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⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️

The phone placed him at the house does it not?
No. Alex left the phone at the house and returned to the kennels. Paul's snapchat video confirms he was at the Kennels. He later calls Maggie's phone from the house. He took 59 steps with it to the golf cart. Road the cart to the main house. Got his phone at 2102 and called her phone at 2104. He jumps in his car and leaves by 2107.
 
Thanks, gentlemen!

As a husband of 20+ years and a father of two children, I just cannot for the life of me comprehend how someone could bring himself to gun down his wife and son. How does one have the capacity to even do something like that? To even so much as think about it? I then remind myself that for a very long time this world has had its share of agents who exhibit pure evil. Certainly. But ... some of the worst human beings on the planet won't gun down their own wife and son.

I see a lot of pieces here and they seem to point in one direction. Not all of the pieces, but a lot of them. Still ... I wish there were a bit more evidence. That'd make things a bit easier for those evaluating/judging here and I recognize that it's not always that simple. I get it.

Two Things: You may recall the drowning of her two small sons by Susan Smith with a motive allegedly related to a romance outside of her marriage. Also several years ago right here in my hometown, we had a well known respected attorney steal hundreds of thousands of dollars (gambling debts) from his clients. He was within twenty four hours of being exposed. He wrote a suicide note saying he did not want his wife to suffer the indignity ( she knew nothing of his stealing from clients according to her best friends) of his transgressions and killed her that night in bed. He turned the gun on himself immediately, taking his own life. There could be a similar mindset in either or both cases to AM's situation. Bottom line- INSANITY!
 
How about his brothers? Are they crooks too? He was calling them as soon as he left the house. Any reason to believe one or both came over to clean up the scene, grab the guns and clothes? Helping to cover up and not tarnish the family name? Were their phones checked for location, On Star, etc?
This is a question I have asked as well...

Apparently Buster had an alibi that checked out I am pretty sure
 
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Imagine getting 12 people to agree to anything

They technically can’t deliberate until the Judge has “given” them the case

I am sure there are a lot of internal “self-deliberations” going on

Some may convict or acquit on the same fact - it’s again a true study of the behavior of humans

Yes the will have access to ANY piece of evidence

They can also ask for any testimony to be repeated via court transcript (NOT the transcript itself but read to them)

This morning the defense asked if the jury can visit Moselle

He said yes as it is appropriate under the rules

so that will be a logistical hurdle but better than a crime scene in downtown Greenville

AM is hoping for at least one, obviously more, but one is all it takes

I cannot see a not guilty but who knows what these 12 individuals think or value in their minds
Thanks! Tremendous insight as always!
 
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I don’t see how anyone can’t at least have some doubt in the time of death. Which to this timeline means a crap load. Move the time of death just 10 min later and the data shows it’s almost impossible for him to do it.

I personally feel that the 59 steps, orientation, and all that could have been Maggie herself. What evidence is there to say it wasn’t? Without a finite time of death it’s hard for me to make that correlation. Or am I missing something? Checking armpit for temperature, what a joke. That’s a very big piece of this puzzle and I think there is more than reasonable doubt here.
 
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so todays summary this far

2 Defense experts say that both Maggie’s kills shots came from top of head - sort of helps prosecution

also say that Paul’s kill shot came from the top - which helps prosecution in one way

but they will argue that shooter would have been covered in EVERYTHING and possibly blowback pellets
 
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I know this guy is an expert witness, but I find it hard to believe a shotgun blast upwards from below the head wouldn't cause an explosive exit wound, yet a shotgun blast downward to the head less than a foot off the ground would have so much blow back that pellets would go backwards and lodge in the top of the door? WTF? But I've only caught bits and pieces so I may have heard wrong...
 
so todays summary this far

2 Defense experts say that both Maggie’s kills shots came from top of head - sort of helps prosecution

also say that Paul’s kill shot came from the top - which helps prosecution in one way

but they will argue that shooter would have been covered in EVERYTHING and possibly blowback pellets
shooters blood... shooters footsteps... too
 
He kills them at 8:49, strips, hose off near kennel and change. He had done all that before 8:53 when he picks up Maggie's phone. Wrap guns, get on golf cart and back to house. His phone moves at 9:02 and takes a shitload of steps, then he leaves at 9:06. Tight? Yes. But not tight to the point of being unreasonable or hard to fathom. It's the only plausible possibility.
Why didn’t Maggie’s phone register him moving? Or it being moved at anytime after locking

I assume his phone was locked as well while he was supposedly walking around
 
so todays summary this far

2 Defense experts say that both Maggie’s kills shots came from top of head - sort of helps prosecution

also say that Paul’s kill shot came from the top - which helps prosecution in one way

but they will argue that shooter would have been covered in EVERYTHING and possibly blowback pellets

Today is all about:

-Creating separation in jury’s mind from AM testimony

-Repaint the gruesome scene, allow Al-Al to show how devastated he is, and create the thought that “no way a father could do this” in at least 1 juror’s mind.
 
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I don’t see how anyone can’t at least have some doubt in the time of death. Which to this timeline means a crap load. Move the time of death just 10 min later and the data shows it’s almost impossible for him to do it.

I personally feel that the 59 steps, orientation, and all that could have been Maggie herself. What evidence is there to say it wasn’t? Without a finite time of death it’s hard for me to make that correlation. Or am I missing something? Checking armpit for temperature, what a joke. That’s a very big piece of this puzzle and I think there is more than reasonable doubt here.
You are missing the logical conclusion that can be taken given all the technical evidence presented about the phone usage and lack thereof, the lies AM has told about his presence there, and the numerous other bits of evidence that point to the time of death being most likely right after both phones show no activity and certainly no more than five minutes after. All the empirical evidence points to this. This is what the data has told us.
 
so todays summary this far

2 Defense experts say that both Maggie’s kills shots came from top of head - sort of helps prosecution

also say that Paul’s kill shot came from the top - which helps prosecution in one way

but they will argue that shooter would have been covered in EVERYTHING and possibly blowback pellets
I'm assuming the attention is to confuse and focus on the splatter. Otherwise why on earth are you providing new witnesses on the "last day" that completely refute your entire defense up until this point that no way AM could be the killer because he's 6'4" and couldn't have made that trajectory.

They are literally contradicting their own prior witness testimonies.
 
I'm assuming the attention is to confuse and focus on the splatter. Otherwise why on earth are you providing new witnesses on the "last day" that completely refute your entire defense up until this point that no way AM could be the killer because he's 6'4" and couldn't have made that trajectory.

They are literally contradicting their own prior witness testimonies.


Guess this answers it...
 
so AM drives by where Mags phone is found the following day and speeds away after initially slowing down. I mean, could it be any more clear he had the phone and tossed it....?
 
so todays summary this far

2 Defense experts say that both Maggie’s kills shots came from top of head - sort of helps prosecution

also say that Paul’s kill shot came from the top - which helps prosecution in one way

but they will argue that shooter would have been covered in EVERYTHING and possibly blowback pellets
I haven’t been able to watch any today, so thanks for the synopsis. What do you mean “from the top”? Meaning killer was standing over them?
 
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Check out Alex. Hakeem Pinckney in this video. Wish jury could see it.


Did Alex steal his money? IF so the jury may see this at the financial trials. I do not believe they will be able to plea those charges because prosecution is not gonna go below 25-30 years and guarantee you Alex thinks he can get it down say to say 10. He is gonna use the addicted to drugs excuse. He has already laid the groundwork for this. He has a plan.
 
I don’t see how anyone can’t at least have some doubt in the time of death. Which to this timeline means a crap load. Move the time of death just 10 min later and the data shows it’s almost impossible for him to do it.

I personally feel that the 59 steps, orientation, and all that could have been Maggie herself. What evidence is there to say it wasn’t? Without a finite time of death it’s hard for me to make that correlation. Or am I missing something? Checking armpit for temperature, what a joke. That’s a very big piece of this puzzle and I think there is more than reasonable doubt here.
That's exactly the defense strategy this morning. Raise reasonable doubt as to exact time of death due to coroner not employing use of rectal thermometer. And then of course muddying the water as to shooter's location and likelihood that there would have been lots of blood spatter on shooter and possible injuries. Had AM not lied so many times as to not being at the scene, I believe he'd easily be found innocent. My opinion several weeks ago remains unchanged -- AM is guilty (whether the shooter or he hired someone else) but one or more jurors who will hang this trial up.
 
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It fascinates me that people get hung up on motive, or the fact they can’t personally imagine someone killing family members. Is this the first time in recorded history that a man shot his wife and child?

Who knows what AM was thinking at the time, whether he planned it or something happened to set him off, but he’s boxed in on the timeline and his lies - he’s guilty.
Happens pretty frequently.....Husband killing wife, husband killing wife and kids, etc.
 
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WHY LET THIS YOUNG ATTORNEY BE THE FACE OF PROSECUTION TODAY?

this is WAYYYYYYY too important
LE and the prosecution have been almost totally inept. That’s why. Waters shot his wad Friday and except for the very end failed miserably. He isn’t playing well so they may be giving someone else the chance to be in front of the jury.
 
I'm assuming the attention is to confuse and focus on the splatter. Otherwise why on earth are you providing new witnesses on the "last day" that completely refute your entire defense up until this point that no way AM could be the killer because he's 6'4" and couldn't have made that trajectory.

They are literally contradicting their own prior witness testimonies.
thank you on a plane reading this and not able to watch. the top of the head was confusing how does a 5’2 person do that lol
 
Depends on the truck. Has to have an active OnStar account I believe.
They have is on star Dara
You are missing the logical conclusion that can be taken given all the technical evidence presented about the phone usage and lack thereof, the lies AM has told about his presence there, and the numerous other bits of evidence that point to the time of death being most likely right after both phones show no activity and certainly no more than five minutes after. All the empirical evidence points to this. This is what the data has told us.
Sure that’s what it leads to but I do not believe it removes all doubt. Just because Maggie’s phone tried to unlock but didn’t doesn’t mean it wasn’t her. My phone doesn’t always recognize me. I have to put in my code sometimes. I think most do or she went to unlock it and only looked at he time. To my knowledge there isn’t any evidence to discredit this. Those are assumptions.

I also like to think you feel the evidence has to show the doubt and that’s simple not how it works. No one has to present data that someone else was there for the jury to find doubt there. The states has to disprove doubt, the defense only has to create it by any means legally possible.
 
I'm assuming the attention is to confuse and focus on the splatter. Otherwise why on earth are you providing new witnesses on the "last day" that completely refute your entire defense up until this point that no way AM could be the killer because he's 6'4" and couldn't have made that trajectory.

They are literally contradicting their own prior witness testimonies.
Because he’s going to hammer time of death in his closing and sled lying about the blood spatter.
 
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