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FPOTUS Trump attempted assassination…

Why don't you guys just tag @24TIGER and ask him if this conspiracy stuff is silly or not. If he says it is not silly, then I will 100% change my tune and defer to him. Maybe he will tell me it would be harder to get Trump at MAL as well. I know enough not to argue with a SME in these types of discussion and am always open to learning something new.

And hopefully it goes without saying that I don't want Trump or any other politician harmed. We defeat people we don't like at the ballot box, not with violence.
They believe everything is a conspiracy. It’s a thing with that group.
 
Imagine being so mind warped by this man that you would actually think Kamala is a viable leader.


Yet, here we are.

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Why don't you guys just tag @24TIGER and ask him if this conspiracy stuff is silly or not. If he says it is not silly, then I will 100% change my tune and defer to him. Maybe he will tell me it would be harder to get Trump at MAL as well. I know enough not to argue with a SME in these types of discussion and am always open to learning something new.

And hopefully it goes without saying that I don't want Trump or any other politician harmed. We defeat people we don't like at the ballot box, not with violence.
You don’t have to buy the conspiracy theory angle to find your argument stupid.
 
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General Washington is rolling in his grave at Mt. Vernon

Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Grant, Teddy R, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, Reagan, Bush 41…even Bill Clinton..

Now? What hath God wrought?

I love our country and served 28 years to defend her…but I’m not overly optimistic.

The best this Nation has to offer is Donald Trump vs Kamala Harris?

God help us all.
 
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General Washington is rolling in his grave at Mt. Vernon

Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Grant, Teddy R, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, Reagan, Bush 41…even Bill Clinton..

Now? What hath God wrought?

I love our country and served 28 years to defend her…but I’m not overly optimistic.

The best this Nation has to offer is Donald Trump vs Kamala Harris?

God help us all.
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If I'm the deep state and someone asks me will it be easier to get a killshot at a rally or sneak someone into MAL for a close shot I'm definitely going with the latter. Understand your points about the amount of variables at a rally, but we know from the documents case that security measures at MAL are far weaker than the average rally stop. Someone more familiar with his detail could expound, but I'm guessing he doesn't have snipers posted up in every room at MAL. Hell, you could get close to him with a knife in that setting if you didn't mind getting blasted as well. It would not be hard for someone to print up a BS lanyard or get in with the kitchen staff/cleaning crew and find themselves within close proximity.

Don't let me stand in the way of a conspiracy theory, though.
I'm not sure what the documents case has to do with it, but if you think it's harder to defend a private residence with invited guests than an outdoor venue open to the public - you just lack intelligence.
I'm not suggesting there was some deep state assassination plot, btw. Just commenting on the absurdity of it being harder to defend MAR than 100 acres around a public event with thousands of people.
 
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Shrapnel from several fragmented rounds nearly killed me. That’s kind of a distinction without a difference.
Sure, I just think the people in this thread who are going with the conspiracy theories might find the lack of clarity interesting.
 
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General Washington is rolling in his grave at Mt. Vernon

Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Grant, Teddy R, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, Reagan, Bush 41…even Bill Clinton..

Now? What hath God wrought?

I love our country and served 28 years to defend her…but I’m not overly optimistic.

The best this Nation has to offer is Donald Trump vs Kamala Harris?

God help us all.
I feel like people have been saying some variation of this for a long time honestly.

One of my uncles who is a Clemson man told me during Bush vs Gore "son, if this is the best we can do then tuck your head between your legs and kiss your sweet ass goodbye." I've always remembered that because he said it in such a funny way, and he is a staunch Republican.
 
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General Washington is rolling in his grave at Mt. Vernon

Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Grant, Teddy R, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, Reagan, Bush 41…even Bill Clinton..

Now? What hath God wrought?

I love our country and served 28 years to defend her…but I’m not overly optimistic.

The best this Nation has to offer is Donald Trump vs Kamala Harris?

God help us all.
Take it beyond the personalities.

The Republicans held a robust primary with lots of candidates who participated in public debates and their voters picked Trump. The Democrats didn't want a repeat of the cycle when Bernie gave Hilliary a run for their money so they chose not to have a robust primary (no public debates) and their voters picked Biden.

Right before the RNC, Trump has an assassination attempt. Meanwhile, the Democratic elites, large donors and Hollywood come clean on Biden's diminished mental acuity and despite the Americans voting for him, they usher Biden out the door. Harris comes in that door without having to navigate one primary vote.

Personalities come and go, but when institutional processes provide no safeguards, the democratic republican form of government is at peril. In a working model, the media would call this out and protect liberty, but the media is picking a side and that will hasten the demise of liberty.

God is the only hope for America's salvation. Not sure how we got here, but I agree our Founding Fathers would not approve.
 
Personalities come and go, but when institutional processes provide no safeguards, the democratic republican form of government is at peril. In a working model, the media would call this out and protect liberty, but the media is picking a side and that will hasten the demise of liberty.
I mean this is pretty rich coming from someone who is attempting to prop up the Republican party as the protector of democracy. The Republican party is not the party of Reagan, Bush, etc. and has basically expunged all moderates and people who don't throw in with the extremism that is the cult of personality via Trumpism.

Trump literally tried to overthrow our free and fair election. He called and pressured the officials in Georgia to find votes that didn't exist, his staffers hatched fake elector schemes in multiple states, and he tried to get his VP to interrupt the peaceful transition of power to the point of siccing a crowd of deplorables on The Capitol who attacked police, smeared feces on the walls, and chanted "Hang Mike Pence" some 60 feet away from the VP and his family as Secret Service rushed them out.

Trump is already saying that he won't honor the results of this election unless he wins of course. He has alluded to staying for a third term and said he would like to be able to hold elections anytime he wants. There's a reason 40 of 44 former cabinet members including his own VP have refused to endorse him, and this Heritage Foundation bullshit they call Project 2025 will seek to interrupt democratic processes while installing Trump loyalists. He won't have the cabinet members who acted as human guardrails from the first term. This time he'll have a bunch of cronies like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller and hell probably the damn My Pillow crackhead.
 
I mean this is pretty rich coming from someone who is attempting to prop up the Republican party as the protector of democracy. The Republican party is not the party of Reagan, Bush, etc. and has basically expunged all moderates and people who don't throw in with the extremism that is the cult of personality via Trumpism.

Trump literally tried to overthrow our free and fair election. He called and pressured the officials in Georgia to find votes that didn't exist, his staffers hatched fake elector schemes in multiple states, and he tried to get his VP to interrupt the peaceful transition of power to the point of siccing a crowd of deplorables on The Capitol who attacked police, smeared feces on the walls, and chanted "Hang Mike Pence" some 60 feet away from the VP and his family as Secret Service rushed them out.

Trump is already saying that he won't honor the results of this election unless he wins of course. He has alluded to staying for a third term and said he would like to be able to hold elections anytime he wants. There's a reason 40 of 44 former cabinet members including his own VP have refused to endorse him, and this Heritage Foundation bullshit they call Project 2025 will seek to interrupt democratic processes while installing Trump loyalists. He won't have the cabinet members who acted as human guardrails from the first term. This time he'll have a bunch of cronies like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller and hell probably the damn My Pillow crackhead.
Just was is Trump "extreme" on? Immigration?
 
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General Washington is rolling in his grave at Mt. Vernon

Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Grant, Teddy R, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, Reagan, Bush 41…even Bill Clinton..

Now? What hath God wrought?

I love our country and served 28 years to defend her…but I’m not overly optimistic.

The best this Nation has to offer is Donald Trump vs Kamala Harris?

God help us all.
Ehh...I remember when Ronald Reagan was mocked as some "cowboy actor", and that turned out pretty good. Same for Dabo Swinney..."he wasn't even a coordinator!". Perhaps not ideal but we have had career politcians fall flat on their face too. Who really knows what the secret sauce is, and when it is called for.
 
That's a good question. Someone should ask Trump why he claimed it was a bullet rather than a fragment of something else.
How would Trump know? Someone nearly put a bullet through his head. We’ve got a still-frame photo of that fact. The obvious assumption would certainly be the bullet. That would be much less random than a piece of aluminum from the stands. But I can’t see why that detail would matter at all.
 
How would Trump know? Someone nearly put a bullet through his head. The obvious assumption would certainly be the bullet. That would be much less random than a piece of aluminum from the stands. But I can’t see why that detail would matter at all.
You can't see why it would matter when Trump is going around saying he took a bullet for this country?
 
You can't see why it would matter when Trump is going around saying he took a bullet for this country?

I honestly don’t understand why it matters. It was pretty obvious based on the pictures that a bullet grazed really close to him.

How would anyone ever know what grazed him?

Also, I don’t really follow politics, so no clue what Trump says. But he obviously didn’t take a bullet for this country. It was an assassination attempt.
 
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Just was is Trump "extreme" on? Immigration?
No he torpedoed the bill authored by Republican Langford from OK because he didn't want Biden to look good, so I don't think he's really actually tough on it, at least at that border.

More stuff like the following...

pulling out of NATO
kissing up to autocrats like Putin and Orban
being in bed with Heritage Foundation nutjobs
refusing to acknowledge he lost 2020 election
putting his SIL, both sons, and daughter in WH roles
installing his DIL as RNC co-chair
funneling RNC funds to his legal cases
Muslim ban
disastrous tariffs
overturning Roe v Wade
picking a VP who wants to end no-fault divorces and that battered wives should remain in marriages
considering IVF/contraception bans
claiming climate change isn't real
dining with avowed Neo-nazis at MAL
fundamentally downplaying science including saying he will defund schools that require ordinary vaccines

to say nothing of all his court cases and horribly unfit personality.
 
While I find the statement grossly self-aggrandizing, have we established that he didn't?
No, that has not been established. I'm just making the point that it definitely should be established, and that it definitely does matter.
 
No, that has not been established. I'm just making the point that it definitely should be established, and that it definitely does matter.
Agree to disagree. If a shooter shot a gas tank behind a president and the explosion killed the president instead of the bullet, does it really matter? It was still an assassination and death from the result of a gunshot imo.

From the still-shot photo of the bullet about to hit him and angle of his head to the shooter, seems most likely it was the bullet. But I don’t know how anyone would ever actually know unless something was embedded in his ear. If something grazed him, it would be difficult to know for certain what grazed him.
 
Agree to disagree. If a shooter shot a gas tank behind a president and the explosion killed the president instead of the bullet, does it really matter? It was still an assassination and death from the result of a gunshot imo.

From the still-shot photo of the bullet about to hit him and angle of his head to the shooter, seems most likely it was the bullet. But I don’t know how anyone would ever actually know unless something was embedded in his ear. If something grazed him, it would be difficult to know for certain what grazed him.
if that photo is real , then the bullet had passed him, at least from the aerial depiction i saw.
 
I mean this is pretty rich coming from someone who is attempting to prop up the Republican party as the protector of democracy. The Republican party is not the party of Reagan, Bush, etc. and has basically expunged all moderates and people who don't throw in with the extremism that is the cult of personality via Trumpism.

Trump literally tried to overthrow our free and fair election. He called and pressured the officials in Georgia to find votes that didn't exist, his staffers hatched fake elector schemes in multiple states, and he tried to get his VP to interrupt the peaceful transition of power to the point of siccing a crowd of deplorables on The Capitol who attacked police, smeared feces on the walls, and chanted "Hang Mike Pence" some 60 feet away from the VP and his family as Secret Service rushed them out.

Trump is already saying that he won't honor the results of this election unless he wins of course. He has alluded to staying for a third term and said he would like to be able to hold elections anytime he wants. There's a reason 40 of 44 former cabinet members including his own VP have refused to endorse him, and this Heritage Foundation bullshit they call Project 2025 will seek to interrupt democratic processes while installing Trump loyalists. He won't have the cabinet members who acted as human guardrails from the first term. This time he'll have a bunch of cronies like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller and hell probably the damn My Pillow crackhead.
well said and all true.
 
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