No chief, I actually OWN a business as opposed to reading about it.
City of Clemson Votes To Extend Mask Mandate
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CU graduate of '92.
Proof of vaccination? Lol. Apparently 1/4 of our country can't even get an id.🙄
There are only 10 people in the hospital in Pickens County with Covid. None of them are in ICU.
There are 17 in Anderson County and 11 are in ICU. Anderson is much larger but they let their mask Ordinance expire.
I think it’s a huge inconvenience for businesses and their customers and does little in the way of offering real protection. But it’s huge theater.
There are 17 in Anderson County and 11 are in ICU. Anderson is much larger but they let their mask Ordinance expire.
I think it’s a huge inconvenience for businesses and their customers and does little in the way of offering real protection. But it’s huge theater.
Let's end this right now with CDC facts.
On any given recent day, SC only averages 13 new cases of COVID in each county in SC.
Just 13.....in a population of over 5 million.
On any given recent day, SC only averages 13 new cases of COVID in each county in SC.
Just 13.....in a population of over 5 million.
Didn't realize Clemson and America had so many gullible people.
None of your points are at all in opposition of anything I said. Relax.
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The sars cov 2 virus is over 1,000 times smaller than the size of the gaps in the threads of the masks. That’s all.
What I was told by a councilman is that they actually didn’t vote to extend they just didn’t vote to repeal it. It’s due to expire May 18th. I started a pole on the Nextdoor website and you can see some of the post from the liberal forever maskers...
You must not get out much.. they wrote a shit ton of tickets last summer and fall
Just letting you know I’m stealing your info on other cities
You know wearing masks and social distancing is so important. I mean all you had to do was watch college basketball to see it in action. I mean they ran around and guarded each other. They leaned on each other. They would huddle up on the side lines during timeouts, but then go put their mask on and sit six feet apart on the sideline. Dumbest thing I have ever seen. All of this mask stuff is ridiculous anyway. The vast majority of people don't wear them right. They walk around with their nose out or with the whole thing on their chin. It really is lunacy. And for an N95 to be truly effective you should be fitted for it. It is all a bunch of people in government trying to make it look like they are doing something. That is all it has ever been.
It really should be up to the individual business. Then people can decide for themselves if they want to shop in a business that is requiring a mask.
It really should be up to the individual business. Then people can decide for themselves if they want to shop in a business that is requiring a mask.
Technically campus is not in the city of Clemson
I went back and watched the portion of the Council meeting where masks were discussed. They extended it a couple of days beyond the next council meeting on the 17th. So technically not a full extension. They voted down a measure to repeal it 5-2.
There are 2-3 council people that are afraid of giving up masks and 1-2 on the fence. The measure to extend 2 days passed 4-3. They voted to align with CDC guidance on outdoor masks, and extend the current indoor measure by two days until the 18th.
They spent most of their discussion agreeing outdoor masks weren't needed and struggling to find metrics and data that measure that show it’s okay to repeal the mandate. At the end two council people got fearful of removing the outdoor masks and amended the measure to align with CDC guidelines which talk about fully vaccinated people and therefore can’t be enforced.
Athens just dropped their mandate. The mayor suggested a similar goal and measurement early on of cases per 100,000 ppl as a measurement. But different folks changed the metrics during discussion and there was no consensus. My take is hospitalizations are the key measurement due to false positives and asymptomatic cases.
They ignored the obvious which is cases are now at their lowest in almost a year as are hospitalizations. It’s a classic case of a group that is afraid to give up control for some fear of the unknown and the “optics”. A couple kept using “optics” in the discussion. They’re more worried about what their liberal constituents think than actual science and data.
Voters in Clemson need to email and call their council people if they want to get rid of the mandate. My hope is that it’s lifted and replaced with guidance rather than a mandate. By now everyone that needs and wants a vaccine has had it. This clinging to masks is chasing ghosts in my opinion and that backed up by the case numbers and hospitalizations.
I was downtown Monday eating at loose change. Basically no one on the street had them on and I walked right by a cop without one
My wife and I go out A LOT. We have traveled quite a bit in state and out of state during the pandemic. I have not seen a single person get a ticket. Now, the places we have traveled have been in the south. So there is that aspect. The only thing I have seen is some businesses will ask you to put one on if you aren't wearing it but that's about it. A lot of businesses don't care anymore.
I haven't worn a mask outdoors on a sidewalk since Key West back in July during peak Covid in FL. They "threatened" tickets on the news and such but I would say less than 5% wore them on the streets even though they were supposed to. We wore them for about 15 minutes until we realized no one else was either. Cops didn't say a word to anyone.
I never once wore a mask on a sidewalk anywhere in SC.
Everywhere is pretty much the same now in the SE. Even the places that have mask mandates are not enforcing them at this point.
Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers: A Randomized Controlled Trial: Annals of Internal Medicine: Vol 174, No 3
Background: Observational evidence suggests that mask wearing mitigates transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). It is uncertain if this observed association arises through protection of uninfected wearers (protective effect), via reduced transmission from...
www.acpjournals.org
Here’s just one after the COVID craze. There are TONS from before the COVID craze.
They may “work” as a behavioral deterrent to keep people from interacting with each other, that’s about it, and, if that’s the case, it’s Government restraint on the 1st Amendment.
We feel the same about you
I had a freshman there this year. I second this. Some teachers (few as far as I can tell) have done well with virtual but most of my son’s teachers completely mailed it in. Plus, the attendance policy for virtual classes was ridiculous because the system used to monitor attendance was flawed, but that didn’t stop them from dropping kids left and right from classes. I don’t blame the university for not being prepared but they needed to be more flexible at least with that policy.
This is so true in Atlanta. Today, I was at Lee's Bakery and everyone has a mask on before sitting down at the table. It appears that mask use has gone up. Because you know it's science...Tables have invisible force fields. People keep forgetting that people who already had the virus have higher immunity than the shot. If cloth masks worked...you wouldn't smell farts.
Seems like you want to talk about something else. I’m not sure why people want to turn anything to do with COVID into some sort of broader political agenda.
Yeah, that’s not how it works. The virus has to travel on another particle, it doesn’t just float around by itself. The respiratory particles that are the most likely culprits for virus spread are larger than the holes in the best cloth masks. You could find that out by looking at any study/any of the information out there from reputable sources, but I’m guessing you’re reporting on stuff that just validates what you want to think.
There is some irony there- people who are vaccinated need masks less than unvaccinated people, but people who got vaccinated first were also the people who were most cautious about the virus. People not interested in getting vaccinated also aren’t cautious about the virus.
This is so true in Atlanta. Today, I was at Lee's Bakery and everyone has a mask on before sitting down at the table. It appears that mask use has gone up. Because you know it's science...Tables have invisible force fields. People keep forgetting that people who already had the virus have higher immunity than the shot. If cloth masks worked...you wouldn't smell farts.
As far as masks and restaurants go, there’s obviously not “forcefields” around restaurant tables. But when you’re at your table, you can be distanced from people who you don’t know and live with, and you’re limiting the time without masks as much as possible. That’s because, again, the whole mask deal is about mitigating risk so that you don’t have to completely shut otherwise risky things down.
The whole smelling farts thing keeps getting repeated, but is just more silliness. The particles that carry the virus are different than air particles that you can smell.
The CDC has evidence that mask mandates somewhat reduce deaths, which means they probably also reduce cases by a larger number. That doesn’t mean they’re particularly effective as public health measures, or that they’re better than letting businesses decide what to do. Just claiming that they only work as behavioral deterrents is wrong, though.Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers: A Randomized Controlled Trial: Annals of Internal Medicine: Vol 174, No 3
Background: Observational evidence suggests that mask wearing mitigates transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). It is uncertain if this observed association arises through protection of uninfected wearers (protective effect), via reduced transmission from...www.acpjournals.org
Here’s just one after the COVID craze. There are TONS from before the COVID craze.
They may “work” as a behavioral deterrent to keep people from interacting with each other, that’s about it, and, if that’s the case, it’s Government restraint on the 1st Amendment.
I’ve read tons of the CDC data. They do not isolate masks from all other factors such as social distancing, hand washing, lockdowns, sanitization, etc etc.
If you have studies that do isolate them, I’m more than willing to change my viewpoint.
Before COVID this was an issue that was completely one sided in the scientific literature: meaning cloth/paper towel masks do not work to deter primary aerosol transmission of a respiratory virus.
IMO it’s simply a way to “show that we’re doing something”, at minimum.
Again, I’m more than open to reading data that isolates masks.
Studies have come out showing that masks work both as source control (which was already well established) and less well as protection for wearer (which has been further established during the pandemic). However, that doesn’t mean that mask mandates are great public health policies, because mass mask wearing still might not reduce the spread even if they work to reduce the spread at an individual level.
Here’s what the CDC put out a little while ago showing that mass mask wearing does reduce viral spread: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
"Hiden" is an idiot and I am beginning to believe Fauci is too . No one needs a mask outside especially if you have had both vaccine shots .
He might be smart but he’s letting fear override any actual reasoning or evidence to support mask use. So if he is smart he’s a p^ssy who is being riddled with fear.
Prolly b/c that's exactly what our "politicians" are doing.
I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the "science" crowd wanting the vaccine documentation is more often than not, the same group that thinks it's just too hard and unfair to get a GD I'd. Yet, those same folks, have to have an id to cash the stimulus money my tax dollars awarded them. I didn't get jack other than an expectation of more taxes. Its maddening. Both sides have turned covid into a political football. Anything to divide us more.
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Have not seen all those. Thank you, ill read and get back.
I totally agree that liberals have “Science” as part of their tribal identity, rather than just being willing to acknowledge cold hard facts. But I also don’t think conservatives should let their tribalism make them reactionary.
Actually, the masks probably did lead to the drastic decrease in influenza transmission. SARS-CoV-2 has an R0 at least two to three times greater than the flu, meaning that the rather drastic measures taken to combat Covid will have an even greater impact on similarly spread, but less infectious viruses.
But many of the droplets and aerosols on which they travel are not. And again, though I know nuance is not very popular on this board and the internet in general, the argument in favor of masks is that while the protection provided at the individual level may or may not be comparatively small, at the population level, the aggregate effect is substantial.
I’m a card carrying democrat that has stoped wearing a mask (Georgia) unless someone asks me to put it on.
I’m fully vaccinated and everyone in this state has had an opportunity to be fully vaccinated at this point.
I’m fully vaccinated and everyone in this state has had an opportunity to be fully vaccinated at this point.
Agree. Neither side worth a damn. May be time for a 3rd party to gain traction.
I’m not for that. I’d rather try to encourage the better angels on a particular side.
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