Democrats File Trillion Dollar Reparations Bill

[yoshi121374]

Show me the curriculum. Does it say slavery was good? Or, is there an admittedly moronic blurb about the fact that some slaves would not have had access to food/shelter etc without slavery? Does it say slavery was an overall good thing/benefit for black people, or does it say the opposite?

Also, show where fatpiggy said this.

It says that the skills they learned as slaves benefitted them.

Florida's New African American History Standards: What's Behind the Backlash

The state's new standards drew national criticism and leave teachers with questions.

www.edweek.org

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

This thread is one more example of a real epiphany I had recently.

The MAGA party is a party that delights in Meaness. They celebrate assholes. They like Bullies. They like racists, and act as if the White,Straight Man is somehow limited in America. They are small,weak, people.

Says the bully of Rush.

 

[MTTiger19]

I actually agree with @MTTiger19 alot on this topic, with the caveat that I think the Patriarchy is very real, that systemic racism is very real, White Privilege is undeniable, and that being "woke" (before MAGA coopted it to be satan's work) is actually really important for White folk in America, to realize the plight of minority cultures in the states.

But Damn, progressives really really screwed this up with the younger generations. Rather than helping them see their privilege, they were told they were the problem- Since birth. Imagine being a young white male, and instead of understanding your privilege to help others and come along side them, these young white males were told they were bad/racist/the problem from birth. Who would ever want to hear that? (Other than evangelicals, ofc, who really love internalized shame in the form of original sin).

We did a massive disservice to gen z and gen alpha young white men by demonizing them, without a framework of the systemic injustices they were unwillingly a part of. It should have been an avenue of empathy for those young white men, but rather it was used to bludgeon them. And they had no idea how or why they were being demonized, because progressives didn't work to show that they aren't the issue, but the systems are.

We've failed these younger generations with shitty messaging, especially the young white males.

Remove the first paragraph from this post and no one would be able to determine if it was me or you. That’s when you know there’s something to the point I’m making.

 

[MTTiger19]

Thanks for sharing--I guess we have different life experiences. I'm grateful that I'm one of the very few straight, white, Christian males that has somehow evaded this persecution over the last 15 years.

@tigres88 agrees with me and he is completely empathetic to those causes. The fact you don’t see it is more an indication of your willingness not to. It doesn’t have to be a personal experience. If you can’t look around and see the double standards you have your head in the sand.

 

[tigres88]

@tigres88 agrees with me and he is completely empathetic to those causes. The fact you don’t see it is more an indication of your willingness not to.

To his credit, I don't have empathy towards white male millenials and older generations like I do gen z and gen alpha on this topic; we weren't demonized for being white, or called racist from birth. In fact, we were given the tools, as adults to understand the systemic injustices we were unwillingly a part of, and were encouraged to do the work of recognizing our own privilege and foot up, but as mature adults. The kids these days didn't get anything more than a bludgeon with no context or framework- millenials and older white generations had that context and framework to work through systemic racism and white privilege. I have less (and very little) empathy for white millenials and older who continue to stick their head in the sand.

And if @AndersonTiger85 is born in 85, he's right square with me in that age range. And we haven't gotten persecuted for being straight, white, or christian. Like ever. And any millenial or older who says they have, are lying to themselves.

With these past few and upcoming generations, its very different. They still aren't persecuted for being straight, white, or christian, per say, but they weren't given any kind of understanding or framework to understand their privilege or the inherent injustices of the systems they are a part of and the only message they heard from people in charge, and in pop culture, is that they were inherently wrong for existing with no context.

 

[yoshi121374]

Says the bully of Rush.

I can't bully Rush. He's dead.

I also couldn't have bullied him because I wasn't in a position of power over him.

That's a requirement to be a Bully.

 

[yoshi121374]

To his credit, I don't have empathy towards white male millenials and older generations like I do gen z and gen alpha on this topic; we weren't demonized for being white, or called racist from birth. In fact, we were given the tools, as adults to understand the systemic injustices we were unwillingly a part of, and were encouraged to do the work of recognizing our own privilege and foot up, but as mature adults. The kids these days didn't get anything more than a bludgeon with no context or framework- millenials and older white generations had that context and framework to work through systemic racism and white privilege. I have less (and very little) empathy for white millenials and older who continue to stick their head in the sand.

And if @AndersonTiger85 is born in 85, he's right square with me in that age range. And we haven't gotten persecuted for being straight, white, or christian. Like ever. And any millenial or older who says they have, are lying to themselves.

With these past few and upcoming generations, its very different. They still aren't persecuted for being straight, white, or christian, per say, but they weren't given any kind of understanding or framework to understand their privilege or the inherent injustices of the systems they are a part of and the only message they heard from people in charge, and in pop culture, is that they were inherently wrong for existing with no context.

Agree with most of this. The challenge is, how to educate them when we are eliminating DEI training and programs?

Those programs are designed to train and teach.

 

[AndersonTiger85]

@tigres88 agrees with me and he is completely empathetic to those causes. The fact you don’t see it is more an indication of your willingness not to. It doesn’t have to be a personal experience. If you can’t look around and see the double standards you have your head in the sand.

Disagree that I have my head in the sand. Agree that we have differing views on the topic and that I can't point to anything to prove that I'm right / you're wrong--which is the only reason why I referenced different life experiences. And I don't mean different life experiences to mean that one of us is better than the other because of those experiences--we just ended up with different thoughts (and I'm willing to bet both of us grew up in conservative households) on how we think things ought to be.

 

[scotchtiger]

I'm on record a few weeks ago in this forum that I'm 100% for Reparations and have been for a long time. I also don't see it anti-capitalist. Just get everyone to the same starting position and let em cook.

Who pays for them? Are we only going to tax those tracing ancestry back to slave times? What about a family like mine - all immigrated well after slavery ended and first college graduate was after civil rights? Surely I wouldn’t be expected to fund slavery reparations via my taxes, right?

 

[AndersonTiger85]

To his credit, I don't have empathy towards white male millenials and older generations like I do gen z and gen alpha on this topic; we weren't demonized for being white, or called racist from birth. In fact, we were given the tools, as adults to understand the systemic injustices we were unwillingly a part of, and were encouraged to do the work of recognizing our own privilege and foot up, but as mature adults. The kids these days didn't get anything more than a bludgeon with no context or framework- millenials and older white generations had that context and framework to work through systemic racism and white privilege. I have less (and very little) empathy for white millenials and older who continue to stick their head in the sand.

And if @AndersonTiger85 is born in 85, he's right square with me in that age range. And we haven't gotten persecuted for being straight, white, or christian. Like ever. And any millenial or older who says they have, are lying to themselves.

With these past few and upcoming generations, its very different. They still aren't persecuted for being straight, white, or christian, per say, but they weren't given any kind of understanding or framework to understand their privilege or the inherent injustices of the systems they are a part of and the only message they heard from people in charge, and in pop culture, is that they were inherently wrong for existing with no context.

All good points in here. Appreciate it.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

The Indians should have slaughtered everyone on the Mayflower

If they had known where that landing would lead they definitely would have killed them off

 

[yoshi121374]

If they had known where that landing would lead they definitely would have killed them off

The same natives that assisted them and helped them?

Did you study History even a little bit?

Maybe you remember the Holiday in November that we celebrated with Turkey?

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

I can't bully Rush. He's dead.

I also couldn't have bullied him because I wasn't in a position of power over him.

That's a requirement to be a Bully.

Hopefully you’ve fully recovered from your mental collapse.

 

[WapPride]

Do a little research into Myles Standish and his interaction with the Indians. He was the military advisor for the Plymouth colony. He was also a

Yeah he was brutal. Iirc, it wasn't until after the colonists signed the "treaty" with the Wampanoag that Standish started to slaughter neighboring tribes (who all happened to be threats to the Wampanoag.) I'm pretty sure that also lead to a dozen or something neighboring tribes immediately coming and suing for peace with the Wampanoag and the colonists.

 

[WapPride]

Says the bully of Rush.

**** man i thought you were talking about the band for a minute there and got confused as to why anyone had a gripe with them

 

[MTTiger19]

Agree with most of this. The challenge is, how to educate them when we are eliminating DEI training and programs?

Those programs are designed to train and teach.

We? Verizon is a public company that employs people of every color and creed across this country. Moreover they serve every single demographic in this nation fair and equally. Are they dumb?

 

[MTTiger19]

To his credit, I don't have empathy towards white male millenials and older generations like I do gen z and gen alpha on this topic; we weren't demonized for being white, or called racist from birth. In fact, we were given the tools, as adults to understand the systemic injustices we were unwillingly a part of, and were encouraged to do the work of recognizing our own privilege and foot up, but as mature adults. The kids these days didn't get anything more than a bludgeon with no context or framework- millenials and older white generations had that context and framework to work through systemic racism and white privilege. I have less (and very little) empathy for white millenials and older who continue to stick their head in the sand.

And if @AndersonTiger85 is born in 85, he's right square with me in that age range. And we haven't gotten persecuted for being straight, white, or christian. Like ever. And any millenial or older who says they have, are lying to themselves.

With these past few and upcoming generations, its very different. They still aren't persecuted for being straight, white, or christian, per say, but they weren't given any kind of understanding or framework to understand their privilege or the inherent injustices of the systems they are a part of and the only message they heard from people in charge, and in pop culture, is that they were inherently wrong for existing with no context.

I was specifically speaking to the rise in popularity of conservatives and conservative ideologies among young people. To be clear these are modern day conservative stances such as no DEI, equal rights not equity, bye bye climate craziness, no men in the ladies room, no funding war, no mandate on vaccines, stuff like that.

I would say however people of our age have the same reaction to hearing about their privilege. It’s a presumptious argument at best. To just broad brush every white person as privileged and every black person as oppressed is nonsense and that is being rejected throughout the country. I think that’s the main difference here. You are comfortable lumping entire racial groups into categories like oppressed/oppressor or privileged/marginalized and the entire premise of your decision on where those people land is skin color. I reject that argument full stop. I believe in individual responsibility and accountability and those aren’t white ideals. Nor is pulling yourself out of bad situations or exercising discipline, restraint and good behavior. That’s where this debate should start and stop. On individuals living today, right now, not on things from 1865.

 

[WapPride]

The youth being more rightwing is directly tied to the RW podcast/manosphere circuit. That's also only really affecting males, as females are still historically more left leaning. There's tons of literature backing up this phenomena and one of the main gripes that most leftists have with the Dem party.

 

[yoshi121374]

We? Verizon is a public company that employs people of every color and creed across this country. Moreover they serve every single demographic in this nation fair and equally. Are they dumb?

View embedded media

I think they are trying to avoid the backlash from Right Wing Media.

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

I think they are trying to avoid the backlash from Right Wing Media.

Joke of the day.

 

[yoshi121374]

Joke of the day.

Explain?

You dont think Corporations are aware of political pressure and public outcry?

Corporations sway the way the current wind blows all the time. They care about money.

 

[MTTiger19]

Explain?

You dont think Corporations are aware of political pressure and public outcry?

Corporations sway the way the current wind blows all the time. They care about money.

The implication would be only right wing people have money. You sticking with that?

 

[MTTiger19]

The youth being more rightwing is directly tied to the RW podcast/manosphere circuit. That's also only really affecting males, as females are still historically more left leaning. There's tons of literature backing up this phenomena and one of the main gripes that most leftists have with the Dem party.

Who? Who’s this RW podcast conglomerate consist of? Rogan? That’s a stretch my guy.

Edit: also to completely ignore the lefts radical message and its impact on young people is very short sighted.

 

[MTTiger19]

I think they are trying to avoid the backlash from Right Wing Media.

Show me an example of a reputable RW media source denouncing public companies DEI programs. If you are talking about Fox that’s as reputable as MSNBC.

 

[yoshi121374]

The implication would be only right wing people have money. You sticking with that?

No, the implication is that corporations are the fairly apolitical. They shift as the moods change.

 

[WapPride]

Who? Who’s this RW podcast conglomerate consist of? Rogan? That’s a stretch my guy.

Edit: also to completely ignore the lefts radical message and its impact on young people is very short sighted.

I feel like I have to make this same post every 2-3 months. I feel like it is a backlash against the movement from the last decade+ about a push to be more accepting of others and to push back against derogatory terms. Hell there was that “movement” right after Trump was elected with comedians and right wingers broadcasting how happy they were they could now use “fag and retard.” Couple Trump’s natural abrasiveness and “trolling” with how much of an shithead most 15-25 year old males are and you can see how young men would flock to the right. The right has sort of embraced a return to the 90s/2000s era of joking derogatory slang, whereas the dems went a different direction.

There are plenty of more educated people than I who study this and can explain it better. I recommend reading some of the articles/resources below.

The Kids Are Leaning Right: How the Manosphere Is Shaping Voters | The Walrus

The polls look good for the Liberals now, but the Conservatives have been winning over young men

thewalrus.ca

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/115561/documents/HHRG-118-IF16-20230328-SD033.pdf

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09589236.2023.2260318#d1e365

 

[yoshi121374]

Show me an example of a reputable RW media source denouncing public companies DEI programs. If you are talking about Fox that’s as reputable as MSNBC.

Very few reputable. Trump however has been extremely vocal decrying it. The entire MAGA movement has made a huge point to eliminate DEI programs.

 

[Allornothing]

I'm on record a few weeks ago in this forum that I'm 100% for Reparations and have been for a long time. I also don't see it anti-capitalist. Just get everyone to the same starting position and let em cook.

Give them your money.

DONE!

 

[Allornothing]

Says the bully of Rush.

He's not a bully-he's not enough of an "IT" to do that. He just talks ill about dead people.

 

[tigres88]

Show me an example of a reputable RW media source denouncing public companies DEI programs. If you are talking about Fox that’s as reputable as MSNBC.

I’m a tad confused about this post- I thought the whole idea is that there was no reputable mainstream sources and all rw media was from alternative sources which are now reputable in magas eyes. And all of them decry dei etc. I thought that was y’all’s whole thing? Anti msm?

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

The same natives that assisted them and helped them?

Did you study History even a little bit?

Maybe you remember the Holiday in November that we celebrated with Turkey?

Actually I studied a lot of history.

searching for a massacre that occurred near Clemson where like 12,000 Cherokee were killed by Spanish Conquistadors

That was interesting reading years sgo

 

[MTTiger19]

I’m a tad confused about this post- I thought the whole idea is that there was no reputable mainstream sources and all rw media was from alternative sources which are now reputable in magas eyes. And all of them decry dei etc. I thought that was y’all’s whole thing? Anti msm?

I agree here for the most part but I don’t think most agree that those are reputable. I believe some of what they say is valuable. I know for a fact that most podcasters are not as big as you think. For instance my parents, in their late 60’s, had never heard of Joe Rogan until the Trump interview. And there’s a ton of examples like that.

In other words I know Rogan does it but he’s not as reputable as you think. No one is citing Rogan as a source.

 

[tigres88]

I agree here for the most part but I don’t think most agree that those are reputable. I believe some of what they say is valuable. I know for a fact that most podcasters are not as big as you think. For instance my parents, in their late 60’s, had never heard of Joe Rogan until the Trump interview. And there’s a ton of examples like that.

In other words I know Rogan does it but he’s not as reputable as you think. No one is citing Rogan as a source.

I hear ya- my grandparents had foxnews on all day and on repeat 24/7 my whole life. My parents mostly read stuff on the internet, and my aunts and uncles who are more maga get their info form X/Telegram/truth Social/rogan and sometimes still fox news.

My aunt had never heard of telegram, which now shes in a big MAGA information group there, until a few years ago. MAGA seems to get its information from a myriad of non mainstream sources, and in some ways its the only thing that has forced them into the modern technology age. And they're all "refutable" to them, and are factual.

It's hard to argue any source is irrefutable,a when what everyone has claimed for the past 20-30 years that certain media outlets were reputable (cnn, fox news), but are no longer trustworthy, and in the past 5-10 years have lost that irrefutability, and even institutions like the Associated Press are now no longer considered reputable by a decent swath of the population, so what do you do?

In other words, I don't think the Mainstream media is part of some bigger conspiracy, and I think free journalism is an integral aspect to the United States. I also think there are standards that apply to journalism and journalistic integrity, but I don't necessarily think the lesser forms of media (specifically the ones maga has crushed it in) are wrong.

I do think Rogan is a podcaster and an opinion based podcaster at that, but I actually don't hate or think its wrong if people get their news or opinions from that avenue. Shit, I get my news and opinions from podcasters too, and opinion based ones at that. But there is and should be a difference in news and opinion, and when institutions like the AP get blackballed as partisan when they are clearly a non biased, non partisan, institution there becomes a problem.

At the end of the day, I want free thinkers and those that are open to different ideas. That's literally the progressive mindset- but I do think there should be guardrails there, and the MAGA victim complex doesn't allow them to actually accept those guardrails in many aspects. And I struggle with that.

 

[MTTiger19]

I hear ya- my grandparents had foxnews on all day and on repeat 24/7 my whole life. My parents mostly read stuff on the internet, and my aunts and uncles who are more maga get their info form X/Telegram/truth Social/rogan and sometimes still fox news.

My aunt had never heard of telegram, which now shes in a big MAGA information group there, until a few years ago. MAGA seems to get its information from a myriad of non mainstream sources, and in some ways its the only thing that has forced them into the modern technology age. And they're all "refutable" to them, and are factual.

It's hard to argue any source is irrefutable,a when what everyone has claimed for the past 20-30 years that certain media outlets were reputable (cnn, fox news), but are no longer trustworthy, and in the past 5-10 years have lost that irrefutability, and even institutions like the Associated Press are now no longer considered reputable by a decent swath of the population, so what do you do?

In other words, I don't think the Mainstream media is part of some bigger conspiracy, and I think free journalism is an integral aspect to the United States. I also think there are standards that apply to journalism and journalistic integrity, but I don't necessarily think the lesser forms of media (specifically the ones maga has crushed it in) are wrong.

I do think Rogan is a podcaster and an opinion based podcaster at that, but I actually don't hate or think its wrong if people get their news or opinions from that avenue. Shit, I get my news and opinions from podcasters too, and opinion based ones at that. But there is and should be a difference in news and opinion, and when institutions like the AP get blackballed as partisan when they are clearly a non biased, non partisan, institution there becomes a problem.

At the end of the day, I want free thinkers and those that are open to different ideas. That's literally the progressive mindset- but I do think there should be guardrails there, and the MAGA victim complex doesn't allow them to actually accept those guardrails in many aspects. And I struggle with that.

All great points. And I think the networks actually are to blame for the explosion of people like Rogan. Because Fox and that side and CNN and that side were just mouthpieces. There was zero journalism going on, they all had the same opinion. It was so obvious and played out. These fake dorks flip flopping on issue after issue with zero credibility on both sides. People were starving for authenticity. That’s what Rogan is. If he’s anything he’s authentic, that’s a real guy, with real talent, with real ideas and he’s interesting. The media doesn’t have anything like that.

I’d also like to say we couldnt agree less on damn near anything but I really appreciate you listening to my pov and even offering understanding of my positions. I commend you for your ability to stay measured and I appreciate our discourse. Like I said we probably couldn’t be more opposite but I respect you sir. Thanks!

 

[yoshi121374]

The implication would be only right wing people have money. You sticking with that?

FCC approves Verizon’s $20 billion merger after it commits to ‘ending’ DEI

The merger will help Verizon expand its fiber footprint.

www.theverge.com

 

[BlueRidgedf]

Why do democrats act like slavery ended last week? And if they truly believe in reparations why are they democrats? You will eventually have to pay reparations because there is still a lot of self loathing white people it will happen someday.

 

[CUT93]

It says that the skills they learned as slaves benefitted them.

Florida's New African American History Standards: What's Behind the Backlash

The state's new standards drew national criticism and leave teachers with questions.

www.edweek.org

Two things here. That is not the complete standard, so you have zero idea what the overall message being taught is. If this is confusing to you, ask your wife. All this says is that one portion to be mentioned is that slaves learned skills that benefited them. I heard this exact same thing when I had US History in the mid/late 80's. Not for nothing, it is also true.
Have you seen the complete standards are are you all up in arms about something you really know nothing about bc you are making uneducated assumptions based on your bias? Maybe that are actually teaching slavery was good. I don't know bc I have not seen the entire standards either, but I seriously doubt it.