***In Game Thread: Trump/Biden Debate #2***

[kgwillison]

everyone trusted obamacare for the most part and their monthly premiums doubled and coverage was reduced.

thats kinda scary.

then the mandate.

i dont know anyone whose rates were reduced once obamacare came online.

healthcare cost need to be reduced.

how do you reduce the cost of an office visit

an mri

blood work

why is it all still expensive

the technology has been around and should be cheap

liability and regulations are the 2 most likely candidates to look at to reduce cost

You aren't serious are you? The technology is very expensive. Do you think hospitals are using MRI machines from 2000? For instance, have you seen the dramatic improvement in sonagrams when women can see their babies? My kids were born 30 and 35 years ago and we are light years ahead now of what we could see then. Same is true in just about every technology.

Look at surgical techniques. Think doctors are still limited to using techniques from 20 years ago? No way.

And guess what? When you go to a doctor or hospital, would you ask to be hooked up to a machine that is 20 years old (both in age and condition) or one that is new? Everyone wants the latest equipment and best health options.

The cost of medicine is NOT going to go down under any president. But this president, with a GOP House and GOP Senate, promised a cheaper and better alternative to ObamaCare. And then it NEVER even produced a plan. Now Trump says one will come out soon. But he's been saying that for 2 years.

And in your heart (and head) you have to admit that Trump hasn't a clue how to solve this issue. Remember when he said early in his term, "no one has any idea how complicated health care is." Ah, yeah everyone knew. The problem is Trump has no ability to comprehend difficult issues and develop public policy.

Biden will put competent people in his administration. No Dr. Scott Atlas. No DCI Radcliffe. No AG Barr. No EPA Administrator Pruitt. No HHS Sec. Price. He won't ask a neurosurgeon to be the Housing Sec.

 

[kgwillison]

Bubbles are actually quite fun

Whether political of economic

Greed is always at the heart of such actions


Liberals dont believe greed to be part of human nature

Ah, what were all of the 1% protests about? Greed.

 

[KennyRogersRoasters]

You aren't serious are you? The technology is very expensive. Do you think hospitals are using MRI machines from 2000? For instance, have you seen the dramatic improvement in sonagrams when women can see their babies? My kids were born 30 and 35 years ago and we are light years ahead now of what we could see then. Same is true in just about every technology.

Look at surgical techniques. Think doctors are still limited to using techniques from 20 years ago? No way.

And guess what? When you go to a doctor or hospital, would you ask to be hooked up to a machine that is 20 years old (both in age and condition) or one that is new? Everyone wants the latest equipment and best health options.

The cost of medicine is NOT going to go down under any president. But this president, with a GOP House and GOP Senate, promised a cheaper and better alternative to ObamaCare. And then it NEVER even produced a plan. Now Trump says one will come out soon. But he's been saying that for 2 years.

And in your heart (and head) you have to admit that Trump hasn't a clue how to solve this issue. Remember when he said early in his term, "no one has any idea how complicated health care is." Ah, yeah everyone knew. The problem is Trump has no ability to comprehend difficult issues and develop public policy.

Biden will put competent people in his administration. No Dr. Scott Atlas. No DCI Radcliffe. No AG Barr. No EPA Administrator Pruitt. No HHS Sec. Price. He won't ask a neurosurgeon to be the Housing Sec.

HAHA, he's off to a roaring start with his VP selection.

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

Ah, what were all of the 1% protests about? Greed.

Please factor in laziness, and power.

 

[appalachiatiger]

And in your heart (and head) you have to admit that Trump hasn't a clue how to solve this issue. Remember when he said early in his term, "no one has any idea how complicated health care is." Ah, yeah everyone knew. The problem is Trump has no ability to comprehend difficult issues and develop public policy

Ah, what were all of the 1% protests about? Greed.

Wall street was responsible for the first civil war

War is always abouy greed

 

[jakefest]

You aren't serious are you? The technology is very expensive. Do you think hospitals are using MRI machines from 2000? For instance, have you seen the dramatic improvement in sonagrams when women can see their babies? My kids were born 30 and 35 years ago and we are light years ahead now of what we could see then. Same is true in just about every technology.

Look at surgical techniques. Think doctors are still limited to using techniques from 20 years ago? No way.

And guess what? When you go to a doctor or hospital, would you ask to be hooked up to a machine that is 20 years old (both in age and condition) or one that is new? Everyone wants the latest equipment and best health options.

The cost of medicine is NOT going to go down under any president. But this president, with a GOP House and GOP Senate, promised a cheaper and better alternative to ObamaCare. And then it NEVER even produced a plan. Now Trump says one will come out soon. But he's been saying that for 2 years.

And in your heart (and head) you have to admit that Trump hasn't a clue how to solve this issue. Remember when he said early in his term, "no one has any idea how complicated health care is." Ah, yeah everyone knew. The problem is Trump has no ability to comprehend difficult issues and develop public policy.

Biden will put competent people in his administration. No Dr. Scott Atlas. No DCI Radcliffe. No AG Barr. No EPA Administrator Pruitt. No HHS Sec. Price. He won't ask a neurosurgeon to be the Housing Sec.

You know that many Europeans and Canadians often pay for additional private health insurance to supplement the free healthcare provided as part of their taxes right? Do you know why they do that? Because the free health care doesn't give access to the highly specialized doctors, the top rated surgeons and things like state of the art MRI machines. The free health care gives them coverage but often not top rated coverage.

While I think ObamaCare was morally the right way forward, it missed structurally. I think the right answer is overhaul and reform to make it more efficient, not necessarily killing it off. Trump does need to spend some time talking through his ideas, I agree this is an area where it isn't clear if he has a plan or not.

That said, Biden's idea that tax dollars can fund it aren't right either. I'm tired of being penalized by the government for poor execution and cost management.

 

[FLaw47]

You know that many Europeans and Canadians often pay for additional private health insurance to supplement the free healthcare provided as part of their taxes right? Do you know why they do that? Because the free health care doesn't give access to the highly specialized doctors, the top rated surgeons and things like state of the art MRI machines. The free health care gives them coverage but often not top rated coverage.

While I think ObamaCare was morally the right way forward, it missed structurally. I think the right answer is overhaul and reform to make it more efficient, not necessarily killing it off. Trump does need to spend some time talking through his ideas, I agree this is an area where it isn't clear if he has a plan or not.

That said, Biden's idea that tax dollars can fund it aren't right either. I'm tired of being penalized by the government for poor execution and cost management.

To be fair, this is a matter of opinion; not fact. I think that our tax dollars should fund a baseline level of care for everyone and, as a higher earner (poor relative to this board, though), I should pay a little more to facilitate that. This is how, you know, the entire free world except us handles healthcare, Having a public option could lower per person costs vs just having the subsidies for the private plans.

For the record, I'm totally fine with people paying out of pocket for "premium" plans. I think rich people should be able to take advantage of the fact they're rich (in certain domains and to a point). I think I'd ultimately prefer a multi-payer system similar to what France has over a single payer system (Canada) or a single provider (the UK).

 

[appalachiatiger]

apparently

joe biden is taking the day off

but trump is out and about on his first stop to his re election campaign

 

[appalachiatiger]

when trump wins the white house, the house, and the senate

you know the house dems will elect a new leader

wonder who the top 3 candidates are to replace pelosi

 

[jakefest]

To be fair, this is a matter of opinion; not fact. I think that our tax dollars should fund a baseline level of care for everyone and, as a higher earner (poor relative to this board, though), I should pay a little more to facilitate that. This is how, you know, the entire free world except us handles healthcare, Having a public option could lower per person costs vs just having the subsidies for the private plans.

For the record, I'm totally fine with people paying out of pocket for "premium" plans. I think rich people should be able to take advantage of the fact they're rich (in certain domains and to a point). I think I'd ultimately prefer a multi-payer system similar to what France has over a single payer system (Canada) or a single provider (the UK).

I have UK employees that receive free health care, almost all of them take supplemental private health insurance (which I help subsidize as a benefit) because the free care is crap. These aren't what I would deem "rich" people. So that wasn't an opinion, it was factual.

This is where I start to lean more right. I pay an actual crap ton in taxes already, so the mindset that I should just pay more because I can isn't something I support. The answer to everything can't be tax dollars nor can it be to take it from the more fortunate.

I'm not disagreeing with your public option stance, I think it would be valuable to have something that worked for those that can't afford it but the question will always be how you fund it. Maybe the answer is instead of raising corp tax 10%, raise it 2% and fund it that way? Or tax gross profits of health insurance companies, big pharma, etc.

 

[appalachiatiger]

all hunter has to do is pull out the ledger of the how the $5 million was spent

simple way to prove innocense now

but i bet it was spent on travel and dinners and meetings then company declared bankruptcy

we need the books on sinohawk llc out of texas and sinohawk holdings llc out of delaware

post the books

lets see where the money is going

 

[appalachiatiger]

chopper down

trump to speak soon

 

[clemsontiger02]

but i bet it was spent on hookers and blow.

FIFY.

And we can all agree on that, amirite?

 

[appalachiatiger]

people are wayyyy to close to marine one

 

[appalachiatiger]

FIFY.

And we can all agree on that, amirite?

hookers coke and crack have no political affiliations or racial discriminations

anyone with the money is going to try a hooker or coke

 

[appalachiatiger]

god bless the usa

and may the devil consume all democrats to join him in the great abyss

 

[appalachiatiger]

wheres joe??????????

 

[iceheart08]

when trump wins the white house, the house, and the senate

you know the house dems will elect a new leader

wonder who the top 3 candidates are to replace pelosi

presidency and senate are fights, its laughable to believe that Republicans are going to retake the house. beyond laughable actually. its not close.

 

[jakefest]

the notion that the biden family is more corrupt than the trump family is


presidency and senate are fights, its laughable to believe that Republicans are going to retake the house. beyond laughable actually. its not close.

Yeah, have to agree.....can't see that being reality.

 

[tallulahtiger30319]

Ole Joe just did something he never should’ve done, says he’d basically kill oil. Bad, bad move.

Good luck in Texas and good luck in some crucial swing states.

I heard that too. Sooooooo, let me see if I understand. He emphatically states that he will move the US away from oil. Let's say he wins and does that. Does everyone with a gasoline powered car have to get a new car? How are the boobs that support him going to manage that? I suppose everyone will just depend on the government to buy them a new car?

 

[tallulahtiger30319]

republicans have had years, including the last 4 with the senate and presidency to come up with a healthcare plan, and they've got nothing. its utterly shocking. they have no plan. they have no plan.

healthcare is by far the #1 issue on voter's minds, both in the context of COVID, and then more generally. And republicans can say nothing other than "better, cheaper, pre-existing conditions" over and over again. Why dont they have a real plan?

Hmmmmm. Is it now?: Hasn't even crossed my mind. I do not subscribe to the theory that healthcare is a right. I see it as a service that I can buy if I want it. There are actually people like me in the country. You know, people who are happy to pay for what they need. Until the Dems (Hillary I think it was) convinced the country that it's a right, no one gave two hoots about it.

 

[tallulahtiger30319]

sorry man, but you are objectively wrong. im not providing my opinion, im talking about national and statewide polling, both public and non-public.

hahaha. Polling. Odd that no one ever contacts me or anyone I know.

 

[appalachiatiger]

I heard that too. Sooooooo, let me see if I understand. He emphatically states that he will move the US away from oil. Let's say he wins and does that. Does everyone with a gasoline powered car have to get a new car? How are the boobs that support him going to manage that? I suppose everyone will just depend on the government to buy them a new car?

the lines to charge your batteries are going to be massive

its not like filling up with gas in 4 min

imagine every car having to plug in

how much more pull on e grid

california is having rolling black outs now due to their attempt to move from fossil fuels

people are pissed

 

[appalachiatiger]

presidency and senate are fights, its laughable to believe that Republicans are going to retake the house. beyond laughable actually. its not close.

havent even looked at the house yet

after the trump landslide

next january and february will be a split in the democratic party

many moderate democrats will become independents or switch to republicans

plus there are many republicans that are swamp creatures still left in washington too

 

[ForzaTigre]

@iceheart08

What’s your opinion as it stands today on the White House, Senate and House? I know you do this for a living. Do you believe the polls being put out by the media? I think it will be close. I lean to the senate staying red.

 

[dpic73]

Hey, App: if you need medical care would you rather have a Harvard Medical School grad or Univ of Arkansas? I have never understood why people look down on folks who have attended an outstanding university. Jealously, I imagine, for many. Who would prefer to say, "I want to go to a mediocre university, not an Ivy League one"?

For the same reason they think Donald Trump is a good President. He don't use no fancy words.

 

[dpic73]

It’s so funny that you know it’s over for Biden.

It's so funny to see your pet fringe conspiracy not getting any play in MSM. Bye-Don

 

[kgwillison]

presidency and senate are fights, its laughable to believe that Republicans are going to retake the house. beyond laughable actually. its not close.

Shhhh ... don’t tell him. Let him continue making silly statements.

 

[kgwillison]

@iceheart08

What’s your opinion as it stands today on the White House, Senate and House? I know you do this for a living. Do you believe the polls being put out by the media? I think it will be close. I lean to the senate staying red.

It will all come down to NC. If Tillis wins the Senate may be 50-50. I don’t live there, though, so it is difficult to know how it will come out. Will be close.
I think pollsters have increased the number of non-college whites to be surveyed. But are they telling to truth when more of them say they will support Biden (vs. 4 years ago)? If they are, Biden will win PA and MI. That will probably be sufficient. If they are lying and will vote for Trump, who knows?

 

[kgwillison]

hahaha. Polling. Odd that no one ever contacts me or anyone I know.

Not really. Very few people need to be interviewed to get a statistically valid number of people. And if you live in a state that is not a toss up there is even less reason you would be surveyed. Believe me, these pollsters charge an arm and a leg. They aren’t making numbers up because if they are far off, their reputations are going to be harmed and not hired in the future.

 

[dpic73]

It will all come down to NC. If Tillis wins the Senate may be 50-50. I don’t live there, though, so it is difficult to know how it will come out. Will be close.
I think pollsters have increased the number of non-college whites to be surveyed. But are they telling to truth when more of them say they will support Biden (vs. 4 years ago)? If they are, Biden will win PA and MI. That will probably be sufficient. If they are lying and will vote for Trump, who knows?

He could win without North Carolina, Florida, Ohio and Arizona if he just holds the states Clinton won in 2016 and adds Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. And that looks very likely.

 

[ForzaTigre]

He could win without North Carolina, Florida, Ohio and Arizona if he just holds the states Clinton won in 2016 and adds Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. And that looks very likely.

I may be dead wrong and don’t have a great feel on who wins, but I think trump wins Pennsylvania. I think he loses Michigan and likely loses Wisconsin. I also think NC is a toss up and Florida is a no brainer for Trump.

 

[dpic73]

I may be dead wrong and don’t have a great feel on who wins, but I think trump wins Pennsylvania. I think he loses Michigan and likely loses Wisconsin. I also think NC is a toss up and Florida is a no brainer for Trump.

I don't put anything past him but as of right now, it doesn't look good for him in Florida or Pennsylvania. But I wouldn't be shocked if he eked out wins in both either.

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[appalachiatiger]

Shhhh ... don’t tell him. Let him continue making silly statements.

kg

i dont care about political party

i wanna see 535 people we are paying half a million each take president trump seriously the next 4 years and see what we can accomplish

i dont care if they are a Republican or Democrat or Independent

just behave like an adult and understand the president is a national office

each member is a district or a state

just govern with leadership

 

[iceheart08]

kg

i dont care about political party

i wanna see 535 people we are paying half a million each take president trump seriously the next 4 years and see what we can accomplish

i dont care if they are a Republican or Democrat or Independent

just behave like an adult and understand the president is a national office

each member is a district or a state

just govern with leadership

Literally nobody who works at our federal legislature makes half a million dollars a year.

 

[kgwillison]

He could win without North Carolina, Florida, Ohio and Arizona if he just holds the states Clinton won in 2016 and adds Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. And that looks very likely.

I should have been more clear that I was referring to control of the Senate when I spoke of NC, not the Electoral College

 

[ForzaTigre]

I don't put anything past him but as of right now, it doesn't look good for him in Florida or Pennsylvania. But I wouldn't be shocked if he eked out wins in both either.

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Man I honestly just don’t believe polls. Biden is not going to blow trump out and when I look at polls that’s what it tells me the electoral college will look like.

 

[iceheart08]

@iceheart08

What’s your opinion as it stands today on the White House, Senate and House? I know you do this for a living. Do you believe the polls being put out by the media? I think it will be close. I lean to the senate staying red.

I've been hyper focused on a few races in Colorado so I haven't been tracking the senate races as closely as I'd like.

But Dems are ramping up spending in kansas, iowa, and alaska, because the numbers are telling us that we have a shot. That's not good news for Republicans. Senate is going to be very very close.

If the numbers I'm seeing among suburban white women in Colorado hold up, trump is in for a rough night. In Colorado, he's losing white educated men at an alarming rate, and white educated women at an even higher rate. Biden might win Colorado by 12+.

He can't win nationally without winning white suburban voters. That's why he's so aggressively trying to scare folks in those communities re: affordable housing etc. Almost daily tweets on the topic.

If the man would do nothing but talk about the economy he built before covid, he'd win. But he can't stop himself, and its probably too late.

Best guess on the house is that Dems add a seat or two, and that's that. Fundraising for republican challengers has been anemic. Again, looking at Colorado, the guy Republicans have running in the lone swing district in the state is a disaster. Running an awful campaign, raised about 1/5th the total of his competition and is actively making Rs in Colorado look stupid.

Trump is dragging these challengers in suburban districts down.

 

[dpic73]

I should have been more clear that I was referring to control of the Senate when I spoke of NC, not the Electoral College

Gotcha, I believe that was my misunderstanding but you're absolutely correct. North Carolina could be the bellwether for control of the Senate. Before the sexting scandal, it looked like we had it in hand. Right now, it's definitely a toss-up.

 

[dpic73]

Man I honestly just don’t believe polls. Biden is not going to blow trump out and when I look at polls that’s what it tells me the electoral college will look like.

I don't blame you. We learned a hard lesson in 2016 but if the polls are close to being accurate, Biden has about 20 different paths to victory and Trump only has a few. If he wins, it would be a huge upset and we'll never trust the polls again, haha.