I know a lot of you hate on Newspring. But did any of you attend today's

[Esso Porch]

You think NewSpring could migrate into Atlanta and get some of these people to go to church? The last few Sunday mornings I've gone to the aquarium, zoo and six flags and they've been packed. I really need you guys to get these people to church before the Falcons/Saints opener...I realize that's a lot to ask so next summer would be OK too

 

[Charybdis]

Lulz. Listening to Christians argue over theology is akin to watching small children argue over which super hero has the best magical powers.

If Newspringers get something out of their church, let them have it. If others hate Newspring, that's fine. None of you are speaking from any position of authority on the matter, so just let people do their thing.

This post was edited on 8/18 10:16 AM by Charybdis

 

[Chefkdh]

Originally posted by Esso Porch:

You think NewSpring could migrate into Atlanta and get some of these people to go to church? The last few Sunday mornings I've gone to the aquarium, zoo and six flags and they've been packed. I really need you guys to get these people to church before the Falcons/Saints opener...I realize that's a lot to ask so next summer would be OK too

I know your comment was in jest, but Perry founded NewSpring based on the Andy Stanley's church. He has 4 or 5 churches north of the perimeter and then Buckhead Church which is right off Lenox.

 

[wta21080]

Originally posted by MillerHighLife21:

Originally posted by tigers71:
Members trully get angry and I see hatred in their christian eyes that I've not seen from fellow christian in my life.

This is not accurate at all. In any way shape or form.

It gets ATTACKED more than any other church and it's largely because of their numbers. Bigger target. People who actually go there continue to go there and see the messages week in and week out know exactly what is being preached, why it's done that way, have seen its effectiveness in their lives and the lives of others, etc. In other words, they know it's worth defending.

One of the wisest men I've ever met used to advise churches on selecting new preachers. He used to tell them "You are not the kingdom of God. You are a part of it. It is not your job to be everything to everybody. It is your job to reach those who you can reach."

He's 100% right. Newspring reaches people who have walked away from church or those who were ready to walk away from church by stripping away EVERYTHING that makes people walk away in order to create a non-intimidating environment for them to actually hear the message. It's right there in their charter "to reach people far from God." That's EXACTLY what they do. It's not supposed to be for everybody.

Oh that statement is extremely accurate. There are a few people who I've known for years that will not even speak to me anymore because I gave them my honest opinion on NS and Noble. I can tell you one thing for sure, members "owners", whatever, really do love their church and love their pastor. They mean what those T-Shirts say no doubt.

 

[scartiger]

Nmerritt +1

 

[CU Alumnus]

Re: I have a question for you New Springers.

Originally posted by catchandrelease:

If I was baptized as an infant in the name of God and I wanted to become a member of New Springs, would I have to be dunked in a swimming pool to be born again even though I am a confessed Christian? To me this is the difference between a real church and a mega church.

My church is that way too, and it is much more traditional. I really don't know that I understand the "Baptism by Immersion" requirement since Baptism is a show of faith to the outside world - it's not a "magical process" or anything.

I do understand that a believer should be baptized once he or she is able to profess their beliefs. I grew up in a church that did infant baptism but was baptized as an adult while in college.

I guess the point is that I do understand why a church wants a person to know what baptism is, but I don't think that a "sprinkle" baptism is any different than an immersion one.

I think the Catholic Church does the sprinkle method, and they are pretty strict with scripture.

 

[Ron Munson]

 

[SWUtigers]

Originally posted by Chefkdh:

Originally posted by Ron Munson:

Originally posted by Chefkdh:
The reason people hate NewSpring so much is that it is invading the Southern Baptist climate and heaven forbid you do anything different from them.

Southern Baptists are the most judgmental Christians there are in my opinion and are probably turning more people away from God and Church than they are to Him.

NewSpring is designed to bring non-believers to Church and to God. Many argue that NewSpring doesn't preach to current Christians or how to build the relationship. That is true to an extent because they believe those relationships are built through small circle groups that hold each other accountable.

Now I agree some things are over the top, but to say people worship and idolize Perry is ridiculous. I've heard just as many if not more Southern Baptists looking up to their small church's pastor.

Again, Christians should support the mission and other Christians. This debate needs to end. Like someone stated earlier, it isn't non-Christians that are hating on NewSpring, it's those Christians from other denominations and churches

You are correct about the second sentence.

But wrong about the first. I am sure many people there don't idolize Perry, but most do. This is proven by how insecure his followers are, and how they will defend him to no end. This is also proven by when Perry eoulf take vacations, a large portion of the church would not show up, do he stopped announcing to the church when he was going on vacation.

Recently Perry stated he would not be doing as many live services, some of them would be recorded, but he would not announced it, you wouldn't know until it was time for him to walk out that morning to begin the sermon. This was done because he knew many people would not come if he wasn't preaching.

Facts don't lie.

My question for you is, how does that differ from any other church? It's only more relevant because there's a larger number of people that attend NewSpring. I would imagine the percentages would compare though.

Their accounting practices, for one. Do YOU know how the money is being used annually outside of a pie chart on their website? As an "owner" are YOU certain your tithes are being used in a responsible manner and not to line the pockets of ole Perry? Are YOU able to access a detailed account of their financials like you can of smaller churches? Care to share with the group?

I'll hang up and listen...

 

[Ron Munson]

Originally posted by SWUtigers:

Originally posted by Chefkdh:

Originally posted by Ron Munson:

Originally posted by Chefkdh:
The reason people hate NewSpring so much is that it is invading the Southern Baptist climate and heaven forbid you do anything different from them.

Southern Baptists are the most judgmental Christians there are in my opinion and are probably turning more people away from God and Church than they are to Him.

NewSpring is designed to bring non-believers to Church and to God. Many argue that NewSpring doesn't preach to current Christians or how to build the relationship. That is true to an extent because they believe those relationships are built through small circle groups that hold each other accountable.

Now I agree some things are over the top, but to say people worship and idolize Perry is ridiculous. I've heard just as many if not more Southern Baptists looking up to their small church's pastor.

Again, Christians should support the mission and other Christians. This debate needs to end. Like someone stated earlier, it isn't non-Christians that are hating on NewSpring, it's those Christians from other denominations and churches

You are correct about the second sentence.

But wrong about the first. I am sure many people there don't idolize Perry, but most do. This is proven by how insecure his followers are, and how they will defend him to no end. This is also proven by when Perry eoulf take vacations, a large portion of the church would not show up, do he stopped announcing to the church when he was going on vacation.

Recently Perry stated he would not be doing as many live services, some of them would be recorded, but he would not announced it, you wouldn't know until it was time for him to walk out that morning to begin the sermon. This was done because he knew many people would not come if he wasn't preaching.

Facts don't lie.

My question for you is, how does that differ from any other church? It's only more relevant because there's a larger number of people that attend NewSpring. I would imagine the percentages would compare though.

Their accounting practices, for one. Do YOU know how the money is being used annually outside of a pie chart on their website? As an "owner" are YOU certain your tithes are being used in a responsible manner and not to line the pockets of ole Perry? Are YOU able to access a detailed account of their financials like you can of smaller churches? Care to share with the group?

I'll hang up and listen...

Apparently the "owners" of Newspring are under the impression that Perry donates all of his money back to the church, and lives off of the sales of his propaganda book.

 

[SWUtigers]

Originally posted by Ron Munson:

Originally posted by SWUtigers:

Originally posted by Chefkdh:

Originally posted by Ron Munson:

Originally posted by Chefkdh:
The reason people hate NewSpring so much is that it is invading the Southern Baptist climate and heaven forbid you do anything different from them.

Southern Baptists are the most judgmental Christians there are in my opinion and are probably turning more people away from God and Church than they are to Him.

NewSpring is designed to bring non-believers to Church and to God. Many argue that NewSpring doesn't preach to current Christians or how to build the relationship. That is true to an extent because they believe those relationships are built through small circle groups that hold each other accountable.

Now I agree some things are over the top, but to say people worship and idolize Perry is ridiculous. I've heard just as many if not more Southern Baptists looking up to their small church's pastor.

Again, Christians should support the mission and other Christians. This debate needs to end. Like someone stated earlier, it isn't non-Christians that are hating on NewSpring, it's those Christians from other denominations and churches

You are correct about the second sentence.

But wrong about the first. I am sure many people there don't idolize Perry, but most do. This is proven by how insecure his followers are, and how they will defend him to no end. This is also proven by when Perry eoulf take vacations, a large portion of the church would not show up, do he stopped announcing to the church when he was going on vacation.

Recently Perry stated he would not be doing as many live services, some of them would be recorded, but he would not announced it, you wouldn't know until it was time for him to walk out that morning to begin the sermon. This was done because he knew many people would not come if he wasn't preaching.

Facts don't lie.

My question for you is, how does that differ from any other church? It's only more relevant because there's a larger number of people that attend NewSpring. I would imagine the percentages would compare though.

Their accounting practices, for one. Do YOU know how the money is being used annually outside of a pie chart on their website? As an "owner" are YOU certain your tithes are being used in a responsible manner and not to line the pockets of ole Perry? Are YOU able to access a detailed account of their financials like you can of smaller churches? Care to share with the group?

I'll hang up and listen...

Apparently the "owners" of Newspring are under the impression that Perry donates all of his money back to the church, and lives off of the sales of his propaganda book.

That's certainly a great way to funnel the dough...

 

[Ron Munson]

Originally posted by SWUtigers:

Originally posted by Ron Munson:

Originally posted by SWUtigers:

Originally posted by Chefkdh:

Originally posted by Ron Munson:

Originally posted by Chefkdh:
The reason people hate NewSpring so much is that it is invading the Southern Baptist climate and heaven forbid you do anything different from them.

Southern Baptists are the most judgmental Christians there are in my opinion and are probably turning more people away from God and Church than they are to Him.

NewSpring is designed to bring non-believers to Church and to God. Many argue that NewSpring doesn't preach to current Christians or how to build the relationship. That is true to an extent because they believe those relationships are built through small circle groups that hold each other accountable.

Now I agree some things are over the top, but to say people worship and idolize Perry is ridiculous. I've heard just as many if not more Southern Baptists looking up to their small church's pastor.

Again, Christians should support the mission and other Christians. This debate needs to end. Like someone stated earlier, it isn't non-Christians that are hating on NewSpring, it's those Christians from other denominations and churches

You are correct about the second sentence.

But wrong about the first. I am sure many people there don't idolize Perry, but most do. This is proven by how insecure his followers are, and how they will defend him to no end. This is also proven by when Perry eoulf take vacations, a large portion of the church would not show up, do he stopped announcing to the church when he was going on vacation.

Recently Perry stated he would not be doing as many live services, some of them would be recorded, but he would not announced it, you wouldn't know until it was time for him to walk out that morning to begin the sermon. This was done because he knew many people would not come if he wasn't preaching.

Facts don't lie.

My question for you is, how does that differ from any other church? It's only more relevant because there's a larger number of people that attend NewSpring. I would imagine the percentages would compare though.

Their accounting practices, for one. Do YOU know how the money is being used annually outside of a pie chart on their website? As an "owner" are YOU certain your tithes are being used in a responsible manner and not to line the pockets of ole Perry? Are YOU able to access a detailed account of their financials like you can of smaller churches? Care to share with the group?

I'll hang up and listen...

Apparently the "owners" of Newspring are under the impression that Perry donates all of his money back to the church, and lives off of the sales of his propaganda book.

That's certainly a great way to funnel the dough...

Especially considering the church buys all of the books from him.

 

[jimbob1019]

Ok that's it!

Someone call Perry so that he can lay his majestic hands upon this thread!!

Well, only if he's washed them 1st...he has that internet porn addiction ya know...

 

[Chefkdh]

Originally posted by SWUtigers:

Originally posted by Chefkdh:

Originally posted by Ron Munson:

Originally posted by Chefkdh:
The reason people hate NewSpring so much is that it is invading the Southern Baptist climate and heaven forbid you do anything different from them.

Southern Baptists are the most judgmental Christians there are in my opinion and are probably turning more people away from God and Church than they are to Him.

NewSpring is designed to bring non-believers to Church and to God. Many argue that NewSpring doesn't preach to current Christians or how to build the relationship. That is true to an extent because they believe those relationships are built through small circle groups that hold each other accountable.

Now I agree some things are over the top, but to say people worship and idolize Perry is ridiculous. I've heard just as many if not more Southern Baptists looking up to their small church's pastor.

Again, Christians should support the mission and other Christians. This debate needs to end. Like someone stated earlier, it isn't non-Christians that are hating on NewSpring, it's those Christians from other denominations and churches

You are correct about the second sentence.

But wrong about the first. I am sure many people there don't idolize Perry, but most do. This is proven by how insecure his followers are, and how they will defend him to no end. This is also proven by when Perry eoulf take vacations, a large portion of the church would not show up, do he stopped announcing to the church when he was going on vacation.

Recently Perry stated he would not be doing as many live services, some of them would be recorded, but he would not announced it, you wouldn't know until it was time for him to walk out that morning to begin the sermon. This was done because he knew many people would not come if he wasn't preaching.

Facts don't lie.

My question for you is, how does that differ from any other church? It's only more relevant because there's a larger number of people that attend NewSpring. I would imagine the percentages would compare though.

Their accounting practices, for one. Do YOU know how the money is being used annually outside of a pie chart on their website? As an "owner" are YOU certain your tithes are being used in a responsible manner and not to line the pockets of ole Perry? Are YOU able to access a detailed account of their financials like you can of smaller churches? Care to share with the group?

I'll hang up and listen...

I am not an owner of NewSpring. My sisters go there and I attended off and on while I was in school at PC. I currently attend Buckhead Church in Atlanta.

 

[scartiger]

The Bible states in the last days they'll be churches that will blind even the believers.

 

[Ron Munson]

Originally posted by scartiger:
The Bible states in the last days they'll be churches that will blind even the believers.

Also states:


James 3:1 - Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

This post was edited on 8/18 11:19 AM by Ron Munson

 

[scartiger]

Agree Ron Munson cause they have a Higher calling.

 

[TAINT_PAINT]

Originally posted by jimbob1019:
Ok that's it!

Someone call Perry so that he can lay his majestic hands upon this thread!!

Well, only if he's washed them 1st...he has that internet porn addiction ya know...

I'M CONFUSED.

 

[Orange-Addict]

Re: I have a question for you New Springers.

Originally posted by catchandrelease:

If I was baptized as an infant in the name of God and I wanted to become a member of New Springs, would I have to be dunked in a swimming pool to be born again even though I am a confessed Christian? To me this is the difference between a real church and a mega church.

Any Baptist church would make the same requirement. I'm not religious but I think it is funny how so many people on here attack Newspring and I bet they've never once stepped foot in one or heard a sermon. Geesh, the OP was looking for comments about the damn video and it always denigrates into this bullshit. And, somebody called him a coot because he thought their video was produced better?? Really??

 

[Trading Tiger]

I agree with most of what you're saying. It doesn't bother me that Newspring doesn't celebrate the cross though. In fact, I never even realized it until someone here pointed it out and I started looking around and didn't see any. I went to Newspring a long time before I got the answer to that question, and that was just recently revealed. Some people however feel that their church owes them an immediate explanation and/or change if they don't like something. That's just sad.

After watching The Passion of The Christ, then hearing the explanation of the origin of the cross as a Christian symbol, and then hearing why Newspring doesn't use the cross, I understand and it doesn't bother me one bit.

 

[lswon812]

Originally posted by scartiger:
Agree Ron Munson cause they have a Higher calling.

The whole "pastor" dynamic was the main reason why Newspring wasn't for me/us.

1 - It bothered me from Day 1 that Perry was so adamant about not marrying or burying you, or any other form of interaction/discipleship/fellowship really. No, he doesn't HAVE to, and no he's not going to have the time to marry/bury everybody at a church that big, but he scoffs at the idea of it, and it just rubbed me the wrong way. The final straw was when he was preaching at the Greenville campus. We were checking our kids in and there was a big commotion in the corridor. The cause was Perry being escorted through the crowd to a back hallway. At least 5 or 6 people surrounded him and he made no effort to speak with anyone (at least for the 25-30 yards I saw) and it was obvious that the "escort" was there to keep people away. That is my pastor? Glad Paul, Peter, and the early teachers weren't like that.

 

[SWUtigers]

Originally posted by lswon812:

Originally posted by scartiger:
Agree Ron Munson cause they have a Higher calling.

The whole "pastor" dynamic was the main reason why Newspring wasn't for me/us.

1 - It bothered me from Day 1 that Perry was so adamant about not marrying or burying you, or any other form of interaction/discipleship/fellowship really. No, he doesn't HAVE to, and no he's not going to have the time to marry/bury everybody at a church that big, but he scoffs at the idea of it, and it just rubbed me the wrong way. The final straw was when he was preaching at the Greenville campus. We were checking our kids in and there was a big commotion in the corridor. The cause was Perry being escorted through the crowd to a back hallway. At least 5 or 6 people surrounded him and he made no effort to speak with anyone (at least for the 25-30 yards I saw) and it was obvious that the "escort" was there to keep people away. That is my pastor? Glad Paul, Peter, and the early teachers weren't like that.

But he has time for celebrities and college athletes.

 

[gardentiger]

The whole point of paedobaptism is that you had no choice in what you were doing. Covenant Theology demands your inaction in the points of Providence and Justification. "These promises are for you, your children and your children's children." Grace is something that is done to you. Baptism is something that is done to you. Circumcision is something that's done to you. Believer's Baptism makes sense to someone raised outside the faith and whom Christ chooses to make them aware of their election later on in life. Atheism has a holy spirit?? I do learn?

Originally posted by MTTiger19:
Catch. I appreciate your traditions and I am not attacking them in any way. I think it's awesome you were raised by godly people and they wanted what's best for you. All I'm saying is that baptism as a baby meant nothing as an adult bc you didn't know what u were doing. U had no say in the matter. It'd b like comparing an atheist saying I did a ceremony on my child as an infant to b atheist. It doesn't include the actual person. That same atheist may become a great leader for Christ. All I'm saying is we, as adolescents teens or adults, know and understand what it means to b baptized. You didn't have a clue what u were doing as an infant. I don't doubt your faith, I don't deny your traditions, I don't disagree w what your folks did. But to say what happened to u as an infant vs what you CHOOSE to do as your own person is different. Whether it b getting dunked at newspring or at ninety six baptist church, YOU made that decision. That's my only point. There are several traditions in the church, heck there are traditions in life, doesn't make them right OR wrong. I hope u understand I'm not judging u.

 

[Ron Munson]

Originally posted by TAINT_PAINT:

Originally posted by Ron Munson:

CLASSIC VIDEO ON GODTUBE.COM

Heaven help us all.

How can you squeeze so much phaggotry into one video?

 

[saber8689]

Hey guys, guess what!?!?!

This is a Clemson sports site.

3 of our recruits just got a major ranking bump and we passed the coots again in team ranking.

and you bums are talking about church...how about instead you do more of this:

and enjoy life a little.

 

[scartiger]

Iswon812 Jesus Himself went out to see and heal the sick. A Pastor is suppose to pattern they life in His ways. Christians also. Is he saying he's above Jesus? I know he can't see everyone that's sick but he could make a effort to see some.

 

[Ron Munson]

Originally posted by saber8689:
Hey guys, guess what!?!?!

This is a Clemson sports site.

3 of our recruits just got a major ranking bump and we passed the coots again in team ranking.

and you bums are talking about church...how about instead you do more of this:


and enjoy life a little.

Oh the irony.

 

[gardentiger]

My fav spoof on mega church link

 

[Transference]

Originally posted by Trading Tiger:
I agree with most of what you're saying. It doesn't bother me that Newspring doesn't celebrate the cross though. In fact, I never even realized it until someone here pointed it out and I started looking around and didn't see any. I went to Newspring a long time before I got the answer to that question, and that was just recently revealed. Some people however feel that their church owes them an immediate explanation and/or change if they don't like something. That's just sad.

After watching The Passion of The Christ, then hearing the explanation of the origin of the cross as a Christian symbol, and then hearing why Newspring doesn't use the cross, I understand and it doesn't bother me one bit.

It was the first Lord of the Rings that changed my belief system. Once I realized that Saruman was no more powerful than the rest of the Istari, the whole notion of one all powerful being fighting for good just doesn't hold its weight in mithril. Not to mention the fact that they are just creating Orcs out of nowhere. Something from nothing?!?! I didn't believe it until saw them rise from shadow of Isengard.

Also, if there was an all powerful being, wouldn't he just use those damn eagles to drop off the ring in Mordor instead of making a couple midgets walk thousands of miles to do so?

This post was edited on 8/18 12:55 PM by Transference

 

[Charybdis]

That Furtick video is f*****g unreal. How anyone can look at that video and not think that this dude is self-absorbed and at least a little off his rocker is beyond me.

 

[Ron Munson]

Originally posted by Charybdis:
That Furtick video is f*****g unreal. How anyone can look at that video and not think that this dude is self-absorbed and at least a little off his rocker is beyond me.

He has all of his followers brainwashed. Similar to Joseph Goebbels, Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc. They don't care what he does.

 

[gardentiger]

Furtick's built a 16,000 sqft house in Charlotte. Not 1600...16,000 sqft. And don't give me the hospitatlity bs. mansion

 

[Ron Munson]

Originally posted by gardentiger:
Furtick's built a 16,000 sqft house in Charlotte. Not 1600...16,000 sqft. And don't give me the hospitatlity bs. mansion

Furtick said the hardest part hasn't been what the public is saying about him. Instead, he is most upset about how the media attention may have affected members.

"I'm sorry for the uncomfortable conversations you had to have this week," Furtick said. One woman near the front responded, "No sorry needed."

"I have always tried to make this a church where you could be proud of your church," Furtick said. The congregation responded by giving Furtick a standing ovation.

Furtick continued by reiterating his commitment to creating a "ministry of integrity."

"That has not changed, and that will not change," he said.

He added that the church provides followers with access to copies of audited financial statements of the church, although Furtick has yet to make those statements public.

Furtick has also refused to reveal how much he makes from books and speaking engagements. He has also not disclosed his salary, which is not determined by the congregation but instead an appointed "Board of Overseers" comprised of other mega-church pastors.

He thanked the congregation on Sunday for "what you've prayed, what you've said and what you haven't said.

"We appreciate knowing that you have our back," he said.

Furtick added that the media "is not our enemy," noting that the media have a right to report what it wants to. "I do not call this an attack," he said. "This is a news story, and the media is not our enemy."


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Sweet Jesus what a pathetic bunch of sheep.

 

[One Fingerd Fist]

This thread is great! Christians arguing over who is crazier. My Jesus can beat up your Jesus! I want more schollarly Bible quotes! Those really drove points home.

 

[Ron Munson]

Originally posted by One Fingerd Fist:
This thread is great! Christians arguing over who is crazier. My Jesus can beat up your Jesus! I want more schollarly Bible quotes! Those really drove points home.

Isaiah 36:12 But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

 

[doodog]

LOL at having to "check your kids in" at church.

Wow. Just. Wow.

Truly pathetic.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[Ron Munson]

Originally posted by doodog:
LOL at having to "check your kids in" at church.

Wow. Just. Wow.

Truly pathetic.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Well if you don't agree with Perry's rules, then you are stupid, an idiot, and you suck at life. That is straight from Perry.

 

[saber8689]

Originally posted by Ron Munson:

Originally posted by Charybdis:
That Furtick video is f*****g unreal. How anyone can look at that video and not think that this dude is self-absorbed and at least a little off his rocker is beyond me.

He has all of his followers brainwashed. Similar to Joseph Goebbels, Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc. They don't care what he does.

Now that is Irony.

 

[96tigergrad]

6 pages minimum

 

[tigerGUY]

Originally posted by Trading Tiger:
Here is my question...why does it bother you so much what Newspring does? Why do you even care?

This is not like politics where even though you might not have voted for the people in office and agree with what they're doing, you still have to do what they say. I understand the frustration on the subject of politics. This is Church, specifically one church, if you don't like it, there are plenty of others. And what I find really interesting, it's not non-Christians who have the biggest gripes with Newspring, it's other Christians or people who think they're Christians.

This is nothing but jealousy. People can't stand the fact that a preacher has a better house than them, has a better car than them, or whatever. They try to justify their ill feelings by saying all sorts of ridiculous things and making wild accusations.

So I ask again, why do you even care?

Mentioning politics.....why isn't this this sent to Round Table like the political threads hated by the Liberals on TI? Just asking.

 

[TheClemsonJaguar]

This is a page from teh coloring book that Elevation gives to kids in it's Sunday school program. It screams cult