guess you can't wear a castro t shirt, but I suppose you support Trump calling Kim Jung Un a friend and great leader
Colin Kaepernick and Nike at it again
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You keep saying that Nike is/was killing kids in China. Can you link an article or source for that? Not necessarily doubting you but interested in the circumstances.
Sigh. It is literally for perspective - it’s not an argument. Things in this country are not as star-spangled awesome as some would say nor is it nearly as bad as others try and portray. Having perspective doesn’t make a cause any stronger or weaker, but it might help how an advocate presents things. As has already been pointed out, speaking out against social injustice while wearing a Castro shirt lacks perspective.
In Trump's defense, when trying to talk Un out of his nukes, you probably don't wanna lead with "this asshole to my left with the bad hair......."
My family had their entire life savings swindled by a Dutch Colonel, who also locked them in the belly of a ship to rot and die in London (some did). I want reparations.
My family, through the grace of the King, finally were transported to Charleston - but when we arrived we were ignorant and "settled" in what was then the Frontier to provide a "buffer" between the Cherokee and Charleston... it "worked" and was a bloody mess. I want reparations.
My great, great, great....grandfather had his Grant from the King taken away post-Revolution. I want reparations and thousands of acres of Land returned to me - his direct decendant.
More recently -
I am still waiting on an apology from Max Lennon I'll never get- as his incompentance, lack of effort , pettiness, and lack of caring as a leader caused me great personal and financial harm. I want reparations.
I am still waiting on a certain retired Sergeant Major to make up for his mishandling of a situation that forever impacted my life negatively.
...And - what about the Dot Com bust and how I am owed reparations for things others did. It was so devastating that a friend and one of my competitors committed suicide during that time- why were the "elite" shielded while others lost it all?
Yeah, right...
It does nothing. It's weak and pointless. It's something we all know and it adds zero to this discussion or any other when it's used. Yes it's worse in China. So should he be quiet? Pointless.
The level of hypocrisy is pretty incredible.
CK is offended by shoes.
Nike removes shoes.
people are offended shoes are not going to be sold.
Other people are offended that others are offended.
I get triggered bc all of them are dumb.
Fascists/communists like him are a part of the growing group of people who want to destroy this country by pulling it out by the roots and burning it. He (and his group) is not only a worthless piece(s) of trash, but this movement to the far and radical left in the direction toward socialism/fascism/communism is more than just dangerous. It is like an idealism with suppressing the majority and imposing their radical views on others. It is like a softer cuddlier version of the views of the Taliban and ISIS.
I just hope the the majority who are actually intelligent will rise up and stop this crap before it cannot be undone. God I pray for my children (and yours) and what my/our generation may be leaving behind for them.
I just hope the the majority who are actually intelligent will rise up and stop this crap before it cannot be undone. God I pray for my children (and yours) and what my/our generation may be leaving behind for them.
If you were promised any of those things then you deserve reparations. Much like African Americans good luck getting them. I wouldn't wait. Has zero to do with asking for something you were promised. And again reparations are only continually argued IMO because it was a part of the initial deal. Many of us understand it won't ever happen and it's cool.
Rockport or Sperry's would be where I would look first.
The level of hypocrisy is pretty incredible.
CK is offended by shoes.
Nike removes shoes.
people are offended shoes are not going to be sold.
Other people are offended that others are offended.
I get triggered bc all of them are dumb.
All indisputable FACTS
I googled it. Can't find any instance but again, certainly possible. Can you provide a source?
This is almost as scary as those times where there was actually an organized socialist group with a socialist agenda. Like those times where there were actual groups in America that opposed capitalism. Those in America that were actual organized groups that thought communist was the answer. Y
know all those ideas have existed and operated throughout our nation's history right? You know we've actually had far left presidents, legislatures, judges, etc. You sound afraid like all this is new. He's just a football player. Was. You sound scared. Help me understand why.
You found no information regarding the very public protests against Nike regarding sweatshops, child labor, the conditions where people/children were injured and/or died in those factories. You might be really young and it was before your time. If you really wanted to find that info you could. If you can't I'm ok with you not knowing. Maybe someone else is willing to do the work to show you. I'm not. On my phone.
Lol. I found plenty about protests and child labor. Didn't find anything about "nike killing kids" as you stated multiple times to sensationalize your argument. Bold strategy. Let's see if it pays off.
I'm glad you admitted to understanding what I was doing when I said Nike killed kids. I thought to myself unless you were stupid you knew exactly what I meant and why I said it the way I did. Many in this thread knew exactly what I was doing but you wanted to play the game. I decided to play. I had time. So this paid off exactly like I expected.
& Yet Our President Just Completed A Trip Overseas Sucking Up To Putin (Head Of KGB) & Kim Jung Un & No Outrage by These Betsy Ross/Red-White-Blue/God Bless America “Citizens”! Go Figure! Me, US Navy Retired!
So with the current structure of our system you believe we're in danger of becoming socialist? There are far too many conservatives in this country and there are far too many middle and even liberals that are not far left that want to party of socialism. We've always had a robust welfare system that certainly needs reformation about other things but I've never felt threatened by socialism.
Just so I'm clear, you are admitting to making stuff up to help your point and claiming a W as a result? Ok...
What is this or describe this please! Surely your not suggesting that America should have One Type, One Thought, One Look, One Color, Only People That Agree With Each Other, Surely your not suggesting that is America, or Are You?!
You can't be really this stupid.
I'm admitting to being ok with smart people in the thread understanding hyperbole without having to pretend to be an ignorant child. They got the point. I knew you did as well. You just decided to seek out a W. I wasn't looking for a W when I said that. You gifted me a W tho when you came for me. It's not that serious.
The level of hypocrisy is pretty incredible.
CK is offended by shoes.
Nike removes shoes.
people are offended shoes are not going to be sold.
Other people are offended that others are offended.
I get triggered bc all of them are dumb.
Doing the "both sides" thing is kinda lame, here. First, noting that somebody is irresponsibly censoring certain things isn't about being offended. It could be about calling attention to the way somebody is irresponsibly censoring things, because it's irresponsible. Second, even if this were just about people being "offended" (and I think what you're talking about is actually some sort of subjective feelings being hurt, not really taking offense), Kaepernick and Nike have a lot more cultural power than a few concerned consumers. The way they behave is more noteworthy than a few people on the internet.
Finally, and probably most importantly, it isn't uniformly "dumb" to be offended by something. This is part of what I was saying above, but certain decisions and actions are more impactful than others. Kaepernick clearly has the power to bend the ear of major corporations, which have the direct power to keep products off the market. Probably more important is the indirect power corporations have to influence culture, policy, and other businesses. I don't think this whole thing over the Betsy Ross flag is a huge deal, but I also don't think what Nike is doing should be ignored as another example of radicalism influencing big business. It would be a shame if big business were to convince people that the Betsy Ross flag was something to be ashamed of, so people ought to speak up rather than letting them control the narrative.
I have yet to see any “strong” points that really drive home any anything. To be honest, this is hardly a discussion. There is no decision to be made and I don’t think we are really exchanging ideas. You seem very argumentative and seem to genuinely enjoy it. When it’s all said and done, most likely no one, regardless of stance or opinion, leaves this particular thread with their mind changed or somehow more enlightened. This is basically an exercise in futility and a way to pass the day.
Real question is if Nike is going to allow CK to be the marketing and product moral compass then why didn’t they ping the design off of him prior to production?
The problem with this way of thinking is that if you try to ban any symbol that a few white supremacists (or a comparable group) have appropriated, you're going to end up letting them decide the meaning of that symbol. Many times, as in this case, the most common understanding of that symbol is something completely different. Very few people are even aware of the fact that some white supremacists appropriated the Betsy Ross flag, and there would not have been any effect on the bottom line. In fact, I think those shoes would've been wildly popular.
So why try to raise the profile of the people who want to change the meaning of the symbol? The answer is because Nike has chosen to privilege the perspective of Colin Kaepernick above those of the vast majority of people.
The rest of your post is just tendentious, partisan nonsense. I think you would do yourself, and others who agree with you, a service by just admitting the excesses of people like Kaepernick instead of defending everything they do.
You're correct about everything you said. Especially me enjoying certain aspects of the discussion. I stand by my point about examples that are pointless. Offer an idea. I'll listen. But again, the whole it's worse somewhere else about a group of people that already know that is pointless. If I thought that way we'd never improve anything. This is the greatest country in the world IMO so the idea that looking at the rest of the world somehow makes me feel better is crazy. What's special about this country is it's the best and it continues to strive to get better. It doesn't accept that it's already great. That mentality has helped my people more than any other.
I don't watch the lifetime channel so when I see breaking news about their programming I don't comment. Many in this thread already decided to never wear Nike again but are upset that the Betsy Ross version isn't available now. I wasn't buying them anyway. I didn't but the rainbow versions or the black history month versions lol.
You could look at it as just one pair of shoes, or you could look at it as a major corporation letting their decisions be influenced by people with radical politics. Maybe one or two of those types of decisions aren't going to affect anybody much, but we're at the point now where the overall corporate culture is exclusively progressive. And it likely got that way because people who don't want to be bothered let the radicals control the narrative.
I'm not sure this is historically true. That's a radical's view of history, while others would say that many of the changes we like came about because of appeals to the better angels of our national ideals.
Can you at least admit that Kaepernick's influence over this particular product is a little bit questionable?
This.
The governor's response is short sighted at best, and grandstanding at worst. His constituents need those jobs.
You're not going to convince me to care. Feel free to continue to be upset about a pair of shoes you can no longer buy from Nike.
In which case, why would you bother posting in this thread?
