FPOTUS Trump attempted assassination…

[castlesl]

The only source on the fragments was the police on the scene that day. And now yesterday the director of the FBI says there is some question as to whether or not he was struck by a bullet.

I don't disagree with your post, and it doesn’t mitigate the fact that he was shot at (in all likelihood). But, Trump damn well knows the power of that story, and the imagery surrounding it, is greater if he took a bullet rather than merely being hit by a flying fragment of something. His ear is apparently totally undamaged based on photo evidence of his appearances this week.

Did you really qualify your statement with “in all likelihood” as if there is some other remote possibilty that the shooter was not in fact trying to shoot Trump?

Also - the only photos of an undamaged ear that are being circulated are being debunked by national media as being several years old.

 

[castlesl]

No he torpedoed the bill authored by Republican Langford from OK because he didn't want Biden to look good, so I don't think he's really actually tough on it, at least at that border.

More stuff like the following...

pulling out of NATO
kissing up to autocrats like Putin and Orban
being in bed with Heritage Foundation nutjobs
refusing to acknowledge he lost 2020 election
putting his SIL, both sons, and daughter in WH roles
installing his DIL as RNC co-chair
funneling RNC funds to his legal cases
Muslim ban
disastrous tariffs
overturning Roe v Wade
picking a VP who wants to end no-fault divorces and that battered wives should remain in marriages
considering IVF/contraception bans
claiming climate change isn't real
dining with avowed Neo-nazis at MAL
fundamentally downplaying science including saying he will defund schools that require ordinary vaccines

to say nothing of all his court cases and horribly unfit personality.

You just regergitate MSNBC talking points.

Trump has never advocated for pulling out of NATO. If so, why didn’t he when he was President? He has pushed the members of NATO to properly fund the organization and to spend the agreed upon amounts to bolster their own defenses. It isn’t the Job of the US to provide for the military defense for everyone. Many if not most of the NATO members have not invested in their own defense and DJT is wright to call that out.

No one that is sane would say Trump wasn’t tough on the boarder. He had to fight the dems in court to put up sections of wall in the south west, he was finally able to do it, but they fought him every step of the way. The mere fact that over 9 million people have entered this country illegally through the southern boarder in the last 4 years and it was a fraction of that during Trump’s administration, should be enough to prove you don’t know what you are talking about.

Your list proves that you believe what you want to believe and much of it simply isn’t rooted in reality.

 

[SMS]

@24TIGER I'm sorry if I missed it, but did you mention your thoughts as to why USSS didn't put a sniper on that water tower in the background? Thanks in advance for your insight.

 

[okclem]

Did you really qualify your statement with “in all likelihood” as if there is some other remote possibilty that the shooter was not in fact trying to shoot Trump?

Also - the only photos of an undamaged ear that are being circulated are being debunked by national media as being several years old.

Yes

 

[Whenry]

Yes

Well, at least now we know you’re trolling. You had us going there for a little bit.

 

[castlesl]

Yes

What other reason is remotely possible that the shooter was on the roof with a gun shooting in Trumps Direction?

 

[leetp]

I'm so tired of people trying to qualify themselves as impartial and then proceeding to parrot the exact talking points of one side or the other.

@Solid Orange Blood

Absolutely no one is impartial.

 

[metiger01]

If you didn’t care when the GOP explicitly did it in 2020 but now you do when the DNC does it implicitly in 2024 then I don’t give a shit what you call yourself, you lack intellectual and ideological consistency and you’re nothing more than a dog tied to someone else’s chain who mistakenly believes that he’s really a free thinker.

The constitution makes no assertions as to how intraparty politics are to function. The constitution doesn’t even mention political parties.

Cool, and Trump got 18 million votes, a primary record for an incumbent president. Who was legitimately going to get more votes and thus delegates than him in the 4 states that canceled?

Now go ahead and tell the story of what the DNC did to Bernie Sanders in 2016, the candidate who was legitimately leading to get the nomination before they torpedoed him so they could install Hillary. Be sure to include the part about the young man working for the DNC who leaked the emails outlining the plan who ended up murdered.

 

[treetiger]

Not sure if anyone has watched any of the trial this week...most especially when the SS director was on stage but man...the lack of accountability and the lack of acknowledging facts made it extremely suspect.

She literally was either the most unprepared person every in her position to answer questions or she did not want to answer questions. It was unreal...and this was coming at her from both parties. She did not know zero facts, have any documents or information to refer to...just looked absolutely ignorant

She was a DEI hire. A female and a lesbian. She wants (or wanted) to change the diversity of the Secret Service to make it 30% women, and likely more LBGT people as well. Hopefully that plan is cancelled…And this is not just speculation, and things she said and did, but also via a good Secret Service contact...

 

[syarbor]

First of all, candidates withdrawing isn’t an equivalent to the party apparatchiks outright cancelling primary elections so no one can vote against their guy. You might want to brush up on how the 2020 Democratic primary went down. Biden was considered DOA until his massive win in the SC primary. Buttigieg and Klobuchar were the only candidates with any delegates to drop out prior to Super Tuesday and both were severely disadvantaged by the time they withdrew. What you’re describing with low viability candidates exiting and the field narrowing to coalesce around a handful of legitimate challengers is just the fundamental mechanic of a primary election.

There were states that actually canceled primaries? While still multiple candidates? Which ones? I did not pay attention.

No one was beating Trump or even coming close before the field dropped from what I can tell.

Like it or not Buttigieg and Klobuchar were legit challengers that had won prior primaries (Buttigieg) and delegates (klubuchar). No they weren't gong to win but they were still racking up votes. This wasn't Steyer or Gabbard who had nothing. Buttigieg was ahead of Warren when he dropped. Klobuchar was one delegate behind her. Doubt many candidates in their standing have ever dropped before super Tuesday. Maybe there's precedence - i don't know. But why not at least see it through? Buttigieg dropped Sunday not even 48hrs from super Tuesday. Klobuchar dropped Monday afternoon. She held a rally Monday morning and made no indication that she wouldn't continue to Tuesday. She was hours away from the Super Tuesday primary in MN - her home state - where she was leading in the polls!!! Sanders was polling 2nd there. Guess who went on to win MN after the field was stacked just right - Biden.

Surely the Buttigeig and Klobuchar campaigns could afforded a few hours more. There's no way those two campaigns just independently dropped hours before the biggest day of the primaries. My bet is the party 'encouraged' after them to drop after Sanders gave them a scare in 2016 and I doubt the same encouragement was given to Warren.

Edited to add more info on the Klobuchar campaign.

 

[tboonpickens]

Your list proves that you believe what you want to believe and much of it simply isn’t rooted in reality.

Huh?

pulling out of NATO- Trump has made comments about this subject numerous times, including saying that he would tell Putin to do "whatever the hell he wants" to NATO members.

kissing up to autocrats like Putin and Orban- Trump has had Orban at MAL at least twice and told the whole world while at the summit in Europe that he trusted Putin's intel over his own agencies. He regularly talks about his admiration for "strongmen" and last week was doing the same with Jinping.

being in bed with Heritage Foundation nutjobs- he's all over the place with this now that there's been such tremendous blowback to their idiotic agenda, but he's appeared at their functions and been on stage thanking their leaders numerous times. The guy that used to carry his bag for him in the WH as a close personal assistant is on staff there in a prominent role, and one outlet uncovered 140 people who used to work in the Trump administration who have contributed to Project 2025 for the Heritage Foundation, including miscreants like Stephen Miller and Mark Meadows...but Trump doesn't know anything about it lol.

refusing to acknowledge he lost 2020 election- i mean DUH he says this crap all the time

putting his SIL, both sons, and daughter in WH roles- do you really want to question me on this one? most people would find installing your family in the WH as weird, but it's just another day in the MAGA cult. Meanwhile his SIL magically gets a $2B nest egg from the people who helped plan 9/11 when he leaves office. nothing suspicious there.

installing his DIL as RNC co-chair- again, are you disputing a literal fact here? anyone outside the cult finds it highly questionable to install the Botox lady in such a role within the RNC.

funneling RNC funds to his legal cases- this has been well documented repeatedly, which isn't shocking considering who he put in as co-chair. Other downstream Rs have voiced concerns that their campaigns will suffer because so much of the money is being funneled to him.

Muslim ban- He literally created an executive order for this move during his first term and continues to say he will do it again. This info is easily verifiable. How do you even try to dispute it?

disastrous tariffs- Trump's tariffs that he put in place in his first term have been universally panned by economists, and it's estimated that Americans paid an extra $230 billion as a result of his tariffs. The tariffs were also responsible for a net loss in jobs in affected regions. Economists are warning that his new tariff plans would have similarly terrible economic consequences and likely contribute to increased inflation.

overturning Roe v Wade- he brags about this all the time, and we know that the majority of Americans disagree with this position. the fact that a godless heathen who banged a pornstar without protection spearheaded this reversal is the coup de grace.

picking a VP who wants to end no-fault divorces and that battered wives should remain in marriages- JD Vance is literally on video and in print espousing these positions. How is that not factual? He literally said these things more than once.

considering IVF/contraception bans- Trump is once again on the record as saying he will consider these things. Straight from the horse's mouth in interviews. He's all over the place because he lies like he breathes, so I have seen him deny it occasionally, but then he also confirms it depending on the day and his whims.

claiming climate change isn't real- Trump literally called the concept of climate change a "hoax" during a live Fox News interview and has repeated that claim many other places. In 2018 he made news by saying he didn't believe his own government's report warning about issues related to climate change.

dining with avowed Neo-nazis at MAL- In November of 2022, Trump dined with Nick Fuentes who is an avowed white nationalist and Holocaust denyer at MAL. He has long had an association with the Proud Boys, so this wasn't out of character for him. Again, this is a literal fact.

fundamentally downplaying science including saying he will defund schools that require ordinary vaccine- He has been repeating the line about defunding schools for over a year now. His PR initially claimed he was only talking about Covid, but Trump has since then blurred the lines and extended his rhetoric to all vaccines, with health officials saying such a move would be disastrous in keeping diseases that have been largely eradicated for decades at bay.

I've been told facts don't care about your feelings. Sometimes the truth hurts. It frequently does for Trump.

 

[okclem]

Well, at least now we know you’re trolling. You had us going there for a little bit.

I'm not trolling.

 

[okclem]

What other reason is remotely possible that the shooter was on the roof with a gun shooting in Trumps Direction?

Listen, when this first happened 99% of people jumped to the conclusion that this was a liberal who hated Trump. It seemed self evident until it wasn't. I'm not assuming anything more at this point until it all shakes out in an investigation.

 

[Steven15]

Huh?

pulling out of NATO- Trump has made comments about this subject numerous times, including saying that he would tell Putin to do "whatever the hell he wants" to NATO members.

kissing up to autocrats like Putin and Orban- Trump has had Orban at MAL at least twice and told the whole world while at the summit in Europe that he trusted Putin's intel over his own agencies. He regularly talks about his admiration for "strongmen" and last week was doing the same with Jinping.

being in bed with Heritage Foundation nutjobs- he's all over the place with this now that there's been such tremendous blowback to their idiotic agenda, but he's appeared at their functions and been on stage thanking their leaders numerous times. The guy that used to carry his bag for him in the WH as a close personal assistant is on staff there in a prominent role, and one outlet uncovered 140 people who used to work in the Trump administration who have contributed to Project 2025 for the Heritage Foundation, including miscreants like Stephen Miller and Mark Meadows...but Trump doesn't know anything about it lol.

refusing to acknowledge he lost 2020 election- i mean DUH he says this crap all the time

putting his SIL, both sons, and daughter in WH roles- do you really want to question me on this one? most people would find installing your family in the WH as weird, but it's just another day in the MAGA cult. Meanwhile his SIL magically gets a $2B nest egg from the people who helped plan 9/11 when he leaves office. nothing suspicious there.

installing his DIL as RNC co-chair- again, are you disputing a literal fact here? anyone outside the cult finds it highly questionable to install the Botox lady in such a role within the RNC.

funneling RNC funds to his legal cases- this has been well documented repeatedly, which isn't shocking considering who he put in as co-chair. Other downstream Rs have voiced concerns that their campaigns will suffer because so much of the money is being funneled to him.

Muslim ban- He literally created an executive order for this move during his first term and continues to say he will do it again. This info is easily verifiable. How do you even try to dispute it?

disastrous tariffs- Trump's tariffs that he put in place in his first term have been universally panned by economists, and it's estimated that Americans paid an extra $230 billion as a result of his tariffs. The tariffs were also responsible for a net loss in jobs in affected regions. Economists are warning that his new tariff plans would have similarly terrible economic consequences and likely contribute to increased inflation.

overturning Roe v Wade- he brags about this all the time, and we know that the majority of Americans disagree with this position. the fact that a godless heathen who banged a pornstar without protection spearheaded this reversal is the coup de grace.

picking a VP who wants to end no-fault divorces and that battered wives should remain in marriages- JD Vance is literally on video and in print espousing these positions. How is that not factual? He literally said these things more than once.

considering IVF/contraception bans- Trump is once again on the record as saying he will consider these things. Straight from the horse's mouth in interviews. He's all over the place because he lies like he breathes, so I have seen him deny it occasionally, but then he also confirms it depending on the day and his whims.

claiming climate change isn't real- Trump literally called the concept of climate change a "hoax" during a live Fox News interview and has repeated that claim many other places. In 2018 he made news by saying he didn't believe his own government's report warning about issues related to climate change.

dining with avowed Neo-nazis at MAL- In November of 2022, Trump dined with Nick Fuentes who is an avowed white nationalist and Holocaust denyer at MAL. He has long had an association with the Proud Boys, so this wasn't out of character for him. Again, this is a literal fact.

fundamentally downplaying science including saying he will defund schools that require ordinary vaccine- He has been repeating the line about defunding schools for over a year now. His PR initially claimed he was only talking about Covid, but Trump has since then blurred the lines and extended his rhetoric to all vaccines, with health officials saying such a move would be disastrous in keeping diseases that have been largely eradicated for decades at bay.

I've been told facts don't care about your feelings. Sometimes the truth hurts. It frequently does for Trump.

So in your mind Trump "banned Muslims" and didn't even think to include the countries with the most Muslims?

 

[Cavitybacks]

Yes

It’s hard to take someone seriously if they truly doubt that Trump was the target.

Again, I don’t know why Trump is pulling for the bullet and (it seems) others are pulling for a small piece of the bullet. I fail to see any logic for a debate on either side.

Like if a bomb explodes, and people die from the building collapsing, isn’t that the same thing as the person who died from the explosion?

 

[okclem]

It’s hard to take someone seriously if they truly doubt that Trump was the target.

Again, I don’t know why Trump is pulling for the bullet and (it seems) others are pulling for a small piece of the bullet. I fail to see any logic for a debate on either side.

Like if a bomb explodes, and people die from the building collapsing, isn’t that the same thing as the person who died from the explosion?

I don't doubt it. I said in all likelihood. I just don't know it for certain, and neither do you.

 

[Cavitybacks]

I don't doubt it. I said in all likelihood. I just don't know it for certain, and neither do you.

I guess we could start a philosophical debate if anything in life is actually certain?!? (Outside of Dabo not taking transfers)

 

[Solid Orange Blood]

I'm so tired of people trying to qualify themselves as impartial and then proceeding to parrot the exact talking points of one side or the other.

@Solid Orange Blood

Yeah, we should just listen to one side of an argument and never listen/agree with any of the counterarguments presented before us. That's definitely a brilliant strategy to forming an educated opinion on any subject.

Echo chambers are the best.

 

[okclem]

I guess we could start a philosophical debate if anything in life is actually certain?!? (Outside of Dabo not taking transfers)

Good one, seriously.

And all I'm saying is the truth matters, and there's nothing wrong with trying to find out the truth.

 

[okclem]

Yeah, we should just listen to one side of an argument and never listen/agree with any of the counterarguments presented before us. That's definitely a brilliant strategy to forming an educated opinion on any subject.

Echo chambers are the best.

Because it has to be one or the other?

 

[Cavitybacks]

Good one, seriously.

And all I'm saying is the truth matters, and there's nothing wrong with trying to find out the truth.

How would you be satisfied that we now have the “truth”. That would be great, but I don’t think it’s possible.

What if the shooter didn’t mean to kill anyone, but accidentally put real bullets in instead of blanks? What if he was trying to shoot Trumps ear and actually succeeded?

We will never know either of those things because he is dead. I think everyone wants the truth. But I also think some people want the truth to be what they hope that the truth is and won’t be happy until they receive their version of the truth.

The only facts we know is that this dude shot a gun and 3 people were seriously injured/killed due to the gunshots and a former president was very mildly injured due to a gunshot.

 

[okclem]

How would you be satisfied that we now have the “truth”. That would be great, but I don’t think it’s possible.

What if the shooter didn’t mean to kill anyone, but accidentally put real bullets in instead of blanks? What if he was trying to shoot Trumps ear and actually succeeded?

We will never know either of those things because he is dead.

Police don't stop looking for every detail and fact in an investigation just because the perpetrator died in the commission of the crime. The fact that it was a candidate for POTUS only adds to the necessity of getting to as much of the truth of the matter that they possibly can.

You, or anyone, are never going to persuade me by arguing the truth isn't relevant.

 

[Cavitybacks]

Police don't stop looking for every detail and fact in an investigation just because the perpetrator died in the commission of the crime. The fact that it was a candidate for POTUS only adds to the necessity of getting to as much of the truth of the matter that they possibly can.

You, or anyone, are never going to persuade me by arguing the truth isn't relevant.

I think the truth is extremely relevant and absolutely needs investigating.

I just think the part of the investigation with the least relevance is whether or not a bullet or bullet fragment hit Trump’s ear.

That’s the only part of this entire story that I fail to understand the relevance of. I feel like some republicans really hope it was the bullet while some democrats really hope it was half of the bullet.

I’d love to know that detail, but that detail seems completely irrelevant when compared to everything else. Like how in the hell the dude was able to chill on a roof and get a clear shot.

 

[tboonpickens]

So in your mind Trump "banned Muslims" and didn't even think to include the countries with the most Muslims?

He's the one that called it a "Muslim ban" and still continues to use that language today. If you think he's lying, take it up with him.

Executive Order 13769, titled Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States, labeled the "Muslim ban" by Donald Trump and his supporters[1][2] and critics alike,[3][4] and commonly known as such,[5] or commonly referred to as the Trump travel ban, or Trump Muslim travel ban, was an executive order by President Trump.

During his initial election campaign Trump had proposed a temporary, conditional, and "total and complete" ban on Muslims entering the United States.[32][38][39][40] His proposal was met by opposition by U.S. politicians including Mike Pence and James Mattis.[38][41]

 

[okclem]

I think the truth is extremely relevant and absolutely needs investigating.

I just think the part of the investigation with the least relevance is whether or not a bullet or bullet fragment hit Trump’s ear.

That’s the only part of this entire story that I fail to understand the relevance of. I feel like some republicans really hope it was the bullet while some democrats really hope it was half of the bullet.

I’d love to know that detail, but that detail seems completely irrelevant when compared to everything else. Like how in the hell the dude was able to chill on a roof and get a clear shot.

All good, man. I just happen to believe it isn't the least relevant aspect of this incident.

 

[Solid Orange Blood]

Because it has to be one or the other?

No. The truth is more nuanced than left or right: it's just truth. Both teams, as well as the middle of the road types, will morph the truth into something that suits their particular ideology to bolster their own preconceived notions.

We've allowed ourselves to let others define what truth is rather than seek it out for ourselves. I'm just someone who sees it out and I always hope that I can change my beliefs when presented with hard truths.

 

[chipp1027]

May end up being the case. I don’t know. Everyone is reporting what there is to report - testimony from a single source. That source may be correct. It also may not be. The frustrating thing is, it should be fairly easy to determine.

That said, if it was shrapnel from a fragmented bullet - again - I really fail to see how that matters. Being hit by a projectile fired from a firearm = getting shot. If it is a fragment of something else that the bullet hit, it should be fairly obvious what that was from a cursory search of the stage/area around where trump was standing based on the flight path/trajectory of the bullet.

Agreed. I can’t comprehend anyone from either side watching that assassination attempt on video and come away with belittling the moment as @okclem continues to do. As if getting shot at from 130 yards and clearly coming within inches or less of his life and without a doubt getting hit by bullet or shrapnel or bullet fragments isn’t enough for him. The ultimate agenda is to cast doubt by belittling the moment and somehow casting disbelief on the entire event. It’s a ridiculous take regardless of who was shot and regardless from what side.

 

[chipp1027]

Yes

Absolutely ridiculous. You clearly have an agenda

 

[okclem]

Agreed. I can’t comprehend anyone from either side watching that assassination attempt on video and come away with belittling the moment as @okclem continues to do. As if getting shot at from 130 yards and clearly coming within inches or less of his life and without a doubt getting hit by bullet or shrapnel or bullet fragments isn’t enough for him. The ultimate agenda is to cast doubt by belittling the moment and somehow casting disbelief on the entire event. It’s a ridiculous take regardless of who was shot and regardless from what side.

It ain't just me. There is a groundswell of people calling for more transparency on this. People who tell me the truth doesn't matter are people I cease to trust or take all that seriously.

 

[okclem]

Absolutely ridiculous. You clearly have an agenda

What is my agenda, if it's so clear?

 

[Orange Machine]

Agreed. I can’t comprehend anyone from either side watching that assassination attempt on video and come away with belittling the moment as @okclem continues to do. As if getting shot at from 130 yards and clearly coming within inches or less of his life and without a doubt getting hit by bullet or shrapnel or bullet fragments isn’t enough for him. The ultimate agenda is to cast doubt by belittling the moment and somehow casting disbelief on the entire event. It’s a ridiculous take regardless of who was shot and regardless from what side.

Many people in this world have no common sense

 

[chipp1027]

What is my agenda, if it's so clear?

To belittle the moment, cast doubt and make your enemy - in this case Trump out to be lying about getting shot. I mean you can see it with your own eyes. There is video evidence. You don’t even have to take anyone’s word for it. I have learned way more about the whole event by watching the video than I have from any “investigation”. The FBI Director wasn’t sure 13 days after the event if the gun had a scope. Just laughable. A picture is worth a thousand words.

 

[castlesl]

Listen, when this first happened 99% of people jumped to the conclusion that this was a liberal who hated Trump. It seemed self evident until it wasn't. I'm not assuming anything more at this point until it all shakes out in an investigation.

Don’t have any idea what his rationale was for trying to kill Trump, I suspect he had serious mental issues. However, I have no doubt his intentions were to kill Trump. Anyone who does doubt that is not someone I would consider to posses a level of intelligence worthy of conversing with.

 

[castlesl]

Huh?

pulling out of NATO- Trump has made comments about this subject numerous times, including saying that he would tell Putin to do "whatever the hell he wants" to NATO members.

kissing up to autocrats like Putin and Orban- Trump has had Orban at MAL at least twice and told the whole world while at the summit in Europe that he trusted Putin's intel over his own agencies. He regularly talks about his admiration for "strongmen" and last week was doing the same with Jinping.

being in bed with Heritage Foundation nutjobs- he's all over the place with this now that there's been such tremendous blowback to their idiotic agenda, but he's appeared at their functions and been on stage thanking their leaders numerous times. The guy that used to carry his bag for him in the WH as a close personal assistant is on staff there in a prominent role, and one outlet uncovered 140 people who used to work in the Trump administration who have contributed to Project 2025 for the Heritage Foundation, including miscreants like Stephen Miller and Mark Meadows...but Trump doesn't know anything about it lol.

refusing to acknowledge he lost 2020 election- i mean DUH he says this crap all the time

putting his SIL, both sons, and daughter in WH roles- do you really want to question me on this one? most people would find installing your family in the WH as weird, but it's just another day in the MAGA cult. Meanwhile his SIL magically gets a $2B nest egg from the people who helped plan 9/11 when he leaves office. nothing suspicious there.

installing his DIL as RNC co-chair- again, are you disputing a literal fact here? anyone outside the cult finds it highly questionable to install the Botox lady in such a role within the RNC.

funneling RNC funds to his legal cases- this has been well documented repeatedly, which isn't shocking considering who he put in as co-chair. Other downstream Rs have voiced concerns that their campaigns will suffer because so much of the money is being funneled to him.

Muslim ban- He literally created an executive order for this move during his first term and continues to say he will do it again. This info is easily verifiable. How do you even try to dispute it?

disastrous tariffs- Trump's tariffs that he put in place in his first term have been universally panned by economists, and it's estimated that Americans paid an extra $230 billion as a result of his tariffs. The tariffs were also responsible for a net loss in jobs in affected regions. Economists are warning that his new tariff plans would have similarly terrible economic consequences and likely contribute to increased inflation.

overturning Roe v Wade- he brags about this all the time, and we know that the majority of Americans disagree with this position. the fact that a godless heathen who banged a pornstar without protection spearheaded this reversal is the coup de grace.

picking a VP who wants to end no-fault divorces and that battered wives should remain in marriages- JD Vance is literally on video and in print espousing these positions. How is that not factual? He literally said these things more than once.

considering IVF/contraception bans- Trump is once again on the record as saying he will consider these things. Straight from the horse's mouth in interviews. He's all over the place because he lies like he breathes, so I have seen him deny it occasionally, but then he also confirms it depending on the day and his whims.

claiming climate change isn't real- Trump literally called the concept of climate change a "hoax" during a live Fox News interview and has repeated that claim many other places. In 2018 he made news by saying he didn't believe his own government's report warning about issues related to climate change.

dining with avowed Neo-nazis at MAL- In November of 2022, Trump dined with Nick Fuentes who is an avowed white nationalist and Holocaust denyer at MAL. He has long had an association with the Proud Boys, so this wasn't out of character for him. Again, this is a literal fact.

fundamentally downplaying science including saying he will defund schools that require ordinary vaccine- He has been repeating the line about defunding schools for over a year now. His PR initially claimed he was only talking about Covid, but Trump has since then blurred the lines and extended his rhetoric to all vaccines, with health officials saying such a move would be disastrous in keeping diseases that have been largely eradicated for decades at bay.

I've been told facts don't care about your feelings. Sometimes the truth hurts. It frequently does for Trump.

You are entitled to your beliefs even if they are not rooted in any reasonable truth. You take snippets and make them out to be what you want them to be without context.

Again, why didn’t Trump pull out of NATO like you claim he wants to?

Trump Said he would tell Putin to do what ever the hell he wants to those that didn’t spend the 2% that is required on their own defense. Many spend less than half of what they are supposed to.

It is called bluster, he is trying to motivate NATO members to spend for their own defense. He isn’t pulling out of NATO.

 

[okclem]

To belittle the moment, cast doubt and make your enemy - in this case Trump out to be lying about getting shot. I mean you can see it with your own eyes. There is video evidence. You don’t even have to take anyone’s word for it. I have learned way more about the whole event by watching the video than I have from any “investigation”. The FBI Director wasn’t sure 13 days after the event if the gun had a scope. Just laughable. A picture is worth a thousand words.

Okay. I respect your opinion. I just don't share it.

 

[okclem]

Don’t have any idea what his rationale was for trying to kill Trump, I suspect he had serious mental issues. However, I have no doubt his intentions were to kill Trump. Anyone who does doubt that is not someone I would consider to posses a level of intelligence worthy of conversing with.

I guess you know what to do then.

 

[tboonpickens]

You are entitled to your beliefs even if they are not rooted in any reasonable truth. You take snippets and make them out to be what you want them to be without context.

Again, why didn’t Trump pull out of NATO like you claim he wants to?

Trump Said he would tell Putin to do what ever the hell he wants to those that didn’t spend the 2% that is required on their own defense. Many spend less than half of what they are supposed to.

It is called bluster, he is trying to motivate NATO members to spend for their own defense. He isn’t pulling out of NATO.

You're trying to parse my one bullet point about his stated intentions with regard to NATO and giving him credit for not being able to act on them unilaterally yet while acting like he's merely sabre rattling towards other members. I mean let's leave out the part about the irony of a man who has declared bankruptcy ~5 times to avoid creditors and still has a trail of unpaid bills (including Rudy G's legal bill lol) lecturing anyone else about paying their fair share.

You then are attempting to smear the rest of my list as partisan hackery, when the items I included are easily provable via his own words or actions.

I figured the list was long enough without linking citations for every bullet, but go ahead and pick another bullet you find issue with and I'll be happy to link sourcing for it. We can go through the whole list item by item if you like.

 

[TigerTripp11]

You're trying to parse my one bullet point about his stated intentions with regard to NATO and giving him credit for not being able to act on them unilaterally yet while acting like he's merely sabre rattling towards other members. I mean let's leave out the part about the irony of a man who has declared bankruptcy ~5 times to avoid creditors and still has a trail of unpaid bills (including Rudy G's legal bill lol) lecturing anyone else about paying their fair share.

You then are attempting to smear the rest of my list as partisan hackery, when the items I included are easily provable via his own words or actions.

I figured the list was long enough without linking citations for every bullet, but go ahead and pick another bullet you find issue with and I'll be happy to link sourcing for it. We can go through the whole list item by item if you like.

You are crazy if you think Trumps tariffs made people spend more money. Mabe other countries, but my business was much better under Trump. America is a disaster right now.

 

[tboonpickens]

You are crazy if you think Trumps tariffs made people spend more money. Mabe other countries, but my business was much better under Trump. America is a disaster right now.

If you want to use anecdotal evidence, my company is doing much better under Biden. America's economy is thriving. The stock market is setting records, unemployment is near record lows, and home values are way up. How are your 401k and other investment portfolios doing? Mine are doing very well.

 

[Cabotiger]

What is my agenda, if it's so clear?

Idiocy!