Drink every time you hear. "Threat to democracy".
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FPOTUS Trump attempted assassination…
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Drink every time you hear. "Threat to democracy".
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Before you get too high on your own flatus there, remember that the GOP outright cancelled a bunch of state primaries in 2020 to protect Trump’s path to the nomination. The GOP “primary” this year was little more than controlled opposition with Haley being the only candidate even willing to criticize herr fuhrer at all.
Someone tried to kill the man. The reports have all said he was shot in the ear. Joy Reid is the one who started the rumor that it was debris from a monitor or something.
You assume that I'm a Republican party loyalist, that's your first mistake. I'm a Libertarian, but to make my vote count I have to pick a party.
When EITHER party doesn't go through the processes and works behind the scenes to nullify the People in a way the cripples a process, that concerns me.
America's only protection is integrity to its systems and hopes to get beyond personalities. Personalities are limited in term, but changed processes change the form of government.
The Constitution outlines how it can be changed and that's not by Executive Order. The Constitution outlines who legislates and that's the Congress not the Supreme Court (who's only role is to determine constituonality not legislate). The Constitution has one leader and that us the elected president, not a team behind the scenes.
Putting aside your party loyalism and objectively assessing BOTH sides, you should be as alarmed as me. The Federal Government is owned by the People and it has seeped too close to Big Brother since the assassination of Kennedy. We're not treading in a healthy direction and the media plays a large role in it.
You assume that I'm a Republican party loyalist, that's your first mistake. I'm a Libertarian, but to make my vote count I have to pick a party.
When EITHER party doesn't go through the processes and works behind the scenes to nullify the People in a way the cripples a process, that concerns me. January 6 crossed the process line but the power transition occurred and Biden is our president.
America's only protection is integrity to its systems and hopes to get beyond personalities. Personalities are limited in term, but changed processes change the form of government.
The Constitution outlines how it can be changed and that's not by Executive Order. The Constitution outlines who legislates and that's the Congress not the Supreme Court (who's only role is to determine constituonality not legislate). The Constitution has one leader and that us the elected president, not a team behind the scenes.
Putting aside your party loyalism and objectively assessing BOTH sides, you should be as alarmed as me. The Federal Government is owned by the People and it has seeped too close to Big Brother since the assassination of Kennedy. We're not treading in a healthy direction and the media plays a large role in it.
Username checks out.
If you didn’t care when the GOP explicitly did it in 2020 but now you do when the DNC does it implicitly in 2024 then I don’t give a shit what you call yourself, you lack intellectual and ideological consistency and you’re nothing more than a dog tied to someone else’s chain who mistakenly believes that he’s really a free thinker.
The constitution makes no assertions as to how intraparty politics are to function. The constitution doesn’t even mention political parties.
That’s because when it was written the intention was never to have political parties. George Washington’s farewell speech was a warning against the forming of political parties and divisiveness they would bring
Going to attempt to get this shit back on track. Not what I originally saw. But does confirm it.
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Thanks... USSS is going to have a lot of explaining to do on why after hearing that info they let Trump on stage.
Let me start by saying I'm apolitical. I can't stand most politicians equally. But this thread has my attention because it is hard to imagine so many stars aligning perfectly for a 20 year old kids to pull this off on his own.
With that out the way. What you've said here is exactly what the democrats did in 2020. The field "dropped out" before super Tuesday to pave the path for Biden. Even Buttigieg who was leading after the 1st 2 primaries. Everyone that would've taken votes from Biden were out. That left Biden, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders as the contenders through Super Tuesday. Obviously Sanders and Warren split votes in some critical states on Super Tuesday that arguably changed the momentum and complexion of the election.
In my opinion, the powers within the democratic party did not want to go that far left with sanders/warren so the field was set so it couldnt happen. The difference between that and the republican primaries this year is that no republican candidate was ever within 20 points of Trump. He won every primary but 1. The field dropped because they couldn't compete.
I'll go beyond that and say that i think Harris is the third consecutive candidate hand selected by the party, not the people. The timing of Bidens "decision " allowed for that.
In 2016 Clinton had control of the huge majority of DNC funds for the full primary season long before she became the nominee. That's usually not the case until after a candidate becomes the nominee. And we've all seen the email leaks confirming the party was working to make sure Clinton won. Sanders was a huge threat and may well have won with a level playing field.
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No, the first people who said it was debris were the police on the scene the day of the shooting. Then the only person to report it was a bullet, was Donald Trump himself on truth social. Then the corporate media just ran with that as if it were true.
So, again, if you're going to go around saying you took a bullet for democracy, it kind of matters whether or not you actually took that bullet.
Also, what is the source of the apparent fragments? I keep hearing people talk about a teleprompter, but was a teleprompter even hit?
Still, I get what you are saying....there is more drama in actually getting struck with an assassination's well-aimed bullet than being struck by debris from the same bullet.
More still, we do have the photo with the bullet wizing by Trump's head. Not that that is concrete proof that it was THE bullet that struck him, it still conveys plenty of drama all on its own.
To your point, you do realize the corporate media is mostly anti Trump, and would like nothing more than to minimize his assassination attempt ? The fact that the corporate media has conceded the fact that he was wounded by an assassin’s bullet, should tell you all you need to know.
Don't you think it's better for police to downplay the injury, that this sniper was unable to get a round sufficiently close to the president? The way I took it was that some of the initial reporting was just cautious, hopeful conjecture...implying in part to quell an anxious public that the former President may not have been shot at all, that he was just hit with flying debris and would be okay.
There could be reasons for floating alternative scenarios in the immediate aftermath that have nothing to do with malice.
The only source on the fragments was the police on the scene that day. And now yesterday the director of the FBI says there is some question as to whether or not he was struck by a bullet.
I don't disagree with your post, and it doesn’t mitigate the fact that he was shot at (in all likelihood). But, Trump damn well knows the power of that story, and the imagery surrounding it, is greater if he took a bullet rather than merely being hit by a flying fragment of something. His ear is apparently totally undamaged based on photo evidence of his appearances this week.
Next thing you know, they’ll say that wasn’t a bullet but a marshmallow flying by his head.
Even if his ear was grazed by a bullet, you're a dumbass to say you took a bullet for America. No. You were shot at during a rally and got really lucky that you turned your head at the appropriate moment.
The miracle for the sake of our entire country is that he did not get killed. The political firestorm of Trump or Kamala/Biden actually getting assassinated would be awful for our country.
What's this with the "ear was lightly injured" angle? DJT may well have lost part of his ear for all we know. Of course, what these Trump-hating partisans are trying say is that irrespective of the nature of the wound to the ear, an ear injury is not at all life threatening and is therefore "light"...and on that point, I agree. But it was injured as a result of a bullet or bullets being fired at his HEAD. There is nothing "light" or trivial about that fact. Can we at least get past this nonsense?
Sure, Trump is going to play this up in a way that enhances his popularity and helps him win votes. Elections are, if nothing else, popularity contests. So of course he's going to exploit this for all its worth. He got shot at. Bullets flew by his head. One quite likely nicked his ear and was a fraction of an inch or a millisecond from killing him. He's earned the right to make as much political hay out of it as he can. Getting shot at entitles you to some clout. And the public can choose to either laude him or hate him for exploiting it.
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Ask yourself why republicans are raising hell over this, and explicitly trying to reinforce the narrative that he was shot.
May end up being the case. I don’t know. Everyone is reporting what there is to report - testimony from a single source. That source may be correct. It also may not be. The frustrating thing is, it should be fairly easy to determine.
That said, if it was shrapnel from a fragmented bullet - again - I really fail to see how that matters. Being hit by a projectile fired from a firearm = getting shot. If it is a fragment of something else that the bullet hit, it should be fairly obvious what that was from a cursory search of the stage/area around where trump was standing based on the flight path/trajectory of the bullet.
why??
maybe because it is not true?
ask yourself---why are dims so hellbent on it being a fragment??
maybe it was barbq sauce on his face
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Do you have a theory about where this alleged “shrapnel “ might’ve come from ?
He used the blood packet while under the SS guys like in wrestling.
You think there’s a chance it might’ve come from the gun that was pointed at Trump’s head ?
After the madness of the last two weeks nothing would shock at me this point
First of all, candidates withdrawing isn’t an equivalent to the party apparatchiks outright cancelling primary elections so no one can vote against their guy. You might want to brush up on how the 2020 Democratic primary went down. Biden was considered DOA until his massive win in the SC primary. Buttigieg and Klobuchar were the only candidates with any delegates to drop out prior to Super Tuesday and both were severely disadvantaged by the time they withdrew. What you’re describing with low viability candidates exiting and the field narrowing to coalesce around a handful of legitimate challengers is just the fundamental mechanic of a primary election.
I'm so tired of people trying to qualify themselves as impartial and then proceeding to parrot the exact talking points of one side or the other.
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