Deshaun Watson 24th accuser. Details

[metalman82]

Gut tells me that he did do something wrong, but if the evidence isn’t there for criminal proceedings to continue, you can’t judge too much.

Some or all of the accusers could be lying. Don’t like the assertion that because they are suing him in civil court that they are just out for money. If something was done to them but the evidence wasn’t there for criminal prosecution, they have no other recourse

If you’re cynical enough to think that the 24 women are lying, I don’t know how you can’t be cynical about Deshaun’s proclaimed innocence

Does anyone see issues with most if not all being represented by the same attorney? Doesn't it seem a little convenient? IF they really are about justice and not being in the spotlight then why not sign a NDA IF they agree on the settlement? I am not discounting that the allegations could be true. I just find it troubling that none of the cases appear to be brought on by other opposing counsel. Buzbee sounding like a sleezeball at times doesn't help either.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Uh, ok bud. I'm not going to get into an argument with you, but your statement is pointless.
Language evolves. People create and use terminology and it gets adopted by the masses. Nothing new there.

Also, I wouldn't consider either of those terms to be politicized. Or, "fringe-y" to be honest.


"Fringe-y" - now there's a term I'm not going to expect to see ever again.

"Sex worker" is pretty transparently and explicitly an attempt to normalize "sex work," otherwise known as prostitution, stripping, or anything meant to titillate sexually. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but that's where that came from. What I was laughing at was using that term, while at the same time using the more judgmental "Insta-hoes." It's quite the mash-up.

 

[BuddyLee101514]

This. Sad to see some people on here defend him. Also laughable to think 24 different people are lying…I get that a few could fabricate for money but there is a trend here. It’s sad he is a Clemson

This. Sad to see some people on here defend him. Also laughable to think 24 different people are lying…I get that a few could fabricate for money but there is a trend here. It’s sad he is a Clemson alum.

Just for the record I am not defending him. Best thing I can say about him is I hope he doesn't get hurt but I will never pull for him agqin

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

You don’t think they knew what they were getting into when they flew into Houston for a 4x over priced massage session?

And let’s make sure I make myself clear, I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just saying the “victims” aren’t innocent here.

I'm sure they at least thought it was a little strange, but it also seems feasible to me that the money, celebrity, and thoughts of how they could grow their business or influence got them not to think too much about the weirdness of it. It's also possible that they thought something sexual may happen, but whatever happened wasn't totally consensual.

Like somebody said above, these women could've been venal, naive, prostitutes, and trash, but there still might have been something wrong with jerking off in front of, or on them. It actually sounds sort of similar to the whole Louis CK thing.

 

[nashvegastiger]

According to his scouting report he does have a quick release

I’m sorry but I laughed at this response. 😂 But not funny if accusations are true.

 

[HeavyWaterTiger]

I smell a rat. If she wasn't a willing participant, then why didn't she call a halt to it the minute he started masterbating. She just sat there while he came on her and then decided that it was time to quit. Sounds like BS to me. She wanted to see how much she could get from him.

HWT

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

I smell a rat. If she wasn't a willing participant, then why didn't she call a halt to it the minute he started masterbating. She just sat there while he came on her and then decided that it was time to quit. Sounds like BS to me. She wanted to see how much she could get from him.

HWT

She did "call a halt to it."

 

[TigerFlow]

"Sex worker" is pretty transparently and explicitly an attempt to normalize "sex work," otherwise known as prostitution, stripping, or anything meant to titillate sexually. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but that's where that came from. What I was laughing at was using that term, while at the same time using the more judgmental "Insta-hoes." It's quite the mash-up.

Fair enough.

Fwiw, sex work is normal. Been around as long as humans have been. Just because we Americans are a bunch of prudes doesn’t make it not so.

 

[97ClemsonMac]

66 different women in 17 months!! Jeez!

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Fair enough.

Fwiw, sex work is normal. Been around as long as humans have been. Just because we Americans are a bunch of prudes doesn’t make it not so.

It’s not just Americans, and of course plenty of things that have been around a long time are not good. We shouldn’t try to turn “sex work” into just another normal job by using a new phrase that doesn’t have the negative connotation that older phrases for “sex work” have accumulated over time.

 

[anon_5e8aassgcbjz1]

Does anyone see issues with most if not all being represented by the same attorney? Doesn't it seem a little convenient? IF they really are about justice and not being in the spotlight then why not sign a NDA IF they agree on the settlement? I am not discounting that the allegations could be true. I just find it troubling that none of the cases appear to be brought on by other opposing counsel. Buzbee sounding like a sleezeball at times doesn't help either.

I mean, what's wrong with it being convenient? If the guy's got a track record of success, you go with him. It's also possible that any one case will be viewed more credibly if Buzbee can get up there and say, "I'm representing 24 female victims in their accusations against Mr. Watson." There's power in the collective.

My understanding is that they were open to an NDA. They didn't like the terms being offered by the other side. Deshaun's team is also not going to agree to an NDA they deem too weak or that admits too much from him.

 

[stigers91]

Let's say she's 5'2" and he's 6'3". Maybe he was standing on something. If it hit her in the face, it easily could've dripped down, or she could've been wearing something where at least part of her chest was exposed. She may not have wanted to say anything until it looked like Watson might "get away with it." None of this is infeasible unless you're just not willing to be charitable at all.

All plausible. Just as plausible, it was consensual at the time now trying to go for the money grab.

 

[PAWrocka]

Its amazing reading DW4 threads and realizing that the people on this forum who wouldve believed Carolyn Bryant, are not the ones you'd think.

 

[metalman82]

I mean, what's wrong with it being convenient? If the guy's got a track record of success, you go with him. It's also possible that any one case will be viewed more credibly if Buzbee can get up there and say, "I'm representing 24 female victims in their accusations against Mr. Watson." There's power in the collective.

My understanding is that they were open to an NDA. They didn't like the terms being offered by the other side. Deshaun's team is also not going to agree to an NDA they deem too weak or that admits too much from him.

Nothing wrong with convenience. This is unprecedented for sure. You have to admit one attorney bringing 24 separate civil suits for alleged sexual misconduct against one person is a little out of the norm.

 

[anon_5e8aassgcbjz1]

Nothing wrong with convenience. This is unprecedented for sure. You have to admit one attorney bringing 24 separate civil suits for alleged sexual misconduct against one person is a little out of the norm.

So is seeing at least 66 different massage therapists in the span of 17 months. The nature of the suits seems fair enough given the alleged circumstances

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Nothing wrong with convenience. This is unprecedented for sure. You have to admit one attorney bringing 24 separate civil suits for alleged sexual misconduct against one person is a little out of the norm.

Maybe legal folks can tell us otherwise, because this seems like just the kind of thing done in civil suits. They get all the people harmed together, if they can.

 

[Cris_Ard]

From Yahoo! Sports last night:

The NFL was hoping to close its Deshaun Watson investigation soon. That no longer seems possible.

As for the commissioner’s exempt list, the NFL is mum. Either the league is defaulting to when Roger Goodell said Watson would not go on the list or it means the NFL is keeping its options open.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[metalman82]

So is seeing at least 66 different massage therapists in the span of 17 months. The nature of the suits seems fair enough given the alleged circumstances

I don't disagree with you there.