How do youse guise feel about Russia?

[kgwillison]

Reading comprehension impaired?

It was a question, I couldn't give 2 shits what the outcome was, your boy had a chance to something about it and chose not to as usual.

This is like saying that George W Bush “had something to do about” Osama bin Laden and “chose not to as usual” since it was under the Obama administration that he was killed.

Who was President Obama’s first phone call to after the killing? George W. Bush.

Because he knew we are all in this together. He didn’t pin the blame on a previous administration-he used the intelligence he was provided to address the issue for the good of the whole country.

Trump has turned that practice on its head. Since a problem occurred in a previous administration, he suggests, all the fault lies there and he doesn’t need to do anything to address it.

North Korea? Blame his predecessors. (And despite what he said, he has not solved this issue.)
Russia? Blame his predecessors
Immigration? Blame his predecessors

 

[kgwillison]

Remember Trump supporters being irate that Obama apologized for the United States and that Trump would never do that?

Well, scratch another reason to like Trump off the list! All he did yesterday was apologize ... to a dictator.

Ask yourself why he congratulated Putin on winning his re-election campaign after being formally instructed NOT to do so. Did he congratulate the winner in Venezuela? Nope. (He has actually asked his security team about invading Venezuela.) But one election was as corrupt as the other.

 

[hopefultiger13]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...ceful-performances-by-american-president.html

This is fake news. You know how you can tell. It's critical of the President. It doesn't matter if it's true... If it makes Trump look bad, it's fake.

 

[hopefultiger13]

How many elections has our CIA interfered in? Asking for a friend.

You bet! And I wonder how those countries felt about that? Do THEY think the US is their friend? I bet the dictators we put in power did (a la Trump). The people themselves... not so much.

 

[hopefultiger13]

What exactly did the Russians do to influence the voters to elect Trump other than hack into Hillary's server looking for the missing emails that she was supposed to turn over anyway? I honestly haven't researched it enough to know how they changed peoples votes from Clinton to Trump.
I truly don't care because but lets be honest, the DNC should've never trotted out Hillary in the first place and there was behind the scenes power brokering going on to erode Sanders chance of being the choice to run.

I'd be glad to read a well thought out response that is coherent.

They mounted a systematic attack on Hillary using social media and "news" stories that were not true. It's kind of where the "fake news" thing started. There were literally thousands of Facebook 'bot' accounts tweeting and retweeting these stories and supporting each other.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Trump is the home team. Come off the playground and live in reality. You want to have a macho piss off with Russia which is possibly the only current country in the world that could turn the entire US into a crater? Trump is carrying out diplomacy. The US needs to cooperate with Russia as much as possible. This overblown indignation is all related and in light of the phony Trump investigation.

The US economy is wildly successful under Trump. Growth is getting ready to be over 4% which is basically twice as good as any point in the Obama years. The vast majority of americans have more money in their pockets thanks to President Trump. You guys need to get a grip. I am as patriotic as any American and do not blindly follow Trump. I support him because of his policies. I support normalizing relations to as big an extent as possible with Russia....amen!

Trump has done some good stuff with the economy no doubt. Of course a really good case on the tax cut can be made that he certainly helped himself out as well by giving the wealthy 75+% of the breaks (which are don't expire) and 25% to the rest of us (which do expire). But you Trumpians love the crumbs he drops for us while he makes out like a bandit. Still, as you say, things are better than they were and that's a positive for everyone.

But you are WAY off on this Russia thing. They messed with our elections by hacking our country. More alarming to me is the continual hacking by then on our infrastructure grids. This is an attack on us as surely and if they were firing bullets. This is basically the playground bully walking over and kicking sand in our faces. You don't cooperate with that unless you want to be his bitch... And that's basically what Trump did... walked over to Putin and bent over for a friendly game of fuuck America.

 

[nytigerfan]

The problem there is you place it all on Trump and his supporters and not on the Democrats or the Media. It's a group effort by all. To deflect to one person or his supporters is to doom us to repeating the same mistakes. I'm sure you don't want to be part of what's wrong in all this but you are. The long-term damage was here before Trump. He's just brought a lot of it to the surface.

I certainly dont place it all on Trump and his supporters, but my belief is that two greatest threats to the future of my children are 1) climate change and 2) income inequality - at some point the poorest and most hungry are going to rise up. Those are two areas that Trump's policies have made much worse long-term. To be clear I didnt think Obama did enough to combat climate change.

This is a really interesting essay by a professor who was asked to speak at a conference for super wealthy. The questions they were asking him should have us all concerned. Worth a read if you have a few minutes, excerpt below. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/11/sur...-wealthy-are-plotting-to-leave-us-behind.html

They started out innocuously enough. Ethereum or bitcoin? Is quantum computing a real thing? Slowly but surely, however, they edged into their real topics of concern.

Which region will be less impacted by the coming climate crisis: New Zealand or Alaska? Is Google really building Ray Kurzweil a home for his brain, and will his consciousness live through the transition, or will it die and be reborn as a whole new one? Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked, “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?”

For all their wealth and power, they don’t believe they can affect the future.
The Event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, unstoppable virus, or Mr. Robot hack that takes everything down.

This single question occupied us for the rest of the hour. They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from the angry mobs. But how would they pay the guards once money was worthless? What would stop the guards from choosing their own leader? The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers — if that technology could be developed in time.

 

[hopefultiger13]

So we normalize relations with China, but not Russia??? You guys need to think this out. China does as worse and more as Russia, but no one cares there currently. Its all hypocrisy in the name of left or right political agendas.

Like Russia, China is our enemy. There's no doubt about that.

 

[hopefultiger13]

I am not a Russian bot. I am an angry white man and proud of it, but none of this is about me. I support President Trump 100% until I see something that would change my mind and I havent seen it yet.

Dude, you are a Trumpian through and though. He walks on water and does nothing wrong. Even when there's pretty much total agreement on how he screwed up with Russian, you are still pumping Trump's ... well, you know. As Trump said, he could walk out in the street and shoot some random person down and his base would cheer him on. That's you. You are never going to see anything that changes your mind. He lies, you ignore it. He figuratively let's the Russians screw us and your reply is to basically welcome our new Russian overlords and cooperate as much as possible. Trump could LITERALLY piss down your back and you'd be on here saying how much you love this warm spring rain.

Angry white man... please. At what single point in history is it not good to be a white dude? As one myself, I can say that it's a pretty good gig. I have to earn my way of course, just like anyone else. But I generally always get the benefit of the doubt wherever I go or whatever I do.

 

[other1]

Like Russia, China is our enemy. There's no doubt about that.

Our allies in the European Union are our foe as well.

 

[dpotter24]

Run along junior, your boss needs another cup of coffee.

Get your ass off the stoop and work. Did Obama (aka forcing the American taxpayer) supplement your TI subscription for you as well?

 

[FLaw47]

Get your ass off the stoop and work. Did Obama (aka forcing the American taxpayer) supplement your TI subscription for you as well?

Wut?

 

[Howard's Jock]

Get your ass off the stoop and work. Did Obama (aka forcing the American taxpayer) supplement your TI subscription for you as well?

Wtf

 

[nytigerfan]

Get your ass off the stoop and work. Did Obama (aka forcing the American taxpayer) supplement your TI subscription for you as well?

 

[iceheart08]

Get your ass off the stoop and work. Did Obama (aka forcing the American taxpayer) supplement your TI subscription for you as well?

Yikes.

 

[firegiver]

Were you dumbasses laughing on election night?
Obama stopped the Russian probe because the idiots that trotted out Hillary thought she was going to win and didn't want to interfere and what happened, you LOST.

I always love the Libtards that brag how educated they are and yet they were stupid enough to allow Hillary Clinton to lead them to defeat.

I fvcking hate hilliary. She ran because of hubris.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Dude, you are a Trumpian through and though. He walks on water and does nothing wrong. Even when there's pretty much total agreement on how he screwed up with Russian, you are still pumping Trump's ... well, you know. As Trump said, he could walk out in the street and shoot some random person down and his base would cheer him on. That's you. You are never going to see anything that changes your mind. He lies, you ignore it. He figuratively let's the Russians screw us and your reply is to basically welcome our new Russian overlords and cooperate as much as possible. Trump could LITERALLY piss down your back and you'd be on here saying how much you love this warm spring rain.

Angry white man... please. At what single point in history is it not good to be a white dude? As one myself, I can say that it's a pretty good gig. I have to earn my way of course, just like anyone else. But I generally always get the benefit of the doubt wherever I go or whatever I do.

I am a strong Trump supporter and that is obvious. I didnt love his performance at Helsinki especially in light of him knowing the media was in pounce mode, but he is not perfect...oh well. I do not blindly support him though....this is not a cult of personality thing. I support Trump because his policies are what I agree with and endorse. Now since he is for the most part doing what I agree with, then I am going to back him when the detractors try to break him down at every turn.

I still fully believe President Trump is 100% for America and not connected with anything Russia did leading up to the election. Hillary was much more involved with foreign actors than Trump would have even dreamed of to be honest. The apocalyptic treatment the media threw out yesterday was disgraceful. I honestly feel sorry for President Trump with what he is putting up with to help make our country great again, its been sustained non stop attacks.

Angry white man is in reference to how the liberal media tries to portray middle aged and older white men in America like we are upset that our apple cart has been turned over and are whining and mad. Thats not me, but since the left loves the term, then I am happy to adopt it.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Well I guess there isn't anything left to say here.

The rule of law and individual agency doesn't matter to you. I suppose you can't refer to yourself as a conservative now.

What does the Access Hollywood video have to do with law? Nothing....thats what. No law was broken. I am more libertarian than anything, but Trump's the best option for the US currently. He is an outsider upsetting the party in Washington of the democrats and republicans.

 

[Rychek4]

I fvcking hate hilliary. She ran because of hubris.

Hillary was a terrible pick and only won the nomination because the democrats have super-delegates in their nomination process.

You almost always want a youngish governor to run if you want to maximize your odds of winning.

 

[Rychek4]

No law was broken.

Go back and reread the quote, there is every indication he grabbed them without consent. That is against the law.

Not to mention the fact that she was married, but hell if you can overlook him cheating on his wife with a pornstar, you can overlook anything from a morality perspective.

 

[hopefultiger13]

I am a strong Trump supporter and that is obvious. I didnt love his performance at Helsinki especially in light of him knowing the media was in pounce mode, but he is not perfect...oh well. I do not blindly support him though....this is not a cult of personality thing. I support Trump because his policies are what I agree with and endorse. Now since he is for the most part doing what I agree with, then I am going to back him when the detractors try to break him down at every turn.

I still fully believe President Trump is 100% for America and not connected with anything Russia did leading up to the election. Hillary was much more involved with foreign actors than Trump would have even dreamed of to be honest. The apocalyptic treatment the media threw out yesterday was disgraceful. I honestly feel sorry for President Trump with what he is putting up with to help make our country great again, its been sustained non stop attacks.

Angry white man is in reference to how the liberal media tries to portray middle aged and older white men in America like we are upset that our apple cart has been turned over and are whining and mad. Thats not me, but since the left loves the term, then I am happy to adopt it.

I'm mostly down with this.

This may not be the case, but for me, this is the very first time you've ever said anything not 100% positive about Trump. As I mention (but probably not often enough) he's done some good things, particularly on the economy. I definitely put you down in the cult of personality group. It's nice to know that you aren't. I also agree that the mainstream media is biased against him (while Foxnews gives him a free pass on everything he does).

HOWEVER, Trump deserved EVERYTHING he got from both sides of the aisle and the media yesterday. Our leader went on record to the world and said he didn't trust our own intelligence agencies and believes Russia (an enemy nation) over them. He basically called these agencies and their leadership liars, including the SS that protects him every day. He figuratively took a dump on the US and wiped his ass with the flag. That's NOT putting America first or making us great again. That's poor and disgraceful leadership, period. Praise in public and critique in private...

That being said, I have no problem with him talking to Russia (and NK). We should want better relations with both. Talk, talk, talk is better than war, war, war.

And I stand corrected on the angry white guy thing. Although I think FoxNews does a much better job at putting white dudes on display that somehow seem angry that the traditional monopoly on power is shifting away from them (as it should). I'm of the opinion that skin color is one of the least interesting aspects of a person (unless it's on a woman and a lot of it is showing... THEN I'm interested...but I digress). I don't believe that everyone is equal (nor do I believe that our founding fathers meant this literally when they wrote it... we are all different, with different strengths and weaknesses... that's the very definition of not equal) BUT I do believe that EVERYONE should be born with an equal chance to be whatever they can be AND everything should get equal protection under the law.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Go back and reread the quote, there is every indication he grabbed them without consent. That is against the law.

Not to mention the fact that she was married, but hell if you can overlook him cheating on his wife with a pornstar, you can overlook anything from a morality perspective.

We didnt elect Trump to be our preacher. No way a law was broken on that video...thats a cosmic level reach.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Hillary was a terrible pick and only won the nomination because the democrats have super-delegates in their nomination process.

You almost always want a youngish governor to run if you want to maximize your odds of winning.

You make good points here without a doubt.

 

[Rychek4]

We didnt elect Trump to be our preacher.

Is this a suggestion that it's okay to have a president with no moral compass?

 

[orangelvis]

Is this a suggestion that it's okay to have a president with no moral compass?

Are you suggesting Trump has no moral compass? If so, how do you know and how would one compare the moral compass of Trump with the moral compass of say...Hillary.

 

[Rychek4]

Are you suggesting Trump has no moral compass? If so, how do you know and how would one compare the moral compass of Trump with the moral compass of say...Hillary.

Hillary is probably about the same, I wasn't talking about her though.

 

[FLaw47]

Hillary is probably about the same, I wasn't talking about her though.

Not to sidetrack, but I think that's a false equivalency. At the very least, the Clinton Foundation is an efficient charity (even if you are inclined to believe they were financed in an unscrupulous manner) that has done some real good in the world. To the best of our knowledge she's never cheated on her spouse either. I don't think it's reasonable to say that Clinton and Trump are equivalent on this front.

 

[orangelvis]

Not to sidetrack, but I think that's a false equivalency. At the very least, the Clinton Foundation is an efficient charity (even if you are inclined to believe they were financed in an unscrupulous manner) that has done some real good in the world. To the best of our knowledge she's never cheated on her spouse either. I don't think it's reasonable to say that Clinton and Trump are equivalent on this front.

Then obviously comparing the various "moral compass" of elected people is nothing but a matter of opinion. Not quantifiable in absolutes.

 

[Rychek4]

Then obviously comparing the various "moral compass" of elected people is nothing but a matter of opinion. Not quantifiable in absolutes.

I agree we should not be comparing the moral compass of elected people (although one could argue that only one of those two people is currently elected), we should actively engaging in trying to define the level of morality reflected by those people that represent all American's at the highest levels.... Like President.

 

[TigerGrowls]

I agree we should not be comparing the moral compass of elected people (although one could argue that only one of those two people is currently elected), we should actively engaging in trying to define the level of morality reflected by those people that represent all American's at the highest levels.... Like President.

I think Trump has a strong moral compass in his own way. He has a great sense of purpose and resolve to help America. He is far short of being perfect as we all are, but I think he is the man to do the job at this time. Trump is unlike anyone to ever occupy the White House and its good!

 

[FLaw47]

I think Trump has a strong moral compass in his own way. He has a great sense of purpose and resolve to help America Donald Trump.[./QUOTE]

FTFY. He's very consistent in his moral code, you're right. The only thing that matters to him is watching out for Number One and that's evidenced in virtually everything he's done.