Calculated Hoax..
- Thread starter Cocks are Number 1
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This has always been incredibly simple. Old or unhealthy (comorbid, big fats) recommend vaccine to lessen chance of complication. Under 50 and healthy, get it if you want as it may lessen symptoms. No mandates either way.
The orthodoxy on either side are idiots. Guidance other than above is nonsense. The CDC should have hired me 18 months ago to clean up the messaging for everyone.
The orthodoxy on either side are idiots. Guidance other than above is nonsense. The CDC should have hired me 18 months ago to clean up the messaging for everyone.
WRT to the vax, the only thing that truly matters from a vaccine mandate standpoint is whether or not it blocks transmission. The COVID19 vax (apparently) does not. This should therefore not be on anyone's schedule for recommended vaccines save for those most at risk of severe adverse reaction.
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I'm trying to unpack your response here ....
What are you trying to say? That it should not be an individual choice as to whether or not you fear dying of COVID or suffering some near or long-term malady from the vaccine?
Because of if it does not block transmission (and therefore does not impose increased risk to others), then the decision to get the vaccine comes down to my own risk factors. And that should never be mandated. That point has to be clear, right?
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Swear to god, hearing that the virus could still be spread though vaccinated was the worst thing you anti-vaxxers could have ever heard. It does reduce the likelihood of transmission and helps you clear the virus more quickly, which also reduces the amount of time you are infectious. And laughing my ass off about a long-term malady, which is a figment of your right-wing brainwashing. COVID itself is far more likely to have long-term consequences. Your politics have overcome your ability to reason. SMFH
"We estimate that vaccination, prior infection, and both vaccination and prior infection reduced an index case’s risk of transmitting to close contacts by 24% (9-37%), 21% (4-36%) and 41% (23-54%), respectively. Booster vaccine doses and more recent vaccination further reduced infectiousness. These findings suggest that although vaccinated and/or previously infected individuals remain infectious upon SARS-CoV-2 Omicron infection in this prison setting, their infectiousness is reduced compared to individuals without any history of vaccination or infection."
To each their own. Go ahead and get ahead of the next wave and get a few more boosters.
Yes. And apparently, according to multiple GOP candidates in other states, NYC is a hellhole that humans can no longer survive in. We are doing fine by the way. And I don’t understand why senate candidates in other states like to talk about us so much.
Ok, cool. Get some more jabs. @nytigerfan and @dpic73- y’all are quite the pair of kindred souls or maybe the same posters. Regardless, the comedy is great.
If saving lives is the goal, then ban all processed foods, fast food, large drinks, bacon, donuts, etc. The lives saved from the decrease in deaths from heart/diabetes/blood pressure/etc over the next decade would dwarf the number of unvaxed lives lost to covid.
Remember when 4chan started rumors that the circle game was a symbol of white supremacy, with the sole purpose to see if progressives would be stupid enough to pick it up and go along with it, and they fell for it and still believe it to this day?
Well, I’m just saying, don’t give them ideas. Their batshit craziness knows no bounds
Who cares anymore? COVID is the flu now. The COVID vaccine is the flu vaccine. COVID isn’t even a topic in my house unless someone makes it one. We don’t worry about it or care about it.
I really don't care but it still rankles me that everyone on one side of the fence only hears what they want to hear. When they heard the virus could still be transmitted when vaccinated there was no nuance, no shades of gray in their minds. It was settled and it was black and white to them. But more than anything else, it was politically motivated nonsense to give themselves an excuse to not make Biden look better. Not that it would have made a difference as it turns out...
There is a lot of BS on both sides. Plenty of BS on the left made this worse for us all. I was dealing with vaccine mandates and restrictions, masks on planes, masks in NYC, PCR tests and all of that crap as recently as 4-6 months ago.
For the flu, and a flu-like vaccine.
It’s nonsense.
This isn't accurate. No matter how many times you say this it won't be any more accurate. No matter how condescending and nasty you get it won't make it any more accurate. Long term impacts from the vaccine at this time are largely unknown because it's a new technology and it's not been that long. For people who want to turn this into an annual shot, we really don't know the results. Further, it was very poorly tested before is was distributed. Questioning and scrutinizing data aren't bad things. We need a lot more legitimate scrutiny in all areas of our society.
The irony is you attack people for being brainwashed. You are one of the least curious people I know of when it comes to doing what you're told by your side. You are the perfect lemming. Sheeple of the Year candidate! Pot meet kettle. That's some rich stuff...even from someone like you.
I also work for a company that mandated we be vaccinated to come into the office and I travel for business and pleasure, so I experienced the same things that you did. No big deal at all and I supported the owner's decision. Not every variant has been just like the flu, so better safe than sorry.
Sick of your proselytizing Reverend and call me what you want, but it doesn't make me less smart than you because I trust scientists that have devoted their lives to public health more than I trust your self-belief that you are the oracle of truth. You don't know a damn thing about me other than what I allow you to know on here, so you have no idea about my education, what I read or what I know but I assure you that I'm smarter than you give me credit for. And I'm pretty sure you're dumber than your pretty but empty sermons convey.
Take your blood pressure meds and get back to underwriting the mortgages for the pig farms in your holler.
@Cocks are Number 1 obviously cares, because he started this thread about it on a Saturday. You obviously care, because you have posted in this thread several times. Should I go on?
I care about the restrictions, annoyance and inconvenience. Not about Covid itself. And I certainly can't imagine concerning myself with someone else's vaccination status.
I win!
YAY!You are always so clear when you don't know what to say and instead just turn to name calling. Yes, I called you a name too but only because it's accurate. Yours on the other hand...
FWIW to anyone else that reads this, I am not the oracle of truth. I trust in science that is backed by facts and results. You just seem to want to trust anything they say that suits your predisposed beliefs. There's a big difference there. That you don't see it is sad.
OK Cool, Hook 'em Rev 🤘I win!
You are always so clear when you don't know what to say and instead just turn to name calling. Yes, I called you a name too but only because it's accurate. Yours on the other hand...
FWIW to anyone else that reads this, I am not the oracle of truth. I trust in science that is backed by facts and results. You just seem to want to trust anything they say that suits your predisposed beliefs. There's a big difference there. That you don't see it is sad.
I win!
You are always so clear when you don't know what to say and instead just turn to name calling. Yes, I called you a name too but only because it's accurate. Yours on the other hand...
FWIW to anyone else that reads this, I am not the oracle of truth. I trust in science that is backed by facts and results. You just seem to want to trust anything they say that suits your predisposed beliefs. There's a big difference there. That you don't see it is sad.
your lack of self awareness is pretty troubling
I am quite aware. I just don't bother with it much when it comes to you two. The hypocrisy is staggering. I know I insulted him before he returned the favor and then some. We can all have some fun with it. You certainly try to.
right. part of the problem was the load on the hospital and my right to have healthcare. ya know, the old adage of the guy who doesn't believe in doctors until it's too late and then wants to be saved. we sure were seeing a lot of that shit right when covid hit. if it were left up to me that guy wouldn't impact me at all because he would be ineligible for healthcare, but alas we don't live in that society where your are held accountable for your own decisions.
don't forget smoking and sedentary lifestyles. why not talk about more shit that's totally irrelevant to the discussion to see if we can change the topic?
Do you feel the same way about the fat with diabeetus who needed to go to the hospital because he wouldn't exercise and cut out Golden Corral?
Absolutely, add smoking, drinking, sedentary lifestyles to the list. Good for you!
It is relevant bc you are applying ideas/opinions to this particular health problem that no one applies to a vast number of other heath problems that cause similar outcomes.
i feel that way for anything preventable through diet and exercise. how hard is it to walk around the block a few times a day? honestly Jack Kevorkian was a godsend. we need to be killing people off at a much higher rate for this spinning ball to survive long term.
but it's also significant because 1) that one we can actually do something about 2) it's a short term problem that is over with now and won't be recurring.
I think the comparison is spot on.... The things he is talking about are far more of a detriment and a drag on the healthcare system as a whole, so it stands to reason you would certainly want to disqualify them from healthcare as well, right?
I'm not trying to flame you on this topic... I really just want to talk it through. Mandating a pseudo-vaccine that does not block transmission...that's a hell of a thing to impose on a so-called free society.
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I'm absolutely not an anti-vaxer. My "shot-record" is several pages long... And it includes both rounds of moderna COVID vax, flu vax every year since 1995, small pox, TDAP, MMR, et al. Coincidentally, the small vax might be the reason I suffered from pericarditis in the wake of the COVID vax. Apparently there's a known correlation there....but vax tyrants/the govt/big-pharma/provda simply want let science do science.
Interesting too that your link represents a departure from even what big pharma says about their own vax.
Ah, one of those zero population ppl... talk about a position that has no basis in science.... but also so divorced from your apparent vaccine mandate position... or am I miss-reading that?
Well, if we’re being hyperbolic then I guess you’re right. I don’t know who said zero though? Maybe your projection since you brought it up?
Yes, I am projecting; but is it a reach? You said we have to kill ppl off at a much higher rate to survive...in essence, depopulate... so you are right, it's much more extreme than zero population (i.e. not growing any further), you actually advocate a type of selective genocide with the aim of reducing the global population.
With regard to the class of people you have so ineloquently selected for termination, not every positive contributor to the advancement of humanity fits into your category of desirables. The person that might one day cure cancer may well be someone you would have terminated. From the sound of it though, you don't want to cure cancer anyway (yes, projecting again).
But alas, I am the one obviously in error here by entertaining you outlandish and vile comments in the first place. No thinking human can feel the way you described--at least not once it's thought through. Your comments were clearly meant to troll and inflame. I should have given them the treatment they deserved; and that is to ignore them. Sometimes I just can't help myself.
