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you do know that Obama was a community organizer, right? did that make him qualified?

this is by far the dumbest talking point when it comes to Obama. community organizer was one of several things he did prior to becoming a prominent politician. he also worked as a civil rights attorney and taught constitutional law for 12 years. then he became a senator. why his three years as a community organizer from 1985-1988 is even relevant is beyond me, since it's not even a bad thing. stop reading chain emails please.
 
I don't see how she is going to get confirmed though. You would think all democrats would go against her, as well as a few republicans. I did not follow her confirmation hearing, but I went back through and read the transcript, and she sounds like an idiot. And I don't mean that in the way people throw that word around to describe people who they don't agree with...I mean she sounds like an idiot. The exchange with Franken, Tim Kaine and the whole grizzly bear thing was very strange.

My guess is she is the 1 pick where Trump has to go find someone else.

Maybe, but if you think some Republicans are going to defect, then you should look at the way they treated her. To me, they didn't treat her like somebody they weren't going to confirm.

I think the how grizzly bear thing is wildly overblown. She was simply illustrating the fact that a one-size fits all policy imposed by the federal government doesn't make sense when schools are dealing with really diverse issues. The whole bear thing came from a real life example of a school where they had so many problems with grizzlies that they had to build a fence to keep them out. One problem bear had to be shot, and its hide is up on the wall inside the school: http://www.denverpost.com/2005/09/12/lessons-in-bear-country/. So, as usual, Democrats are misrepresenting things.
 
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this is by far the dumbest talking point when it comes to Obama. community organizer was one of several things he did prior to becoming a prominent politician. he also worked as a civil rights attorney and taught constitutional law for 12 years. then he became a senator. why his three years as a community organizer from 1985-1988 is even relevant is beyond me, since it's not even a bad thing. stop reading chain emails please.
Um, the liberals are the ones that spout "From a lowly community organizer to President is such a great achievement!" Nice try, thanks for playing, though.
 
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Well it is true.

no, it's not. there are plenty of older people, including those in my immediate family, who make a very comfortable income and still choose to vote democrat. older generations on the whole vote more conservative predominantly because of social issues, not because you gain any significant wisdom or better understanding of "how government works" as you grow older.
 
Really not sure if I could make it through the day without my dose of Facebook memes and liberal tears on the rocks. Guilty as charged.

you sound like a really cool guy who likely uses the phrases libtard and lamestream media in your everyday life
 
Not really. Everyone has seen the statistics as to how we rate internationally in education.

Most everyone can agree no child left behind has been a failure, and Bush should have never signed it into law.

The Dept of Education began in 1980. Schools obviously did fine without out.
 
Um, the liberals are the ones that spout "From a lowly community organizer to President is such a great achievement!" Nice try, thanks for playing, though.

lol so you're just moving the goalposts on the original question you asked. you questioned how obama being a "community organizer" made him qualified to be president. I then pointed out to you that community organizer was merely one job he held as part of a fairly robust resume, including him working as a civil rights attorney and as a US Senator. So did you just have no knowledge of those credentials or were you being intentionally obtuse?
 
I'm as conservative as anyone, but no clue why it's a bad idea to have national standards. You really want Joe Blow from Starr-Iva deciding what these kids should know in 5th grade?

I think one reason SC public schools have sucked for so long is because every year they change their minds on their "standards". They have the PACT test, then PASS test, then ACT or whatever, now SCPASS. Bunch of freaking idiots in Columbia - I've stayed at the same hotel in Myrtle Beach during their "Leadership Conference" at the Embassy Suites. You should see these people.

Just have a national set of guidelines, a national test, and everyone is on the same page. You can always send your kid to the local private Montessori school where there are no standards and your kid can screw around with stuff all day "learning at his own pace."
 
you sound like a really cool guy who likely uses the phrases libtard and lamestream media in your everyday life
Actually no. I refuse to resort to name calling because it serves no purpose other than to denigrate someone for having a different point of view. This is something many on the left don't understand, and, quite frankly, its one of the reasons why they lost this election. And they still don't get it. If someone instantly starts calling me derogatory names, the conversation is over. You clearly don't respect me enough to call me by my name, so I'm not going to respect your point of view. Simple as that.

And for the record, I'm not a Trump fan. I hate the Clinton's and all they stand for. She is one of the most corrupt people to ever serve in public life.

And no, I don't listen to Rush, I think he's got an enormous ego and likes to hear himself talk.

Does that cover all the bases for you?

**Edit - I now see this wasn't directed at me, but my point still stand.
 
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no, it's not. there are plenty of older people, including those in my immediate family, who make a very comfortable income and still choose to vote democrat. older generations on the whole vote more conservative predominantly because of social issues, not because you gain any significant wisdom or better understanding of "how government works" as you grow older.

Thats true, and I do understand what you are saying.

But there is a much higher percentage of young people who are clueless. You look at the large majority of Bernie supports, the BLM protesters, the occupy wall street protesters, and all the same space BS. Most all of those people are young people, that don't understand how free college, free health care, forgive all student loans, etc.

Now I also will say, on the Republican side, that clueless block are the older people who believe Obama is a muslim and michelle Obama's mother will get a 180k pension from the federal government and don't understand that their medicare, ss, and farm subsidies are entitlements...the same entitlements they rally against and blame "the blacks" for.
 
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Actually no. I refuse to resort to name calling because it serves no purpose other than to denigrate someone for having a different point of view. This is something many on the left don't understand, and, quite frankly, its one of the reasons why they lost this election. And they still don't get it. If someone instantly starts calling me derogatory names, the conversation is over. You clearly don't respect me enough to call me by my name, so I'm not going to respect your point of view. Simple as that.

And for the record, I'm not a Trump fan. I hate the Clinton's and all they stand for. She is one of the most corrupt people to ever serve in public life.

And no, I don't listen to Rush, I think he's got an enormous ego and likes to hear himself talk.

Does that cover all the bases for you?

dude the only thing you need to work on is your message board acumen because that post wasn't even in response to yours. I made fun of that guy specifically because he posted a really lame Facebook meme. I feel like my responses to your posts, while maybe a tad colorful, have contained mostly substantive points.
 
dude the only thing you need to work on is your message board acumen because that post wasn't even in response to yours. I made fun of that guy specifically because he posted a really lame Facebook meme. I feel like my responses to your posts, while maybe a tad colorful, have contained mostly substantive points.
I saw that and it was duly noted in my edit.
 
Actually no. I refuse to resort to name calling because it serves no purpose other than to denigrate someone for having a different point of view. This is something many on the left don't understand, and, quite frankly, its one of the reasons why they lost this election. And they still don't get it. If someone instantly starts calling me derogatory names, the conversation is over. You clearly don't respect me enough to call me by my name, so I'm not going to respect your point of view. Simple as that.

And for the record, I'm not a Trump fan. I hate the Clinton's and all they stand for. She is one of the most corrupt people to ever serve in public life.

And no, I don't listen to Rush, I think he's got an enormous ego and likes to hear himself talk.

Does that cover all the bases for you?

**Edit - I now see this wasn't directed at me, but my point still stand.

so calling me "boy" doesnt constitute "name calling", thats just a word of endearment that you use often in your life.
 
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Thats true, and I do understand what you are saying.

But there is a much higher percentage of young people who are clueless. You look at the large majority of Bernie supports, the BLM protesters, the occupy wall street protesters, and all the same space BS. Most all of those people are young people, that don't understand how free college, free health care, forgive all student loans, etc.

Now I also will say, on the Republican side, that clueless block are the older people who believe Obama is a muslim and michelle Obama's mother will get a 180k pension from the federal government and don't understand that their medicare, ss, and farm subsidies are entitlements...the same entitlements they rally against and blame "the blacks" for.

I think you're generalizing a bit but I agree in substance with a lot of what you said here so fair enough. i just find it pretty ridiculous for you and jimbob to not see any merits with a "grown man" voting liberal. I find it appalling that anyone could vote for Trump for a myriad of reasons, a lot of which don't even deal with politics, but in general I can at least understand the republican/conservative viewpoint.
 
so calling me "boy" doesnt constitute "name calling", thats just a word of endearment that you use often in your life.
I wasn't aware that referring to your gender was racist, guess I've learned something new!

Typical liberal response, though, resorting to the racism card. I'd expect nothing less.
 
you sound like a really cool guy who likely uses the phrases libtard and lamestream media in your everyday life

Never heard lamestream but I'll have to incorporate that into my Tweets when I'm posting anti-Hilary memes while driving 10 under the speed limit in the left lane. #Merica
 
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Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Also, it is not proven he hasn't paid taxes. And you need to be more specific. He has certainly paid payroll and property taxes.

Don't blame Trump, blame horrible politicians in Washington (republicans and democrats), for creating the tax system we have.
Good point but if he had nothing to hide he would have released his tax returns like most all other prez candidates did. Who goes to DC?? Generally speaking, rich folk. Who makes the tax laws?? People in DC. So the rich folk aren't going to make laws that ultimately screw themselves out of money.
 
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I think you're generalizing a bit but I agree in substance with a lot of what you said here so fair enough. i just find it pretty ridiculous for you and jimbob to not see any merits with a "grown man" voting liberal. I find it appalling that anyone could vote for Trump for a myriad of reasons, a lot of which don't even deal with politics, but in general I can at least understand the republican/conservative viewpoint.

I never said anything about a grown man voting liberal. I just said a lot of young people, particularly college students vote liberal.

And for the record, I did not vote for Trump in the primaries. Of the 22 that ran (17R and 5D), I didnt like any of them.

Hillary, O'Mally, Chaffee, Perry, Christie, Jindal, Walker, Santorum were all terrible.

We don't need another Bush.

Bernie, while I actually respect the guy, is way too far left for this country and he would not have accomplished anything.

The only people I really liked were Webb, Paul and Kasich...none of which I was excited about.

Point being...22 candidates, and they all sucked.
 
Good point but if he had nothing to hide he would have released his tax returns like most all other prez candidates did. Who goes to DC?? Generally speaking, rich folk. Who makes the tax laws?? People in DC. So the rich folk aren't going to make laws that ultimately screw themselves out of money.

You are 100% correct. Same reason they vote against term limits, and opted themselves out of Obamacare....yet we keep electing career politicians.

With politicians, it is do as I say, not as I do.
 
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I never said anything about a grown man voting liberal. I just said a lot of young people, particularly college students vote liberal.

And for the record, I did not vote for Trump in the primaries. Of the 22 that ran (17R and 5D), I didnt like any of them.

Hillary, O'Mally, Chaffee, Perry, Christie, Jindal, Walker, Santorum were all terrible.

We don't need another Bush.

Bernie, while I actually respect the guy, is way too far left for this country and he would not have accomplished anything.

The only people I really liked were Webb, Paul and Kasich...none of which I was excited about.

Point being...22 candidates, and they all sucked.
I liked Kasich. He seemed to be relatively stable.
 
I wasn't aware that referring to your gender was racist, guess I've learned something new!

Typical liberal response, though, resorting to the racism card. I'd expect nothing less.

mine was mostly a joke. but "boy" is certainly condescending. also, do you plan to respond to my post about Obama's resume or just letting that one go?
 
8 years ago this country elected a community organizer with a sum total of 4 years experience in government, but he had the support of the news media & the establishment of the democratic party. He represented exactly 0.0% of my views. I was told by the media & his supporters that, if I disagreed with him, it was because I was a racist. I was also told by his supporters & the media that "He won, get over it".

4 years ago, that same community organizer, with a sum total of 8 years experience in government, who represented 0.0% of my views, was elected again. Once again, I was told by the media & his supporters that, if I disagreed with him, it was because I was a racist. Once again, I was told by his supporters & the media that "He won, get over it".

Last year, 2 candidates were campaigning for the office of President of the United States. One of them represented 0.0% of my views, was supported by the news media & the establishment of the democratic party, was a career politician as well as a documented liar, was proven to have been an influence peddler while in positions of authority, but was presented as someone that was more qualified to be POTUS. If I disagreed with her, I was told by the candidate herself & by the media that I was a deplorable misogynist sexist xenophobe.

Her opponent was a very successful business leader who was presented by the media as a scoundrel that wasn't qualified to be president, because he had no government experience. While don't necessarily like this person, he did represent 90% of my views &, while shown to be a arrogant a$$hole, he wasn't a documented liar & he wasn't a proven influence peddler. In my view, he would take the country in the direction I prefer that it go. As a result, I have been told by his opponent's supporters that I am an insensitive a$$hole who should be killed.

At what point can anyone that didn't vote for Trump accept what we were told twice in the last 8 years..."Get over it, he won" without wishing death on those who disagree with them?


The fact that President Obama represented 0.0% of your views shows that you were a very closed minded individual. Some of the views and policies proposals that President Obama had in the beginning of his presidency were conservative ideas because he was trying to govern from the middle. For all the people on the left that hate everything Trump, they will have to acknowledge that all of Trump's ideas and policies are not conservative.

Anyone that wishes death on another person because of their political views is an extremist but so is a conservative that states that President Obama had 0.0% views that were aligned with their thinking. You wasn't paying attention the last 8 years.
 
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I liked Kasich. He seemed to be relatively stable.

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Maybe, but if you think some Republicans are going to defect, then you should look at the way they treated her. To me, they didn't treat her like somebody they weren't going to confirm.

I think the how grizzly bear thing is wildly overblown. She was simply illustrating the fact that a one-size fits all policy imposed by the federal government doesn't make sense when schools are dealing with really diverse issues. The whole bear thing came from a real life example of a school where they had so many problems with grizzlies that they had to build a fence to keep them out. One problem bear had to be shot, and its hide is up on the wall inside the school: http://www.denverpost.com/2005/09/12/lessons-in-bear-country/. So, as usual, Democrats are misrepresenting things.

Here were the reactions of Republicans to DeVos's nomination. They're all pretty effusive, including from the Committee Chair and George HW Bush's Education Secretary, Lamar Alexander: http://www.thecollegefix.com/bullet...s-nomination-betsy-devos-education-secretary/
 
You are 100% correct. Same reason they vote against term limits, and opted themselves out of Obamacare....yet we keep electing career politicians.

With politicians, it is do as I say, not as I do.

Far from "opting themselves out of Obamacare," they (Republicans who thought of the amendment as a poison pill) actually opted themselves into it when they had no need to because they were covered by the same kind of employer-sponsored health insurance many others have. I'm all for calling out venality and corruption when it's real, but there's way too much fact-free scapegoating of politicians, as if they were anything other than our representatives.
 
I wasn't aware that referring to your gender was racist, guess I've learned something new!

Typical liberal response, though, resorting to the racism card. I'd expect nothing less.

jesus, you are literally a walking talking chain email. I didnt say it was racist, i implied that it was obvious "name calling", that you so strongly decry in another post.
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/us/politics/rick-perry-energy-secretary-donald-trump.html?_r=0

If MAGA is Trump appointing all these billionaire "leaders" to positions they have absolutely zero knowledge about, then he is batting 1.000%. Rick Perry accepted the position of Energy Secretary and actually thought that his job would consist of promoting the oil industry. His job as Energy Secretary, if confirmed, would be to manage and keep safe the Nation's NUCLEAR stockpile and create nuclear policy. The nominee for Secretary of Education admitted she has never attended a public school in her life, nor has any of her kids, but lucky for us, SOME people she knows (I assume her maids and employees, since she is also a billionaire) have had kids in public schools . God Help Us!

I guess Dabo needs to hire a new D-Line coach that not only doesn't have any experience coaching Defensive Lineman, but someone that has never coached football in order to Make Clemson Great Again. The TI/Yahoo servers would crash. This is a new era where supposedly outsiders with no experience is great for our country in MAGA.

This isn't true, either: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444024/rick-perry-new-york-times-hit-job-perry-fake-news
 
Well, he's not gonna take a salary as President so there's that...

Not even a drop in the bucket saved compared to what it's costing to protect the First Lady and family in NYC. Who needs the White House when you have Trump Tower, AMIRITE?
 
Not even a drop in the bucket saved compared to what it's costing to protect the First Lady and family in NYC. Who needs the White House when you have Trump Tower, AMIRITE?

Part of the job...just like Barry and Michelle flying all over the world and Barry's daily golf game.
 

The national review claiming a non-flattering article about a republican is fake news; that is expected. What can't be disputed is that Rick Perry advocated for the dismantle of the Department of Energy because it was Federal overeach by the government. Today during his confirmation hearing he states that he regrets advocating for the dismantle of DOE when he was running for president. Is it because he now actually knows what is the true function of the Department of Energy? The DOE was overseeing the country's nuclear stockpile when he couldn't remember the name of the department and saying the department wasn't needed.
 
It hard to believe just how bad some things are; few Americans really have a clue.

My older brother was talking to a guy at one of the military bases in the Low Country (not Shaw, don't remember which), but he had exact numbers on the following:
Of all the FA 18s on this particular base, over 80% of them are stuck on the ground because they have no budget to buy parts and keep them in the air.

Our POTUS KNOWS this, and has done it ON PURPOSE!
Anyone who defends that man either has NO CLUE, or hates America. And there are a lot of both.

Over 20% of our spending is on defense. We spend way more today than we did during the Cold War (adjusted for inflation). These stories give me hope, thanks!
 
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