I presume the states will be in charge now. Not sure if results will improve, but I am fine with trying a different path.
Department Of Education - Bye Bye
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I am all for getting rid of govt bloat. I hope there is a plan on how to transition this to the states rather than just an exit without a plan. Particularly as it relates to funding that has been coming from the feds. No doubt there is a lot of waste that can be cut out. Much of it related to testing- at the federal, state, and district levels.
Ya I don’t really know what to make of this. On its surface it sounds crazy, BUT ….. the states are and have been in charge of their curriculum and that even goes down to the county level and even in individual schools.
Soooooo when you really look at it, not really sure what the fed dept of education did??? Outside of providing “guidance”, which could or could not be adopted.
Soooooo when you really look at it, not really sure what the fed dept of education did??? Outside of providing “guidance”, which could or could not be adopted.
Less crazy than Jimmy Carter creating the Department of Education and having it grow ever since. The farther down you push things the more accountability there is on how tax dollars are getting spent and who is responsible for the decisions and the results (or lack thereof).
I like the idea. States can't do a worse job than the Feds.
Baltimore City is one of the worst school districts in the country, receives the MOST funding per student by capita.
Our school district in Maryland (Queen Anne’s County), is “OK”, but the schools in our county seat have been at max population for decades, haven’t been renovated since the 80s, and are falling apart. Both elementary schools in town have water stations because of all the lead plumbing used, the water from the tap isn’t safe to drink …. been a problem for decades. Build new schools???? NOPE, funds went to a 25k sq ft Board of Education facility whose price tag is north of $14Mil.
Too be fair, the previous BoE building was from 1903, soooooo they did need a new facility, but no one has been able to explain to me why administrators, in a rural county, in todays age of Zoom/Teams need a 25k sq ft facility while our schools are falling apart.
Sorry soap box moment ….
Bye bye to a layer of government that adds nothing to the benefit of our citizens.
Serious question because I legitimately don't know. Is that funding just federal funding? Or the school district has the highest budget? I thought most schools were mostly funded by local tax dollars. In which case I would think federal funding in that case is only leveling the playing field. I am definitely just guessing, so maybe I'm way off. Just doubt their schools are palaces and have the highest budget, but maybe I'm way off base.
So i guess the question is HOW would it have to be done. Dept of Ed was created during the Carter Admin through the DoEd authorization act in 1979. Act=Law. So if a law created it wouldn't that law need to be repealed to un-create it?
I’d be completely ok with getting rid of DC altogether, so I’m loving this
You'd think so, but somehow executive orders have come to rule everything. Trump and others all included
We (red states) are already there for the most part aren't we? Why not take a different track?
My Fulton County property tax bill would disagree with you.
And my kids attend private school.
I'd like to see the rankings of our schools vs other countries since the inception of the D.O.E.
Oh no, there goes our education system that fails the vast majority of our kids. What will we do
Giving money directly to the states instead of filtering it through la DEI lens in Washington DC.
There was a good infographic going around yesterday. Since the creation of DOE the cost of education has skyrocketed, yet the scores have not increased at all.
I’m not against this, but I do hope there is a solid plan post DOE. Federal funding is still critical to the country’s education.
GOP needs to avoid things like Obamacare “repeal and replace,” with no replacement plan. That’s like a dog chasing a car. There needs to be a cogent plan on the backend of these issues.
GOP needs to avoid things like Obamacare “repeal and replace,” with no replacement plan. That’s like a dog chasing a car. There needs to be a cogent plan on the backend of these issues.
State taxes will go up. Federal taxes will go down. Local control of education restored. States may even let the counties run their own show.
Where do they find these psychos?
Do you have more detail on the DEI lens of the DOE fund allotment?
That's all I'm asking, personally. Agreed education needs to be better, but tearing it down with no plan can set our system back the same way the lockdowns did if they don't get it together.
It’s more complicated than that. First, I don’t want to commit to higher state taxes when the federal government could shift left and re-raise my federal taxes. Then I’m paying even more than I pay today. That concept - higher total taxes - is not an option I would ever support.
You also then have wealthier areas of SC having to contribute a larger share to support poor areas of SC that receive a larger share of federal funding today. So in other words, instead of the burden of supporting poor areas being spread across the US tax base, it will be concentrated on the higher earners in SC. No thank you.
We can remove the DOE but keep federal funding for education in place. That’s the only way this works.
The Washington Bureaucrats have a beautiful plan
Make the school districts and education worse and you will get more money to fix the problem
So the mantra is create a problem and then ask for ridiculous amounts of money to fix it
Make the school districts and education worse and you will get more money to fix the problem
So the mantra is create a problem and then ask for ridiculous amounts of money to fix it
So the USA was number one in the 1960’s into the ‘70’s. Those were my secondary years🤣.
Of course there isn't a plan. The entire plan is tear it down..... Then....
Remember Repeal and Replace.
SC gets over 75% of education funding from the federal government. Get ready for a tax hike.
The bigger issue is that a myriad of other laws such as IDEA directly list the DOE as the funding and oversight agency. Those Laws would have to be rewritten.
This is a really complex issue, with a lot of moving parts, that isn't as simple as just eliminating it.
Right now do you think there is a cogent plan? If you had to bet on it is that something you think trump did different this time?
Just watching these morons vote for people who are going to make their lives way,way worse for them and their kids.
It's incredible to watch.
Hard pass on the tax hike. But here are results from Google on education funding. Where are you getting 75%? This says 15%. State (1st) and local taxes (2nd) represent ~82%.
State funding
- In 2021–2022, state sources provided about 52% of district funding
- The state provides education aid to districts after subtracting the expected local contribution
- School districts are expected to contribute about 30% of the total cost of public education
- The local share percentage is multiplied by a district-specific index to determine how much funding each district should raise locally
Federal funding
- In 2021–2022, federal sources provided about 15.2% of public school funding
- This was higher than the US average of 13.7%
