah, but but you're the only one I know for sure would have a plain ol' English explanation. Sorry.
