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What's really sad is when the lying has been proven, but people still believe the lies!
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It really is a testimate to just how evil an unamerican this past administration was. They could give 2 shits about the economy and the American people.
Also slapping us in the face by hiding behind climate change just to make sure Trump cannot fix the screw ups in direct order.
There is no argument here.

Biden to issue sweeping offshore oil and gas drilling ban, could slow Trump's priorities
Good. We don't need additional production, we need additional refining capacity. Personally, I'd much rather see less Gulf drilling and more Permian Basin drilling due to environmental impacts of gulf vs landlocked spills. The amount of open wells that these companies are already sitting on to influence the price of crude would have you singing a completely different tune about this.
 
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Good. We don't need additional production, we need additional refining capacity. Personally, I'd much rather see less Gulf drilling and more Permian Basin drilling due to environmental impacts of gulf vs landlocked spills. The amount of open wells that these companies are already sitting on to influence the price of crude would have you singing a completely different tune about this.
I don't disagree. I assume you are speaking of refining crude, and companies sitting on DUCs.
Trump will only make it easier to environmentally cut thru the red tape to be able to drill, IMO.
Most of if not all of the "oil" from fracking is refined elsewhere. The industry has become much more consolidated since say the last Trump term. Private producers are now mainly controlled by much larger public firms who only care about stockholder returns. I think additional drill production still has its place to help the US become for energy secure!
 
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I don't disagree. I assume you are speaking of refining crude, and companies sitting on DUCs.
Trump will only make it easier to environmentally cut thru the red tape to be able to drill, IMO.
Most of if not all of the "oil" from fracking is refined elsewhere. The industry has become much more consolidated since say the last Trump term. Private producers are now mainly controlled by much larger public firms who only care about stockholder returns. I think additional drill production still has its place to help the US become for energy secure!
It's a combination of US refineries operating at peak permitted levels currently, and yes, DUCs. It's more valuable for the O&G companies to sit on prospective wells than it is to drill them and overload the market and potentially lower global crude prices. We're never going to see sub-$2/gal for gas ever again, barring some major shift I can't think of.
 
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Tax cuts for the rich are not a bad thing.

Why do democrats demonize billionaires?
um because they are hoarding all the wealth in this country.
Because hoarding their wealth is bad for the economy.
Facts are that it has gotten worse and worse for the average american, to fund buying homes and cars and groceries.

Billionaires are a disgusting example of a system that is sick.
 
This is what y'all get for trying to engage in meaningful discourse with a worthless troll. There's no reason to ever have a conversation with him.
You've brought 0 to this thread. AGAIN, if you would please like to explain how deporting 50% of the farm work force is going to lower grocery prices. Please help me to understand.

The fact that you guys cannot just accept that it doesn't make sense, and that its impossible... is sad.
 
um because they are hoarding all the wealth in this country.
Because hoarding their wealth is bad for the economy.
Facts are that it has gotten worse and worse for the average american, to fund buying homes and cars and groceries.

Billionaires are a disgusting example of a system that is sick.


They are hoarding all the wealth in this country? 80% of the US Dollars in existence have been created in the last 5 years.

If the pie is ever expanding, as is the stated goal of the Fed, then it's hard to argue that the wealth is too concentrated.

And, the billionaires hardly hoard their wealth. Have you seen the projects they have been working on? You see Amazon and the number of employees they have? Have you seen the number of people that Jeff Bezos and Amazon have made millionaires?

Do you see how Bezos, Gates, Musk have made life easier and more comofortable for every single living being on this planet? The level of comfort far exceeds any time in the past. There is no better time to be a human than now compared to the last 8 billion years.

Billionaires are extremely good at asset allocation. Why would we limit them in the thing that they are best at?
 
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You've brought 0 to this thread. AGAIN, if you would please like to explain how deporting 50% of the farm work force is going to lower grocery prices. Please help me to understand.

The fact that you guys cannot just accept that it doesn't make sense, and that its impossible... is sad.
Deporting 50% of the labor force, in a vacumm, would cause a price increase. However, in reality this will not happen in a vacuum. Vacuums only happen in outer space and in the physics labs. There will be other massively deflationary forces coming, along with the US being a sovereign nation and can allow in more labor at it's pleasure.

Your concern is misplaced. But you know that because we have discussed it many times before.
 
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You've brought 0 to this thread. AGAIN, if you would please like to explain how deporting 50% of the farm work force is going to lower grocery prices. Please help me to understand.

The fact that you guys cannot just accept that it doesn't make sense, and that its impossible... is sad.
? I think Trump's deportation plan is going to be an unmitigated disaster. It's red meat for dullards to latch onto because those goobers need a scapegoat to blame for all of their problems and they refuse to look at the billionaire and corporate class that has caused all the major issues over the last 40+ years. Also, what makes it even tastier is they've been hoodwinked by the richest man on earth, and another billionaire, into thinking they actually give a shit about the common man and aren't out to further enrich themselves.
 
@firegiver - Trump answers your question here.

so, how is he going to lower energy prices? This is like whacka mole, he says he's going to lower grocery prices, when pressed, says thats really hard who knows.
Now today he says he's going to lower energy prices. how?
We already are drilling more than we ever have before. So is the solution to just flood the market with more crude? Ok... but that may not achieve what he wants/


Why can't we just ****ing tax the billioinaires and pay for daycare? eh?
 
We don't have the same issues that Argentina had so let's be honest here - a couple of multi-billionaires will be deciding how much someone's $1200 a month Social Security check will be cut to make room for their unnecessary tax cuts that will add trillions to the deficit. Don't leave that part out.
Not exactly agreeing or disagreeing with you here, but cutting the budget or trade deficits would be bad news for the economy. I guess I'd say that I disagree with the almost psychological obsession Republicans and Democrats both seem to have now with the word deficit. In a strange way, the US exporting more relatively speaking serves to hurt the US.
 
What's really sad is when the lying has been proven, but people still believe the lies!
That's what I've said for 20 years. The "MEDIA" is our enemy. They have told lies for at least 5 decades with no recourse.

Accountability should be first and foremost. There are non-elected people making decisions that effect this nation.

This should never be allowed to happen. Nobody in a federal job should be able to undermine/disregard what a president says.
 
so, how is he going to lower energy prices? This is like whacka mole, he says he's going to lower grocery prices, when pressed, says thats really hard who knows.
Now today he says he's going to lower energy prices. how?
We already are drilling more than we ever have before. So is the solution to just flood the market with more crude? Ok... but that may not achieve what he wants/


Why can't we just ****ing tax the billioinaires and pay for daycare? eh?
"Why can't we just ****ing tax the billioinaires and pay for daycare? eh?" You just love the thought of other people paying YOUR bills don't you?
 
so, how is he going to lower energy prices? This is like whacka mole, he says he's going to lower grocery prices, when pressed, says thats really hard who knows.
Now today he says he's going to lower energy prices. how?
We already are drilling more than we ever have before. So is the solution to just flood the market with more crude? Ok... but that may not achieve what he wants/


Why can't we just ****ing tax the billioinaires and pay for daycare? eh?
Why don't you tax the billionaires at 100% and then you still won't have solved a fraction of the problem and you will have killed all the businesses. You also will have done irreparable harm and will not be able to recruit new business.
 
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Why don't you tax the billionaires at 100% and then you still won't have solved a fraction of the problem and you will have killed all the businesses. You also will have done irreparable harm and will not be able to recruit new business.
What in the literal Hell is this ass-clown doing now?

Biden working to effectively ban cigarettes in 11th hour
No one has any idea. That is the problem. He doesn't understand WTF he is doing.
That is a major problem!
 
so, how is he going to lower energy prices? This is like whacka mole, he says he's going to lower grocery prices, when pressed, says thats really hard who knows.
Now today he says he's going to lower energy prices. how?
We already are drilling more than we ever have before. So is the solution to just flood the market with more crude? Ok... but that may not achieve what he wants/


Why can't we just ****ing tax the billioinaires and pay for daycare? eh?
 
It's a pretty standard Muskism - make wildly outlandish claim only to have it fail spectacularly. We will have full self drive capabilities by 2018, will have people on Mars by 2020, his Tesla AI coders will solve the bot problem on twitter, San Francisco Hawthorne tunnel, and now we will cut AT LEAST $2t from gov't inefficiencies.
 
We'll just have to see... I'm sure everyone on here knows how I feel about Trump. But he won the election fair and square and he gets the chance to do what he said he was going to do.

Some things I'm looking forward to:

Energy prices going down.

Grocery prices going down.

Reducing the national debt and government spending (a la Musk) by $2 Trillion.

Tariffs reducing inflation and increasing manufacturing in the US.

Stopping the war in Ukraine before he even goes into office/in 24 hours.

We'll see how it goes. One thing we all can agree on. If Trump gets the above done, he'll take full credit. If he doesn't, he will blame others.
 
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We'll just have to see... I'm sure everyone on here knows how I feel about Trump. But he won the election fair and square and he gets the chance to do what he said he was going to do.

Some things I'm looking forward to:

Energy prices going down.

Grocery prices going down.

Reducing the national debt and government spending (a la Musk) by $2 Trillion.

Tariffs reducing inflation and increasing manufacturing in the US.

Stopping the war in Ukraine before he even goes into office/in 24 hours.

We'll see how it goes. One thing we all can agree on. If Trump gets the above done, he'll take full credit. If he doesn't, he will blame others.
If Trump does even half of this, will you STFU, and give him a pat on the back?
 
It's a pretty standard Muskism - make wildly outlandish claim only to have it fail spectacularly. We will have full self drive capabilities by 2018, will have people on Mars by 2020, his Tesla AI coders will solve the bot problem on twitter, San Francisco Hawthorne tunnel, and now we will cut AT LEAST $2t from gov't inefficiencies.
His high speed rail that turned into a little tunnel that teslas drive through. the dude has been exposed as a vaporware salesman for the better part of 6 years. Yet here we are.
 
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If Trump does even half of this, will you STFU, and give him a pat on the back?
I will ABSOLUTELY give him credit if he get even ONE of those things on his list of promises done. And a return question... If he CAN'T get half that list done, will you admit that he's ineffective as hell and is full of shit?
 
I will ABSOLUTELY give him credit if he get even ONE of those things on his list of promises done. And a return question... If he CAN'T get half that list done, will you admit that he's ineffective as hell and is full of shit?
Still waiting @Allornothing. I will give Trump credit if he gets these things done. Will you bust his chops if he doesn't and starts blaming others? Always interesting how Trump is more than willing to blame any and everyone else, but never seems to hold himself accountable in any way. His supporters seem to be the same way.
 
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Critical CPI report Wednesday.

Interest rates have been climbing, the 10 year crossed 4.75% yesterday.

If inflation prints hot Wednesday it’s going to put more pressure on rates and the market will go lower.

Hoe and the Democrats are leaving behind a rising interest rates, rising inflation environmen. The economy is very soft.
 
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How? They don't have any government power.

This is hilarious, however dangerous, watching poorly educated misunderstanding the fundamentals of how our government works.
Imagine thinking Elon was poorly educated and that HE was the one misunderstanding.
 
He's the one grifting. Your the one falling for it.
What is he grifting? What am i falling for?

He makes great products. I gladly paid the price he wanted for the products i received. His products are priced much better than available alternatives. What am i falling for?
 
What is he grifting? What am i falling for?

He makes great products. I gladly paid the price he wanted for the products i received. His products are priced much better than available alternatives. What am i falling for?
smh go back read again. He's promising nonesense to you, you are falling for it as it relates to the government and what he's going to do.

He didn't invent tsla, he didnt' invent spaceX. He lies about being a world class video gamer. He's just a salesman. He's good at it, and he got you pretty good.
 
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smh go back read again. He's promising nonesense to you, you are falling for it as it relates to the government and what he's going to do.

He didn't invent tsla, he didnt' invent spaceX. He lies about being a world class video gamer. He's just a salesman. He's good at it, and he got you pretty good.
He didnt claim to invent Tsla.

Idgaf about video games in the slightest nor if he exagerrates his claims. I simply don't care.

He hasn't "gotten" me at all. In fact it's quite the opposite. I think i've gotten the best of everyone else.

Everyone else is still driving around in their dinosour car's that are slow and inefficient. I got 2 Teslas for ~$50k each that are better than a $75k BMW or Mercedes. Everyone else is slow interent out near my farm, while i get great internet with Starlink. X gives me the best news platform on earth for $8 a month.

All of that and my cars are paid for by my investment in the stock. The Muskonomy has been very very good to me.
 
I think it's fair to say that many of Trump's policies are inflationary in the short term. Logic suggests reducing cheap undocumented labor and replacing it with higher cost legal labor will raise prices. Tariffs would raise prices in the short term. Shifting production away from China and to the US or other non-adversarial countries will raise prices. RFKjr banning harmful additives in our food supply will raise prices.

That said, I don't really give a shit. I'm willing to pay more for stuff if we fix immigration, ditch our dependence on China, clean up our food supply, etc. I just don't see how you do those things while simultaneously lowering costs.
What if I don’t make ‘over 400k a year’ fvck me I’m dead? Trump definitely cares about the little guy.
 
He didnt claim to invent Tsla.

Idgaf about video games in the slightest nor if he exagerrates his claims. I simply don't care.

He hasn't "gotten" me at all. In fact it's quite the opposite. I think i've gotten the best of everyone else.

Everyone else is still driving around in their dinosour car's that are slow and inefficient. I got 2 Teslas for ~$50k each that are better than a $75k BMW or Mercedes. Everyone else is slow interent out near my farm, while i get great internet with Starlink. X gives me the best news platform on earth for $8 a month.

All of that and my cars are paid for by my investment in the stock. The Muskonomy has been very very good to me.
He claims to be the founder of TSLA. Thats a lie

You don't care that a man you claim has good motives and is the richest in the world, whom you are ready to sign over power of our governmetn to, with its access to our tax dollars, you don't care that he's a ****ing liar? Oh ok
 
He claims to be the founder of TSLA. Thats a lie

You don't care that a man you claim has good motives and is the richest in the world, whom you are ready to sign over power of our governmetn to, with its access to our tax dollars, you don't care that he's a ****ing liar? Oh ok
No, in his biography he makes very clear that he was an investor in Tesla and he gives credit to the people that actually started Tesla.

You sound like you are exiting an abusive relationship. Don't like the guy, that is fine. But you talk about him like a scorned lover. You say thing that he does that just aren't true.

He is not a liar, you just arent being honest with yourself. You voted for Kammy, a serial liar. Joe Biden, serial liar. That is not a differentiator for your vote.

Please link where HE claims to be the founder of Tesla, not someone else saying he claimed that. And then I will post a link to where he gives credit to the actual founders and explains how he made a large investment to save the company.
 
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I think it's fair to say that many of Trump's policies are inflationary in the short term. Logic suggests reducing cheap undocumented labor and replacing it with higher cost legal labor will raise prices. Tariffs would raise prices in the short term. Shifting production away from China and to the US or other non-adversarial countries will raise prices. RFKjr banning harmful additives in our food supply will raise prices.

That said, I don't really give a shit. I'm willing to pay more for stuff if we fix immigration, ditch our dependence on China, clean up our food supply, etc. I just don't see how you do those things while simultaneously lowering costs.
I dont think it's fair to say that Trumps polcies are inflationary in the short term. Inflation averaged under the targeted goal during the Trump admin, this despite Tariffs being implemented. To be fair, we must render fair judgement.

His incoming economic adviser (harvard phd) has published a paper on why tariffs are not a no sum game and why they do not have to be inflationary. Paper below for your review.

 
We'll just have to see... I'm sure everyone on here knows how I feel about Trump. But he won the election fair and square and he gets the chance to do what he said he was going to do.

Some things I'm looking forward to:

Energy prices going down.

Grocery prices going down.

Reducing the national debt and government spending (a la Musk) by $2 Trillion.

Tariffs reducing inflation and increasing manufacturing in the US.

Stopping the war in Ukraine before he even goes into office/in 24 hours.

We'll see how it goes. One thing we all can agree on. If Trump gets the above done, he'll take full credit. If he doesn't, he will blame others.
I'll take the "Pat on the Back" bet. The last thing on the list is a bit ridiculous, but as I have said before, Trump just needs to STFU sometimes. I think 1,2 and 4 or doable in time. I'm still on the see it to believe it on 3.
However, there are many more things he can and will do, not on your list.

The reason I should not take this bet, is bc each and every one of you will argue/bitch and get your panties in a wad with outrageous evidence to combat and truth to him accomplishing anything!

We tried to tell you buffoons about Bidens decline, Camala incompetence, and on and on, but it was complete...
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...so I am not sure how this will be any different.
 
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