Boarder Wall and Immigrants

[tigrbybirth]

Here is a comprehensive list of all the victims (link below) of illegal immigrants! Look through this list and ask the families how they feel about open borders and people being in the US illegally and were these lives worth some ! This is a long verified list of victims that are people like you and me.

There are violent people here in the US legally which are always going to be part of any society, but we are spending money, time and resources chasing down undocumented, illegal immigrants that have no legal driver's license, no legal address, no legal social security numbers that have committed crimes....they can hide and be like ghosts. http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

There is another 15,000 person caravan starting up in Guatemala now.

Our elected politicians need to get together and come up with comprehensive reform......a wall/barrier in some locations, refine the process of becoming a US citizen ( it should be something that be valued and proud to have), refine work visas to improve documentation, verification of location, and termination, enforce e-verify and punish employers that hire illegals, deny access to schools, welfare, and healthcare to illegals.

Do you believe that American citizens are more likely to commit a crime, either violent or non-violent than an illegal alien? Statistical evidence has shown this to be true time and time again. Can you imagine how long that list would be if it was of victims from US citizens?

 

[Rychek4]

Do you believe that American citizens are more likely to commit a crime, either violent or non-violent than an illegal alien? Statistical evidence has shown this to be true time and time again. Can you imagine how long that list would be if it was of victims from US citizens?

The last stat I saw on the issue, to be specific, was that citizens are about 4 times more likely than illegal immigrants.

 

[Woody1405]

Trump allegedly co-authored a book called "Art of the Deal." He couldn't make a deal if his life depended on it. For two years he had both houses of congress in Republican hands. Did they fund the wall? No. Now he has the House of Representatives in Democratic hands. Their base strongly oppose the wall and this "moron in chief" doesn't understand why Pelosi opposes the wall.
Politics is the art of compromise. It is not I win, you lose. He needs to figure out what is the least he would except and what is the least the House of Representatives would accept, and therein lies a "deal." Apparently this is like rocket science to the great deal maker.
We may have reached a point where no deal can be reached and the Democrats know the shutdown is killing Trump. It will end with no deal when TSA workers in mass refuse to work for no pay and travel in the U.S. comes to an end.

 

[Rychek4]

TIt will end with no deal when TSA workers in mass refuse to work for no pay and travel in the U.S. comes to an end.

I believe this is the most likely scenario.

 

[1Clemson]

I believe this is the most likely scenario.

Worse case is a terrorist event- every level that is supposed to protect the US is now either unpaid or on furlough. I’m sure the unpaid workers are rested and fully focused after pulling their side hustle to put money on the table. Our enemies have paid attention to our mistakes and they capitalize on our weakness. The longer this goes on, the more I am convinced it ends very badly- not just for the economy.

We need adults on both sides, sadly there are very few if any and none actually in leadership positions.

 

[TigerGrowls]

With all the talk about the wall and immigrants I thought I would tell you a little story.

Jan 2 2000 I go to work and at the farm Herschel has brought in some Mexicans ( all illegal of course ).

One is 16 years old, cant speak English, hair 2x longer than Trevor and his tennis shoes were not laced up. Told him to lace up those shoes cause he was fixing to go through the gates of Hell.

Now I never picked up a shovel, wasnt my job, but this morning after I had pulled a yard to grade I was messing around with a shovel knocking down a couple of humps. This kid (Gerardo) takes shovel out of my hand. Told him then and there i was going to make something of him.

18 years later hes an American citizen ( that cost roughly 50k, he paid every dime of it). I made him hire my accountant and my lawyer. Today he has 2 crews and is grossing 450k a year in lawn service and he is one of the best at what he does here in Augusta.

Owns a 350k house, married with a beautiful 2yo boy.

Walked across that border in Arizona. Took him 5 days traveling at nite. Came here with nothing but clothes on his back. Saw his parents for 1st time in 17 years last year.

No one is saying that a lot of the people crossing illegally are not great people with incredible potential and good intentions. I am in full support of what President Trump is doing. We need a generous LEGAL immigration program and little to no illegal immigration. Illegal immigration even by the most conservative estimates is costing the American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars per year and there a lot of bad stories related to illegal immigrants. We cannot look at this issue emotionally because we get to know some of the illegals personally. I understand it, but this whole deal has to stop. Terrorists from all over the world are able to cross the southern border.

 

[1Clemson]

No one is saying that a lot of the people crossing illegally are not great people with incredible potential and good intentions. I am in full support of what President Trump is doing. We need a generous LEGAL immigration program and little to no illegal immigration. Illegal immigration even by the most conservative estimates is costing the American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars per year and there a lot of bad stories related to illegal immigrants. We cannot look at this issue emotionally because we get to know some of the illegals personally. I understand it, but this whole deal has to stop. Terrorists from all over the world are able to cross the southern border.

I agree that we should focus on how to ensure immigration is legal. Immigrants that come to the US to work in a needed area should be prioritized as opposed to those that simply have extended family or have connections (hi, Melania).

As for Trump, he is using a hammer on a problem that needs pliers- he is working at a real problem but will likely make it a bigger mess than when he started.

I would hesitate to use your arguments as they are mostly wrong based simply on facts.

Illegals perform billions of dollars of work that would not be done by most US citizens at pay rates that most US citizens would laugh at, resulting in billions of dollars of benefit to the US economy. Illegals working in the US under false names/IDs are actually paying taxes and subsidizing social security - they pay in under a false name and cannot collect future benefits. Many pay state and federal income taxes via paycheck under these false ID's but do not file for refunds. In effect they are screwing themselves for US citizen benefit.

The terrorists that have come to the US and have done any significant damage (911, Trade Center bombing, Boston, California, Shoe Bomber, Ft Hood, Oklahoma City, Orlando, any school shooting, etc) either:

1. were homegrown US citizens that were born here
2. legally came to the US through the US's international airports on valid passports.

I cannot remember a terrorist incident involving an illegal entering the southern border. There have been criminal events involving illegals, but generally less than similar criminal events by US citizens on a per 100,000 person basis (most illegals strictly follow the law, down to the speed limit, to avoid attracting law enforcement attention).

Based on facts, we should be:

1. focusing our efforts on stamping out homegrown terrorist groups and their ability to obtain heavy weaponry/explosives
2. finding ways to better screen legal entrants
3. replacing and streamlining our legal immigration laws to prioritize those that would benefit the US as a whole, not just for tech workers
4. removing any incentive to illegally enter and work in the US
5. developing a realistic process to deal with the past 40 years' failed policies for those that are already here- 100% deportation isn't the answer nor is 100% amnesty, need to be looking at net value (a 30 year illegal resident that has been fully employed and clean record should not be treated the same as a drug dealer or recent border crosser without ties to a community).