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Hegseth does it again



The New York Times decided to drop a story on Easter Sunday about yet another Signal chat except this one is with Pete Hegseth’s wife and his two brothers who were also Pentagon employees.

The story is, of course, based on four anonymous sources.

And it is once again about the strike in Yemen that went off without a hitch.

It begs the question are these people demented or just really evil?
 
You and @Tiger Growls must be sore from contorting yourselves when addressing negative news out of the administration. You both hilariously failed to respond on the tariffs thread, and now one of you says “it’s no big deal, it was his wife and two brothers” + “Democrats can never have a valid complaint.” Your collective stupidity is astounding.
 
You and @Tiger Growls must be sore from contorting yourselves when addressing negative news out of the administration. You both hilariously failed to respond on the tariffs thread, and now one of you says “it’s no big deal, it was his wife and two brothers” + “Democrats can never have a valid complaint.” Your collective stupidity is astounding.
The pride of the short bus yapping again.
 
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You and @Tiger Growls must be sore from contorting yourselves when addressing negative news out of the administration. You both hilariously failed to respond on the tariffs thread, and now one of you says “it’s no big deal, it was his wife and two brothers” + “Democrats can never have a valid complaint.” Your collective stupidity is astounding.
The way these ignorant southerners are willing to sell out our country for a carpetbagger nepobaby will confound historians for centuries. Anyone who supports this shit is no true patriot. They embarrass us all.
 
Every Trump supporter should be charged with treason. Just when you think it can’t get any more embarrassing for this administration. They will not be satisfied until they have destroyed this country from the inside.
 
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Don’t give em an inch.

Make em tell us how they will help uAmericans instead of letting them play their dirty tricks.

Democrats used Signal too.


 
Don’t give em an inch.

Make em tell us how they will help uAmericans instead of letting them play their dirty tricks.

Democrats used Signal too.


I find the misunderstanding often in this forum is that these aren't one against the other situations. If Democrats were using Signal to share confidential information like military attack strategy, get their asses too. Anyone that used Signal the way that Hegseth used it in these two cases, all of them should be in deep shit, regardless of political ties.
 
I find the misunderstanding often in this forum is that these aren't one against the other situations. If Democrats were using Signal to share confidential information like military attack strategy, get their asses too. Anyone that used Signal the way that Hegseth used it in these two cases, all of them should be in deep shit, regardless of political ties.
And they would be if anyone else were president, but team Trump just spews lies and they’ve primed the pump via Fox news for so long their cult members eat it up. Truth, objective truth, is lost on the diehard cultists…just as it is with any cult.
 
I find the misunderstanding often in this forum is that these aren't one against the other situations. If Democrats were using Signal to share confidential information like military attack strategy, get their asses too. Anyone that used Signal the way that Hegseth used it in these two cases, all of them should be in deep shit, regardless of political ties.
The problem is they present using Signal as some violation or bad thing. It's not a violation, it was what was recommended by the previous state department. Democrats used the same form of communication.

When you say "get their asses too". Get them for what, exactly? Using signal? That's what they were supposed to do?
 
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The problem is they present using Signal as some violation or bad thing. It's not a violation, it was what was recommended by the previous state department. Democrats used the same form of communication.

When you say "get their asses too". Get them for what, exactly? Using signal? That's what they were supposed to do?
They were told to use it to communicate classified information? Would need to see that directive. If so, whoever directed it should be exposed.
 
They were told to use it to communicate classified information? Would need to see that directive. If so, whoever directed it should be exposed.

Thats not what i said. At all.


Something seems off about this criticism. Yes a minor mistake was made by someone the first time. But the rabid vitriol over a mistake that turned out to not be a big deal at all, makes me think there is an ulterior motive.

It reminds me of the smear campaign that worked on General Flynn. Republicans should never let that happen again. And the tactics from the left in the past have included lies and fabrications for political gain.

And just so we are clear, everyone knows who the CEO of Signal is, correct?
 
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The problem is they present using Signal as some violation or bad thing. It's not a violation, it was what was recommended by the previous state department. Democrats used the same form of communication.

When you say "get their asses too". Get them for what, exactly? Using signal? That's what they were supposed to do?
You said Democrats were using Signal too.
I said if they indeed know that Democrats were using Signal to share classified details similar to military strategy, then they should also be investigated, hence "get their asses too".
Signal, from my understanding from everything I've read, is NOT appropriate for the information related to military strategy. I'm sure there's plenty of other highly classified details similar to military strategy that if shared, by anyone Dem or Rep, they need to be held accountable.

I'm just so confused that so many of the people on here talk about this administration being the one to hold people accountable. Cool, then f'ing do it.
 
They were told to use it to communicate classified information? Would need to see that directive. If so, whoever directed it should be exposed.
The memo said it couldn't be used to transfer sensitive information - but public information is fine. That has transformed into Biden's administration told Trump's cronies they could transfer national secrets over the Signal App.
 
On top of this, sharing details with your wife and brother...
My wife works in HR for a private company (not gov, food manufacturing), so she's at the BOTTOM tier of "sensitive information", and she won't even share shit with me that goes down at her plant. So for him to share details like this, regardless if its to family, is frankly insane to me.
 
The memo said it couldn't be used to transfer sensitive information - but public information is fine. That has transformed into Biden's administration told Trump's cronies they could transfer national secrets over the Signal App.
Right. I assumed as much.
 
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Thats not what i said. At all.


Something seems off about this criticism. Yes a minor mistake was made by someone the first time. But the rabid vitriol over a mistake that turned out to not be a big deal at all, makes me think there is an ulterior motive.

It reminds me of the smear campaign that worked on General Flynn. Republicans should never let that happen again. And the tactics from the left in the past have included lies and fabrications for political gain.
You literally said "It's not a violation, it was what was recommended by the previous state department."

I guess you're doing the semantics of focusing on the fact that it is mentioned in media that they used Signal, rather than the fact that it was classified information that was shared over Signal?

Haven't seen one person on here or even in the media claim that using Signal itself was the issue, but rather what was communicated on Signal. But I don't consume that much media, so maybe I've missed that if you could share?
 
You said Democrats were using Signal too.
I said if they indeed know that Democrats were using Signal to share classified details similar to military strategy, then they should also be investigated, hence "get their asses too".
Signal, from my understanding from everything I've read, is NOT appropriate for the information related to military strategy. I'm sure there's plenty of other highly classified details similar to military strategy that if shared, by anyone Dem or Rep, they need to be held accountable.

I'm just so confused that so many of the people on here talk about this administration being the one to hold people accountable. Cool, then f'ing do it.
Whether it's appropriate or not is for another discussion.

The question is, is the criticism fair?

Democrats used Signal when they were in office. They told the incoming admin how to use it. The new admin started using it. A small mistake was made.

Is that response fair when democrats didn't call for one person to be fired after the Afghanistan ordeal? Which optically was terrible for the military and people actually died?

Spare me your accountability concerns. Y'all fired exactly NO ONE.
 
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Whether it's appropriate or not is for another discussion.

The question is, is the criticism fair?

Democrats used Signal when they were in office. They told the incoming admin how to use it. The new admin started using it. A small mistake was made.

Is that response fair when democrats didn't call for one person to be fired after the Afghanistan ordeal?
Perhaps the disconnect is "used Signal". I'm not saying you cannot use Signal. I'm saying that there seems to be a VERY CLEAR separation between what you can or cannot use that for. Military strategy should certainly not be used on that.

So in the case of Hegseth AND the others who were sharing those details via Signal, yes I believe the criticism to be fair.
If they were Democrats doing that, then yes the criticism would still be fair.

We are also apparently in difference relative to "small mistake". I do not see this as small at all.

There's people on here that have legit security clearances. The closest for me is just normal industry NDAs or ITAR related activities with defense. So WAY lower in terms of "importance" as what he was doing. And even in those cases, I'm super careful in what I say and to who. I'm not aware of any reporting that says they were advised that Signal could be used for the information being shared. "They told the incoming admin how to use it", not sure how you're coming to that conclusion unless you do indeed have a press release stating the way they used it followed the guidance given to them.
 
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Perhaps the disconnect is "used Signal". I'm not saying you cannot use Signal. I'm saying that there seems to be a VERY CLEAR separation between what you can or cannot use that for. Military strategy should certainly not be used on that.

So in the case of Hegseth AND the others who were sharing those details via Signal, yes I believe the criticism to be fair.
If they were Democrats doing that, then yes the criticism would still be fair.

We are also apparently in difference relative to "small mistake". I do not see this as small at all.

There's people on here that have legit security clearances. The closest for me is just normal industry NDAs or ITAR related activities with defense. So WAY lower in terms of "importance" as what he was doing. And even in those cases, I'm super careful in what I say and to who. I'm not aware of any reporting that says they were advised that Signal could be used for the information being shared. "They told the incoming admin how to use it", not sure how you're coming to that conclusion unless you do indeed have a press release stating the way they used it followed the guidance given to them.


So to put it all in context, you view inadvertantly adding a person to an email thread, that resulted in no damage should result in someone being fired.

Yet, you never spoke up on the Afghanistan withdrawal where American soldiers actually died. Can you post an article where any leftist news organization called for someone to be fired over that much worse incident? Democrats fired exactly no one related to that, or related to any other cause.

You never fired anyone and want someone fired for incorrectly adding someone to the chat where no harm was caused?

I just don't get that logic.
 
Whether it's appropriate or not is for another discussion.

The question is, is the criticism fair?

Democrats used Signal when they were in office. They told the incoming admin how to use it. The new admin started using it. A small mistake was made.

Is that response fair when democrats didn't call for one person to be fired after the Afghanistan ordeal? Which optically was terrible for the military and people actually died?

Spare me your accountability concerns. Y'all fired exactly NO ONE.
A small mistake was made? Really? Including the media on plans for a military attack? I would call that a significant mistake. Let's just call it a mistake.
 
A small mistake was made? Really? Including the media on plans for a military attack? I would call that a significant mistake. Let's just call it a mistake.
No one was hurt. No damage was caused. It turned out to be a small mistake.

The afghanistan withdrawal i believe 13 soldiers died.

Did you start a thread calling for someone to be fired? Make any posts about it?
 
Do you have an example of this type of mistake? Not using Signal. But using it to share classified information?
No the mistake im talking about is the afganistan withdrawal where 13 people died.

Logically, if you aren't calling for firings when our soldiers die, then you can kindly sit the eff down when the only bad thing that happened due to this text was some dem panties got in a wad. Your concerns fall on deaf ears.
 
No the mistake im talking about is the afganistan withdrawal where 13 people died.

Logically, if you aren't calling for firings when our soldiers die, then you can kindly sit the eff down when the only bad thing that happened due to this text was some dem panties got in a wad. Your concerns fall on deaf ears.
We've hashed this out previously. Forgot your bar is now 13 deaths before anything matters. Last post here, have a good one.
 
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So to put it all in context, you view inadvertantly adding a person to an email thread, that resulted in no damage should result in someone being fired.

Yet, you never spoke up on the Afghanistan withdrawal where American soldiers actually died. Can you post an article where any leftist news organization called for someone to be fired over that much worse incident? Democrats fired exactly no one related to that, or related to any other cause.

You never fired anyone and want someone fired for incorrectly adding someone to the chat where no harm was caused?

I just don't get that logic.
I actually agree with you, in regards to adding someone to a chat group. From all accounts it was an oversight, not worthy of a firing in my opinion. I believe the only reason this has become an issue is because Hegseth didn't have the experience necessary to be Sect. of Defense but he isn't even the one who added the media. However, if the most recent allegations are true then he should be removed.
 
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So to put it all in context, you view inadvertantly adding a person to an email thread, that resulted in no damage should result in someone being fired.

Yet, you never spoke up on the Afghanistan withdrawal where American soldiers actually died. Can you post an article where any leftist news organization called for someone to be fired over that much worse incident? Democrats fired exactly no one related to that, or related to any other cause.

You never fired anyone and want someone fired for incorrectly adding someone to the chat where no harm was caused?

I just don't get that logic.
Hey man, our conversation simply started with me saying everyone should be held accountable.

Yes, adding someone like that to a sensitive item results in removal. That would happen in the public world as well. Was it an accident? I'm sure it was, and yes that gets you fired.

The Afghanistan stuff is outside the scope of our conversation. I don't care if people wanted Democrats fired, I don't follow any leftist news so I don't know where I'd go for that anyway. I'm not a Democrat, hence the whole point here being that people should be held accountable regardless of political affiliation. So if you want people fired for that or are upset that people weren't called to be fired, I'm not educated on any of that.

However you're defining "harm", I concider the way that sensitive information was shared as harming our security, yes.
 
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