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Solid Orange Blood said:
Huh? Admiral Mike Rogers, head of the friggin NSA, exposed it.
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This Mike Rogers?


www.vox.com

All of Trump’s wiretap claims have now officially been debunked by the FBI and NSA

FBI Director James Comey and National Security Agency Director Adm. Mike Rogers refuted Trump’s claims during a House Intelligence hearing.
www.vox.com www.vox.com

Or this one?


Or this one?

observer.com

Exclusive: NSA Chief Admits Donald Trump Colluded With Russia

When will Admiral Mike Rogers say publicly what he told his agency’s workforce?
observer.com observer.com
 
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CUT93 said:
do feel the same way about how the left has not treated the clintons? If trump had been caught having an affair with a college age girl in the whitehouse, dems and the media would be calling for him to resign and be thrown in jail.
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nah. Wouldn’t love it, as I didn’t with Clinton, but that’s not something a president should resign over.

it’s the doing crime.
 
ClemTigsCo said:
This Mike Rogers?


www.vox.com

All of Trump’s wiretap claims have now officially been debunked by the FBI and NSA

FBI Director James Comey and National Security Agency Director Adm. Mike Rogers refuted Trump’s claims during a House Intelligence hearing.
www.vox.com www.vox.com

Or this one?


Or this one?

observer.com

Exclusive: NSA Chief Admits Donald Trump Colluded With Russia

When will Admiral Mike Rogers say publicly what he told his agency’s workforce?
observer.com observer.com
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Since you are familiar with the family, can you please tell me what qualifications Hunter has that the rest of us don't know about that would make foreign businesses want to pay him large sums of $$$ on an ongoing basis to work for them?
 
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CUT93 said:
Since you are familiar with the family, can you please tell me what qualifications Hunter has that the rest of us don't know about that would make foreign businesses want to pay him large sums of $$$ on an ongoing basis to work for them?
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Hunter is a slime ball. Always has been.

he’s under DOJ investigation and they should follow it wherever it leads.

unlike you, I don’t hate the American justice system or law enforcement.
 
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ClemTigsCo said:
Hunter is a slime ball. Always has been.

he’s under DOJ investigation and they should follow it wherever it leads.

unlike you, I don’t hate the American justice system or law enforcement.
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Can you answer the question? Is there any reason other than political influence you can think of that would explain why anyone would pay him large sums of $$$? Can you offer any other reasonable explanation than he was providing access to Joe?

Edit: Also, please show me where I said I hated the American justice system or law enforcement.
 
clemben said:
Ahh yes...the simple flaw of trying to get himself to be an unelected despot and stop the republic and democracy from functioning bc he felt like voter fraud and hurt feelings without evidence and trampling on the rule of law and bedrock principles of the constitution to make money off his sheeple..

Tiny, tiny flaw.

I say this all the time--if you don't want your campaign investigated for collusion with a foreign govt then don't appoint as your campaign manager someone with a history of collusion with a foreign govt who this week plainly admits that during the campaign he colluded with a foreign govt.

If you don't want the FBI coming to your hotel that you are using for a home, then don't take top secret documents illegally from the White House after being told you can't (and being told you can't flush them down toilets or eat them...my goodness), and it is illegal for months and months and then handing some of it back but then keeping some of the documents. You bring that on yourself.

And don't cry about the legal and lawful judge signed off on procedure that the FBI and Justice dept can't talk about bc it would undermine the subject of the investigations constitutional rights and undermine the investigation WHEN YOU KNOW YOU CAN RELEASE THE WHOLE THING YOURSELF but you don't want to do that bc you know your supporters are sheeple who will think you are a victim. Glad Garland came out and said they were ready to make it public if Trump wants (and of course Trump knew this bc he could make it public this entire time...).

Don't buy the Trump victimhood schtick. It is his go-to move and is completely transparent/fake/phony.
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Uhhhh what? Plainly admits colluding with a fgn govt? If you bought any part of russiagate i dont know what to say.

many presidents have to return things to wh…you think they pack the boxes? Hed met with fbi and by all accounts things were cordial and he was cooperating. Then they pull this stunt - insanity. Pure political weaponization.

its quite the opposite of buying him being a victim. Hes no saint…hes just also not the boogeyman people want him to be. This isnt about trump to me…this is about the egregious political weaponization of govt entities attacking enemies. Its no different than lois lerner at the irs. No different than the fbi and justice dept burying epstein. Dont let your feelings about trump blind you to the utter insanity hes been subjected to by both govt and media. Because guess what…unless this is shut the fk down and houses are cleaned this sht is gonna happen to the enemies of whoever is in power and the measures will keep escalating. These antics virtually assure a trump presidency now. I dont think youll be so liberally applying justification for this gongshow when its not someone you hate
 
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Uhhhh what? Plainly admits colluding with a fgn govt? If you bought any part of russiagate i dont know what to say.

many presidents have to return things to wh…you think they pack the boxes? Hed met with fbi and by all accounts things were cordial and he was cooperating. Then they pull this stunt - insanity. Pure political weaponization.

its quite the opposite of buying him being a victim. Hes no saint…hes just also not the boogeyman people want him to be. This isnt about trump to me…this is about the egregious political weaponization of govt entities attacking enemies. Its no different than lois lerner at the irs. No different than the fbi and justice dept burying epstein. Dont let your feelings about trump blind you to the utter insanity hes been subjected to by both govt and media. Because guess what…unless this is shut the fk down and houses are cleaned this sht is gonna happen to the enemies of whoever is in power and the measures will keep escalating. These antics virtually assure a trump presidency now. I dont think youll be so liberally applying justification for this gongshow when its not someone you hate
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He had a freaking subpoena and did t return the things he was supposed to return. He hid documents he wasn't supposed to have. He is the one who made all of this a felony. How is this the FBI/DOJ fault? How about admit Trump brought this on himself?
 
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yoshi121374 said:
He had a freaking subpoena and did t return the things he was supposed to return. He hid documents he wasn't supposed to have. He is the one who made all of this a felony. How is this the FBI/DOJ fault? How about admit Trump brought this on himself?
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Lots of things out there suggesting he did cooperate and did handover a bunch of documents. Even installed an additional lock after the FBI requested it.

If a felony, why hasn’t he been arrested? If there was evidence of a felony, he’d be in prison awaiting arraignment……don’t kid yourself
 
CUT93 said:
My biggest problem is with the media. GOP/DNC are political parties you expect to be hypocrites and politically motivated. The biggest problem with the country is that the media has become just another mouthpiece for political parties rather than journalist who may hold a political view but, for the most part, reported facts and let the viewers draw their own conclusions. Fox is clearly skewed to the gop and the rest of msm is clearly on the dem talking points train. Pretty much no unbiased media coverage at this point.
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you can thank the GOP in the 80s for repealing the Fairness Doctrine for the complete butchering of the media's impartiality
 
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yoshi121374 said:
He had a freaking subpoena and did t return the things he was supposed to return. He hid documents he wasn't supposed to have. He is the one who made all of this a felony. How is this the FBI/DOJ fault? How about admit Trump brought this on himself?
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he cooperated with the fbi…this was a local office. This is a purely political targeting. But looks like you got it all figured out that its really just the legal process happening as intended. enjoy where it takes us.
 
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Jjh7 said:
he cooperated with the fbi…this was a local office. This is a purely political targeting. But looks like you got it all figured out that its really just the legal process happening as intended. enjoy where it takes us.
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How in the world would you believe Donald Trump that he had cooperated? He's such a Bastian of honesty...

If it was bullshit, why would the FBI/DOJ ask to release the search warrant? They seem to feel very confident that it will show they acted reasonably
 
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Jjh7 said:
Uhhhh what? Plainly admits colluding with a fgn govt? If you bought any part of russiagate i dont know what to say.

many presidents have to return things to wh…you think they pack the boxes? Hed met with fbi and by all accounts things were cordial and he was cooperating. Then they pull this stunt - insanity. Pure political weaponization.

its quite the opposite of buying him being a victim. Hes no saint…hes just also not the boogeyman people want him to be. This isnt about trump to me…this is about the egregious political weaponization of govt entities attacking enemies. Its no different than lois lerner at the irs. No different than the fbi and justice dept burying epstein. Dont let your feelings about trump blind you to the utter insanity hes been subjected to by both govt and media. Because guess what…unless this is shut the fk down and houses are cleaned this sht is gonna happen to the enemies of whoever is in power and the measures will keep escalating. These antics virtually assure a trump presidency now. I dont think youll be so liberally applying justification for this gongshow when its not someone you hate
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The part where they invited russian nationals into Trump tower with an email that said they would love the dirt on an opposition political candidate. The part where Manafort said he colluded with Konstantin Kilimnik to give opposition research. I'm sorry--that is worthy of investigation.

So now that it is coming out that it was NUCLEAR classified info that he REFUSED to give back--care to change the tune??

He hasn't been subjected to insanity--he is corrupt and constantly breaks the law or has others break the law for him (see hush money payments to porn star through campaign contributions or illegally staying at properties or trying to bribe ukraine or 'find' votes or so many things its seriously insane). What is insane is that he has never been held accountable but gets to play the victim.
 
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Jjh7 said:
he cooperated with the fbi…this was a local office. This is a purely political targeting. But looks like you got it all figured out that its really just the legal process happening as intended. enjoy where it takes us.
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Cooperated--right??

Just forgot those nuclear docs. Maybe the FBI shouldn't be defunded and know what they are doing to protect this country from enemies foreign and domestic.
 
ClemTigsCo said:
This Mike Rogers?


www.vox.com

All of Trump’s wiretap claims have now officially been debunked by the FBI and NSA

FBI Director James Comey and National Security Agency Director Adm. Mike Rogers refuted Trump’s claims during a House Intelligence hearing.
www.vox.com www.vox.com

Or this one?


Or this one?

observer.com

Exclusive: NSA Chief Admits Donald Trump Colluded With Russia

When will Admiral Mike Rogers say publicly what he told his agency’s workforce?
observer.com observer.com
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No, the one who alerted Trump he was being spied on:

Pentagon and intelligence community chiefs have urged Obama to remove the head of the NSA
The morning of Thursday Nov 17, 2016
"In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower."

Donald Trump moves transition meetings to private golf club in New Jersey
Thursday, November 17, 2016
President-elect Donald Trump is moving the transition meetings Friday from Trump Tower in New York to Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey, said transition team officials.

The Uncovering – Mike Rogers’ Investigation, Section 702 FISA Abuse & the FBI
  • November 2015-April 2016 – The FBI and DOJ’s National Security Division (NSD) uses private contractors to access raw FISA information using “To” and “From” FISA-702(16) & “About” FISA-702(17) queries.
  • March 2016 – NSA Director Rogers becomes aware of improper access to raw FISA data.
  • April 2016 – Rogers orders the NSA compliance officer to run a full audit on 702 NSA compliance.
  • April 18 2016 – Rogers shuts down FBI/NSD contractor access to the FISA Search System.
  • September 26 2016 – DOJ’s NSD Head John Carlin files the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications. Carlin has been aware of Rogers’ compliance review.
  • September 27 2016 – Carlin announces he is resigning. Mary McCord will later assume his position.
  • October 15, 2016 – Carlin formally leaves the NSD.
  • Mid-October 2016 – DNI Clapper submits a recommendation to the White House that Director Rogers be removed from the NSA.
  • October 20 2016 – Rogers is briefed by the NSA compliance officer on the Section 702 NSA compliance audit and “About” query violations.
  • October 21 2016 – Rogers shuts down all “About Query” activity. Rogers reports the activity to DOJ and prepares to go before the FISA Court.
  • October 21 2016 – DOJ & FBI seek and receive a Title I FISA probable cause order authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISC. At this point, the FISA Court is unaware of the Section 702 violations.
  • October 24 2016 – Rogers verbally informs the FISA Court of Section 702(17) violations.
  • October 26 2016 – Rogers formally informs the FISA Court of 702(17) violations in writing.
  • November 17 2016 (morning) – Rogers travels to meet President-Elect Trump and his Transition Team in Trump Tower. Rogers does not inform DNI James Clapper.
  • November 17 2016 (evening) – Trump Transition Team announces they are moving all transition activity to Trump National Golf Club in New Jersey.
 
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ctcseb said:
Why would he refuse the unsealing if he has nothing to hide? If it is a nothing burger he could shame Garland publicly and eternally (Garland said he personally approved it) by unsealing an unjustified warrant. With how beneficial this would be to Trump, why would he sit on this opportunity? If he refuses there will be a perception nightmare. So considering the cost benefit, which is unequivocally for unsealing the warrant if he has nothing to hide, why would he not?
I understand that logically / mathematically, what you are saying is an option. But it makes no sense whatsoever.
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You guys have to realize that they can put anything they want on the warrant and it doesnt make it true or false. Its a document filled out by DOJ/FBI. The fact that they went down to FL and got a never trumper judge to sign it is a clue to me that its less than legit. Just my opinion at this point. Let them make it public and I am not a lawyer but I doubt if Trump has any say in whether its released or not.
 
TigerGrowls said:
Horse Sh1T. Since comrade Obummer is part of the hometeam he gets to do whatever the hell he wants.
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Well….I figured since you were linking articles that you might appreciate an explanation of the differing circumstances. Not the bombshell/gamechanger you’re used to, of course, but some important distinctions worth noting.
 
kudzuking said:
Well….I figured since you were linking articles that you might appreciate an explanation of the differing circumstances. Not the bombshell/gamechanger you’re used to, of course, but some important distinctions worth noting.
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Its called the deep state and its earns its name. They can always give a reason, but it doesnt make it legit. The two tiered justice standards and drastically differing treatment of some compared to others makes it obvious imo. I am not going to sit and just accept anything thats said at this point.

I am not a top level history expert, but I can say that in the last 100 years at least that no public figure on a national level has been treated as badly as President Trump. They are on a vendetta to get him and that proves that the deep state is a real thing and also proves that Donald Trump is a real threat to their control. They are treating him like an invading army.
 
CUT93 said:
Since you are familiar with the family, can you please tell me what qualifications Hunter has that the rest of us don't know about that would make foreign businesses want to pay him large sums of $$$ on an ongoing basis to work for them?
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Best going rates for access to the big guy
 
Alright, alright, alright..... This gets even better:

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yoshi121374 said:
How in the world would you believe Donald Trump that he had cooperated? He's such a Bastian of honesty...

If it was bullshit, why would the FBI/DOJ ask to release the search warrant? They seem to feel very confident that it will show they acted reasonably
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Well to start i wasnt going off of anything he said, tbh i couldnt care less what anyone says right now because the story will be drastically different when its all said and done. Was a blurb article on bb terminal day after basically saying they were no issues with communications or turning things over. Because this always happens…newsflash presidents dont pack up their office.

as for doj/fbi, i mean it took 2 days for them to coordinate their story. First the media leaks were garland had nothing to do with it, then he personally signed off on it. Fbi sounds like local office, and if reports of their conduct prove true are…concerning. But those are just rumors like everything else so far. Trump also wants details released not sure why that part matters. Right now everyone is taking the fire aim ready approach assuming everything they read that they want to hear is true and anything that counters that is nonsense. I think weve seen this movie before but who knows…maybe this time is different. Ill believe it when i see it
 
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clemben said:
Cooperated--right??

Just forgot those nuclear docs. Maybe the FBI shouldn't be defunded and know what they are doing to protect this country from enemies foreign and domestic.
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Actively cooperating - was with hq then this local office went seal team 6.

you go right ahead and trust the fbi, ill be the guy saying i told you so when their political crosshairs are retrained. First they came for…
 
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ClemTigsCo said:
Except, it’s not. Those are all BS right-wing conspiracy theories. Care to present a lick of evidence that your claims are true?
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If you don't know its true you are being willfully ignorant. It is well known established fact at this point.
 
macbrindle said:
Idek who the dude on the bottom is, looks like Kevin McCarthy tbh

Hair on the top is definitely not Trump’s, looks too good to be his hair
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I believe the bottom is renowned climate activist greta thurnberg.

I guess the top is just a mystery of the universe…a choose your own adventure if you will
 
Fox just now: “The FBI seized boxes containing records covered by attorney-client privilege and potentially executive privilege during its raid of former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News, adding that the Justice Department opposed Trump lawyers' request for the appointment of an independent, special master to review the records”
 
macbrindle said:
Fox just now: “The FBI seized boxes containing records covered by attorney-client privilege and potentially executive privilege during its raid of former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News, adding that the Justice Department opposed Trump lawyers' request for the appointment of an independent, special master to review the records”
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Doesn’t imply that’s what they seized exclusively
 
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