I was making fun of that dude’s comment because he was clearly going for a “gotchya” type of situation when, in reality, the issue runs a lot deeper than simply looking at whether a state is blue or red.
Forbes top 5 most dangerous cities in America
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Oh completely agree. That was kinda my point of everyone being 4 red 1 blue or 4 blue 1 red. Like it's a bit more complicated than that.
Way. A lot of that is code. People just need to say what they mean.
Just so you know, calling people racists just doesn’t carry the same weight it once did…you liberals have overplayed that fake hand far too much & now no one cares if they’re called one or not…
Looks like the data is useless because 40% of police departments did not report any data.
"In 2021, the FBI retired its nearly century-old national crime data collection program and switched to a new system — National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS) — that gathers more specific information on each incident.
Nearly 40% of law enforcement agencies around the country did not submit any data in 2021 to a newly revised FBI crime statistics collection program — the Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) program – leaving a massive gap in information sure to be exploited by politicians in midterm election campaigns already dominated by public fear over a rise in violent crime."
"In 2021, the FBI retired its nearly century-old national crime data collection program and switched to a new system — National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS) — that gathers more specific information on each incident.
Nearly 40% of law enforcement agencies around the country did not submit any data in 2021 to a newly revised FBI crime statistics collection program — the Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) program – leaving a massive gap in information sure to be exploited by politicians in midterm election campaigns already dominated by public fear over a rise in violent crime."
- Some of the largest police departments in the country, like the New York Police Department and the Los Angeles Police Department, were among the 40% of agencies that did not report any data.
Step 1) Start enforcing the current laws and holding criminals accountable. Too many people are let go without prosecution or sentenced lightly. If you tax crime you will get less of it.
step 2) Jobs. Make sure there are enough quality jobs for people to obtain. When people are working and making a nice living they value their life, property, and community much more.
Step 3) common goals. We need to have lofty goals that give people hope and keep people motivated and interested. This kind of goes hand in hand with jobs and people will have differencing opinions on what these goals should be.
The data is corrupted because crime is not reported the same in every community.
Definitely agree with #1 and 3 after spending time in both. #1 - Payment "optional" Walmarts and gas stations everywhere...
Well if you know nothing about the data then its pretty useless. And knowing what you don't know is knowing something
It is actually easy to imagine that. These lists are more or less per capita so while Chicago has bad overall numbers, it is still the 3rd largest city in the country.
St Louis got hit *hard* by people leaving for the suburbs around the city. Not just white flight either, but a lot of black residents moved out as well. Those suburbs are basically part of the city (think Ferguson) but technically not within the city. If I recall correctly, the part of IL directly across the river ain't much better either.
Post 90s/early 00s you aren't going to find many registered republicans running for office in cities. You still get some conservative Dems who are kinda republicans in some places (including Chicago) but due to the nature of each party's coalition/base the Democrats will dominate city politics. Shoot in a lot of places, such as NYC, its been that way since the early 1800s
100%. The Chicago narrative is way overblown. I’ve been to just about every major city in the country and have never felt unsafe in Chicago.
New Orleans, Birmingham, Atalanta? Different story.
A realistic map
Poor context. That wasn't an attempt to show overall republican voter prevalence. But rather the correlation between murderous counties and those that vote democrat. So my map was more accurate.
That's a great question. Imo there are 2 types of criminals:
1) just mentally unstable members of society who never got the help they needed (or due to drug use)
2) the poor who commit crimes to survive
Mental health is a huge issue in the country and is being addressed as best possible right now imo. Continuing to screen for and report suspected cases needs to continue. But you won't catch em all.
The poverty rate and the means by which some live is the biggest issue. Part of that can be addressed with #1 as poor can be as simple as a mindset. I've long thought our social programs dont do enough for the poor. They keep them alive and dependent. A program is needed to provide upwars movement for those born without much. Part of that solution would also be making sure ever child born into this country receives a birth gift from the government that includes multiple children's books to read and learn. The poverty rate, in my opinion, is directly linked to the literacy rate. And the crime rate is directly linked to the divorce/single parent household rate. So addressing these issues would be the foundation.
Probably per capita. More crime in relation to total population. Smaller towns can have a sudden burst of crime and it makes the city look terrible when using per capita figures. Total crime might actually pale in comparison to larger cities.
3) The people who commit crimes just because they can.
There are tons of people who steal etc because it's a shortcut and they are lazy. They are not mentally ill or poor.
Savannah was once on that list.
Baltimore in the late 90's was a war zone.
3 friends of mine, the only people I knew who lived there, were all mugged.
Baltimore in the late 90's was a war zone.
3 friends of mine, the only people I knew who lived there, were all mugged.
Is the inclination that democrats are more prone to violent offenses?
Or is it more likely that cities where people are stacked on top of each other and where people are often living paycheck to paycheck are more prone to crime?
With all due respect, i think you are mistaken. City living is FULL of white collar criminals. Shit "falls off the truck" all the time. There is a "guy" for everything.
What, in your mind, is the causation of this correlation?D vs. R counties:
Murder rate by county:
See a pattern?
I don’t know what the precise reason is. I just know that the maps line up shockingly close. And there are plenty of rural areas represented, so it’s not people stacked on top of each other. Poverty probably has something to do with it.
I’m going to guess poverty is one factor. Poor people are more likely to vote dem and more likely to kill each other. Likely see a similar correlation with entitlement dependency.
Hard to tell exactly since the crime map doesn’t have state lines, but sure looks like an awful lot of that dark red runs through states that have traditionally voted Republican.
So if we are to say that the most likely cause of the correlation between democratic counties and high murder rates is the poverty among its citizens, what are we to say about the policies at the state level and what they’re doing to resolve the poverty issues leading to this crime?
Is it possible that such maps and attempts to correlate crime rates with political affiliation are generally disingenuous?
after all the time you spent there i can see why you would know.
how do you get this full of yourself? asking for a friend.
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