Department Of Education - Bye Bye

[dpic73]

Just watching these morons vote for people who are going to make their lives way,way worse for them and their kids.

It's incredible to watch.

The Trump administration is targeting USAID, DOE, OPM, DOJ, CIA, FBI—the list goes on and with no plan. We won't know how we depend on these agencies/services until they're gone and then it'll be too late. And now a DC district judge has threatened lawsuits against anyone who tries to impede Elon. This is not democracy

 

[XRP589]

It’s more complicated than that. First, I don’t want to commit to higher state taxes when the federal government could shift left and re-raise my federal taxes. Then I’m paying even more than I pay today. That concept - higher total taxes - is not an option I would ever support.

You also then have wealthier areas of SC having to contribute a larger share to support poor areas of SC that receive a larger share of federal funding today. So in other words, instead of the burden of supporting poor areas being spread across the US tax base, it will be concentrated on the higher earners in SC. No thank you.

We can remove the DOE but keep federal funding for education in place. That’s the only way this works.

Fair enough but I would prefer my money stay in SC and help support struggling South Carolinians than it being sent to “Ukraine” or to some whack jobs in blue states

 

[scotchtiger]

Fair enough but I would prefer my money stay in SC and help support struggling South Carolinians than it being sent to “Ukraine” or to some whack jobs in blue states

Sure. But do you really think there will be lasting, sustainable tax cuts to offset state tax hikes? The pendulum swings both ways over time and the left has made it exceptionally clear that they think I should pay higher taxes than I do today. At some point they will get their way. And then I’ll still have higher SC taxes to deal with on top of it.

No thank you.

 

[yoshi121374]

Hard pass on the tax hike. But here are results from Google on education funding. Where are you getting 75%? This says 15%. State (1st) and local taxes (2nd) represent ~82%.


State funding

• In 2021–2022, state sources provided about 52% of district funding
  
  
• The state provides education aid to districts after subtracting the expected local contribution

Local funding

• School districts are expected to contribute about 30% of the total cost of public education
• The local share percentage is multiplied by a district-specific index to determine how much funding each district should raise locally

Federal funding

• In 2021–2022, federal sources provided about 15.2% of public school funding
• This was higher than the US average of 13.7%

Special education funding and title one funding. Also school lunch programs.

Let me find specific facts. I don't have it in front of me right now at work.

 

[yoshi121374]

Special education funding and title one funding. Also school lunch programs.

Let me find specific facts. I don't have it in front of me right now at work.

It does appear that I was wrong on the 75% for all funding, it appears to be 15%+ as you stated.

I think I was confusing Special Education funding which is a much higher amount as a percentage.

My Bad, I was wrong.

 

[dbjork6317]

I presume the states will be in charge now. Not sure if results will improve, but I am fine with trying a different path.

View embedded media

The President can’t eliminate the department through executive order, it has to go through Congress. Of course, there’s lots of things happening right now that require congressional approval and congress is just sitting on their hands. Its setting up a massive battle where the courts say “you can’t do this” and Trump says “watch me” and then lower level people in the administration have to decide if they’re willing to defy court orders and potentially face criminal charges or not since they don’t have immunity like the President does. The President, of course, has a plan for this and is removing bureaucrats who might but the law above him and replacing them with unqualified loyalists.

 

[dbjork6317]

My Fulton County property tax bill would disagree with you.

And my kids attend private school.

Do you think that removing federal support for education will make your state education tax bill go down?

 

[dbjork6317]

I’m not against this, but I do hope there is a solid plan post DOE.

Spoiler alert: there is not.

And that’s probably by design. Create a vacuum that can then be filled by the Christian Nationalist ideologues that are currently telling the Trump admin what to do.

 

[scotchtiger]

Spoiler alert: there is not.

And that’s probably by design. Create a vacuum that can then be filled by the Christian Nationalist ideologues that are currently telling the Trump admin what to do.

Score! I was missing Christian Nationalist on my weekly TI bingo card.

 

[scotchtiger]

It does appear that I was wrong on the 75% for all funding, it appears to be 15%+ as you stated.

I think I was confusing Special Education funding which is a much higher amount as a percentage.

My Bad, I was wrong.

All good. A very simple and logical way to address would be for parents to make up the 15%. $2B / 800K students = $2500 per year. I would much rather pay that than pay high federal taxes or increased state taxes while the kids are in school. It also shifts a small portion of costs toward those utilizing the services.

 

[dpic73]

Score! I was missing Christian Nationalist on my weekly TI bingo card.

Well add it now because you also mocked us for saying he would be a dictator and enact Project 2025 ;-)

 

[dbjork6317]

Score! I was missing Christian Nationalist on my weekly TI bingo card.

Its mind bottling how you simply refuse to see things that are happening right in front of you and refuse to believe the President and his team when they’ve told you over and over again what they intend to do. They have explicitly laid out a plan to abolish the DOE so that they can do away with restrictions on religion in the classroom, including allowing teachers to refuse to teach curriculum if they determine it is “contrary to the employee’s or contractor’s religious or moral convictions.”

 

[fatpiggy]

The President can’t eliminate the department through executive order, it has to go through Congress. Of course, there’s lots of things happening right now that require congressional approval and congress is just sitting on their hands. Its setting up a massive battle where the courts say “you can’t do this” and Trump says “watch me” and then lower level people in the administration have to decide if they’re willing to defy court orders and potentially face criminal charges or not since they don’t have immunity like the President does. The President, of course, has a plan for this and is removing bureaucrats who might but the law above him and replacing them with unqualified loyalists.

No worries. Trump will just issue blanket pardons a couple days before the end of his term. Literally no one is worried about facing criminal charges. Try your threats somewhere else, but they won't work when you guys just did the exact same thing.

Shoulda spoken up when you had the chance, now its too late.

 

[yoshi121374]

All good. A very simple and logical way to address would be for parents to make up the 15%. $2B / 800K students = $2500 per year. I would much rather pay that than pay high federal taxes or increased state taxes while the kids are in school. It also shifts a small portion of costs toward those utilizing the services.

Are you suggesting that they pay tuition of $2500? For every student? No matter the economic situation?

Not many folks have $2500 just lying around.