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Is Mike Pence a demon?

Who knows. But he ripped Kamala last night. When all the post debate shows minus Fox focus on mansplaining and interrupting (compared to last week), they know what went down.

And to the gender roles discussion, I thought the left didn’t believe in gender? Hmm.
 
That fly landed right on him like he was dead. I remember when that happened to Obama, and the illuminati on this site said Obama was a demon.

LOL....just saying.

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Going forward, presidential debates should require a presentation of plans first and then debate those plans after. These debates contain no credible facts that show what they will do, how they will do it and when they will deliver.

Task.....cost.....owner.....date. Real simple

The left's entire strategy is simply to hear the question and then respond with "Trump sucks". At what point will they produce a review of how they would have handled Covid differently versus telling the world that Trump screwed the nation? Hopefully the US voting population recognizes that it's a global recession, not just a US one.
 
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Going forward, presidential debates should require a presentation of plans first and then debate those plans after. These debates contain no credible facts that show what they will do, how they will do it and when they will deliver.

Task.....cost.....owner.....date. Real simple

The left's entire strategy is simply to hear the question and then respond with "Trump sucks". At what point will they produce a review of how they would have handled Covid differently versus telling the world that Trump screwed the nation? Hopefully the US voting population recognizes that it's a global recession, not just a US one.

How old are you? Have you ever seen debates before? The sitting president always gets hammered on their record, their job is to defend it.

And Biden has already laid out how he would have handled the pandemic. He would have not fired the pandemic team and would have let them (scientists) lead the response. If this pandemic had not happened during an election year, we would have had stronger leadership from trump / pence and would have a lot fewer deaths.
 
President Donald J. Trump is heading into the general election with the worst jobs numbers of any president, based on records that go back to World War II. The US economy is down 4.7 million jobs since January 2017 when Trump took office, according to the Labor Department.

Are you serious? Did you ever stop to think for a moment that maybe, just maybe, the recent plummet in jobs numbers might have to do with this little pandemic in our midst? How the hell would an act of God (or more specifically, of China) correlate to Pres. Trump doing a bad job with economy/employment? LOL, and by the way, it's the Democrats who are most in favor of more stringent lockdowns/distancing measures, which is what hurts these job numbers. 🙄
 
Are you serious? Did you ever stop to think for a moment that maybe, just maybe, the recent plummet in jobs numbers might have to do with this little pandemic in our midst? How the hell would an act of God (or more specifically, of China) correlate to Pres. Trump doing a bad job with economy/employment? LOL, and by the way, it's the Democrats who are most in favor of more stringent lockdowns/distancing measures, which is what hurts these job numbers. 🙄

If trump was a leader - instead of just worrying about his reelection - he would have implemented mask requirements, high speed testing and contact tracing early on. But he didnt. So we had a shutdown and with 4% of the world's population, we have 21% of the world's covid deaths. Other countries were able to avoid the negative economic impact that we have suffered by doing these things. Its too bad trump fired the pandemic team and then bragged about doing it.

Here is the video if you dont believe me. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...eo-trump-pandemic-team-cut-2018-a9405191.html
 
How old are you? Have you ever seen debates before? The sitting president always gets hammered on their record, their job is to defend it.

And Biden has already laid out how he would have handled the pandemic. He would have not fired the pandemic team and would have let them (scientists) lead the response. If this pandemic had not happened during an election year, we would have had stronger leadership from trump / pence and would have a lot fewer deaths.

Why does my age matter?

So what you're saying is, rather than hold the people running against the incumbents to state their plans and what they stand for, we should just watch them attack the incumbent? I'd much rather understand what either party plans to do for 4 years and how they plant to spend my tax dollars.

Also, "listening to scientists" isn't a plan. As the president, you have to ascertain what the balance of scientific caution vs economic collapse is and execute a strategy that straddles the two. How do you inject stimulus without incurring debt/inflation/increasing taxes? How do we deal with the increased addiction and depression rates from locking down? Food shortages? Long term unemployment? Corporate debt crisis from lack of income vs costs? You haven't even seen the true fallout from the lockdown that we did execute across the country and it wasn't nearly as stringent as what the scientists proposed. Wait until all of the public companies start reporting late year earnings misses, government subsidized things like amtrak, nj transit etc are insolvent and need to be bailed out, corporate real estate becomes a crisis.......how will Joe deal those issues? More fake money? That's the plan I want to see so I can figure out if I trust who sits in office now or the potential replacement. I give zero f*cks about party, I vote candidate.

You seem like a pretty plugged in guy so I can't fathom you wouldn't want to know that information before swapping out leadership. (no sarcasm here, being genuine).
 
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Why does my age matter?

So what you're saying is, rather than hold the people running against the incumbents to state their plans and what they stand for, we should just watch them attack the incumbent? I'd much rather understand what either party plans to do for 4 years and how they plant to spend my tax dollars.

Also, "listening to scientists" isn't a plan. As the president, you have to ascertain what the balance of scientific caution vs economic collapse is and execute a strategy that straddles the two. How do you inject stimulus without incurring debt/inflation/increasing taxes? How do we deal with the increased addiction and depression rates from locking down? Food shortages? Long term unemployment? Corporate debt crisis from lack of income vs costs? You haven't even seen the true fallout from the lockdown that we did execute across the country and it wasn't nearly as stringent as what the scientists proposed. Wait until all of the public companies start reporting late year earnings misses, government subsidized things like amtrak, nj transit etc are insolvent and need to be bailed out, corporate real estate becomes a crisis.......how will Joe deal those issues? More fake money? That's the plan I want to see so I can figure out if I trust who sits in office now or the potential replacement. I give zero f*cks about party, I vote candidate.

You seem like a pretty plugged in guy so I can't fathom you wouldn't want to know that information before swapping out leadership. (no sarcasm here, being genuine).

Again, if you have ever watched debates you know this is what they are. Political theater. Four years ago, Trump offered no plans other than he was going to make america great again. Then he was going to keep america great, then that didnt work so now he is back to wanting to make it great again.

If you are looking for substance I would recommend visiting the candidates websites.

Here is Biden's: https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

Here is trump's. Oh wait, that's odd. his website says nothing about his plans for the next four years. It does have a popup encouraging people to mail in their vote though, which is odd since he is saying that the mail in the system is rigged. Hmmmmm. It's almost like he is.... lying again?
 
Again, if you have ever watched debates you know this is what they are. Political theater. Four years ago, Trump offered no plans other than he was going to make america great again. Then he was going to keep america great, then that didnt work so now he is back to wanting to make it great again.

If you are looking for substance I would recommend visiting the candidates websites.

Here is Biden's: https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

Here is trump's. Oh wait, that's odd. his website says nothing about his plans for the next four years. It does have a popup encouraging people to mail in their vote though, which is odd since he is saying that the mail in the system is rigged. Hmmmmm. It's almost like he is.... lying again?

So you're comfortable with a flawed debate system but not with candidates being dishonest? Makes total sense.......

Biden and Kamala are the pillars of honesty right? The Clintons? Obama? The fake russia collusion scandal seems real honest :)
 
I would point out that Donald Trump literally doesn't have a plan for anything. His Health Care plan has been to eliminate the ACA and then.....nothing. he has never released any sort of plan. He speaks in broad catchphrases such as MAGA and "Build a Wall" and his fans eat that up. The problem is none of it is real. There is no plan. He's a showman who has trolled the right into thinking he gives a damn about you or anyone else. A guy who was pro-choice and very obviously not a Christian has used the religious establishment to get elected. The right can't bring themselves to admit how wrong they were.
 
So you're comfortable with a flawed debate system but not with candidates being dishonest? Makes total sense.......

Biden and Kamala are the pillars of honesty right? The Clintons? Obama? The fake russia collusion scandal seems real honest :)

My bad. I thought you were serious when you said you wanted to know the candidates plans for the next 4 years. I should have known that was not really the case.
 
I thought it was a very good debate and both candidates did very well. I turned to my wife about half way through and said "Why cant these two be running instead?"

I'm truly a undecided voter ... I normally dont look to the President as my moral compass, but I just find Trump utterly ridiculous. There isnt a doubt in my mind that Biden is a better person, but ... I entirely, totally, emphatically, reject the agenda of the far left. I can get on board with some of the policies presented by the moderate left, but ....leftists? No thanks. I worry that Biden would be President in name only and the far left would have a field day.

BUT ...... Im from Maryland soooooooo my individual vote wont matter.
 
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My bad. I thought you were serious when you said you wanted to know the candidates plans for the next 4 years. I should have known that was not really the case.

No, I'll take a look. We don't know each other but you'd find me a rather reasonable person if we had this convo over a beer. Like I said many posts ago, I like data......so happy to take a look.

I'm also pretty rooted firmly in the middle. I don't believe in the far left and I don't believe in the far right.

We may not agree on who the best candidate is but that doesn't make me a horrible person nor does it make you one, just means we don't agree which is why we have a democracy.
 
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I thought it was a very good debate and both candidates did very well. I turned to my wife about half way through and said "Why cant these two be running instead?"

I'm truly a undecided voter ... I normally dont look to the President as my moral compass, but I just find Trump utterly ridiculous. There isnt a doubt in my mind that Biden is a better person, but ... I entirely, totally, emphatically, reject the agenda of the far left. I can get on board with some of the policies presented by the moderate left, but ....leftists? No thanks. I worry that Biden would be President in name only and the far left would have a field day.

BUT ...... Im from Maryland soooooooo my individual vote wont matter.

Personally, I would have voted for Bloomberg all day long. I want a CEO minded president that can manage a multi trillion dollar P&L. Bloomberg was the only candidate/potential candidate that could do that.

I'm with you, I worry about the extreme far left and also worry about the extreme far right for what it's worth. I don't believe Trump supports the extreme far right, despite what the left thinks. Biden won't make it four years in office, which leaves us with Kamala who puts you even closer to the far left.
 
Personally, I would have voted for Bloomberg all day long. I want a CEO minded president that can manage a multi trillion dollar P&L. Bloomberg was the only candidate/potential candidate that could do that.

I'm with you, I worry about the extreme far left and also worry about the extreme far right for what it's worth. I don't believe Trump supports the extreme far right, despite what the left thinks. Biden won't make it four years in office, which leaves us with Kamala who puts you even closer to the far left.
I agree. Bloomberg wouldve been a good alternative. Unfortunately he was slain by Sen. Warren and gutted live on stage for the world to see.

If this was a decision between Trump and 2008, 2012, or 2016 Joe .... I wouldnt think about it twice.

What will probably happen is that my wife and I will coordinate our votes to cancel each other out ...

There are some significant local items that will be on the ballot, if not for those ... I would probably sit this one out ....

Its a over used meme ..... BUT totally applies here

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If trump was a leader - instead of just worrying about his reelection - he would have implemented mask requirements, high speed testing and contact tracing early on. But he didnt. So we had a shutdown and with 4% of the world's population, we have 21% of the world's covid deaths. Other countries were able to avoid the negative economic impact that we have suffered by doing these things. Its too bad trump fired the pandemic team and then bragged about doing it.

Here is the video if you dont believe me. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...eo-trump-pandemic-team-cut-2018-a9405191.html
Honestly, this is the truth and its cost us all a lot of money, misery and heartache. If he had mandated masks, led by example, not disputed the science or cheer lead that it would just vanish, then his supporters would have taken it more seriously. I know some of his more hard headed supporters personally and they refuse to wear a mask on principle. They never really care about science and stuff, always on facebook passing around bs they thought up themselves. If they had their adored leader telling them to take it seriously, that would help.
 
I thought it was a very good debate and both candidates did very well. I turned to my wife about half way through and said "Why cant these two be running instead?"

I'm truly a undecided voter ... I normally dont look to the President as my moral compass, but I just find Trump utterly ridiculous. There isnt a doubt in my mind that Biden is a better person, but ... I entirely, totally, emphatically, reject the agenda of the far left. I can get on board with some of the policies presented by the moderate left, but ....leftists? No thanks. I worry that Biden would be President in name only and the far left would have a field day.

BUT ...... Im from Maryland soooooooo my individual vote wont matter.

Don't forget that democrat primary voters flatly rejected the far left platform, Biden won big. I don't think Kamala is a far left as she is being portrayed by right wing media. Hell, during the primary her own fellow dems attacked her over being too conservative.

You can read the Bernie Biden Unity task force recommendations, they really are not that far to the left. There is some aggressive rhetoric on climate change, but that is something I believe we need to address.
 
Again, if you have ever watched debates you know this is what they are. Political theater. Four years ago, Trump offered no plans other than he was going to make america great again. Then he was going to keep america great, then that didnt work so now he is back to wanting to make it great again.

If you are looking for substance I would recommend visiting the candidates websites.

Here is Biden's: https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

Here is trump's. Oh wait, that's odd. his website says nothing about his plans for the next four years. It does have a popup encouraging people to mail in their vote though, which is odd since he is saying that the mail in the system is rigged. Hmmmmm. It's almost like he is.... lying again?
The Republicans literally posted their platform written in 2016 as their 2020 platform. It even criticizes “the current president.” Of course it meant Obama but he’s no longer the current president. Make 2020 2016 again!
 
How old are you? Have you ever seen debates before? The sitting president always gets hammered on their record, their job is to defend it.

And Biden has already laid out how he would have handled the pandemic. He would have not fired the pandemic team and would have let them (scientists) lead the response. If this pandemic had not happened during an election year, we would have had stronger leadership from trump / pence and would have a lot fewer deaths.

You should have your head examined for brain farts.

Biden's plan for controlling the corona virus is to give the left wing media that controls sheep like you new talking points. They will announce that most people are asymptomatic and have already built up immunity and that we should all get back to work.
 
You should have your head examined for brain farts.

Biden's plan for controlling the corona virus is to give the left wing media that controls sheep like you new talking points. They will announce that most people are asymptomatic and have already built up immunity and that we should all get back to work.

raw
 
That fly landed right on him like he was dead. I remember when that happened to Obama, and the illuminati on this site said Obama was a demon.


Show me a video of the fly landing. You might want to look up the vote the fly website that the Dems registered before the debate. You are going to be really disappointed on 11/3. Also, think and do some research before you start calling names that is if you can get out of your New York state of mind.
 
Don't forget that democrat primary voters flatly rejected the far left platform, Biden won big. I don't think Kamala is a far left as she is being portrayed by right wing media. Hell, during the primary her own fellow dems attacked her over being too conservative.

You can read the Bernie Biden Unity task force recommendations, they really are not that far to the left. There is some aggressive rhetoric on climate change, but that is something I believe we need to address.

THIS. Biden has always been a moderate. But standard Trump tatic (and Republican tatic really). You must make your base fear SOMETHING. And Trump's got his base shaking in their boots. How scared are Republicans on here of socialists , street protesters, and Mexican immigrants? They have to clean their panties after watching Carlson and Hannity every night. As Tucker says, those brown people are coming to get them.
 
THIS. Biden has always been a moderate. But standard Trump tatic (and Republican tatic really). You must make your base fear SOMETHING. And Trump's got his base shaking in their boots. How scared are Republicans on here of socialists , street protesters, and Mexican immigrants? They have to clean their panties after watching Carlson and Hannity every night. As Tucker says, those brown people are coming to get them.

yea i am surprised we have not heard more about a roving horde if terrorist immigrants approaching our southern border. I remember that was a big deal in the 2018 elections until the day after the election when we didn’t hear about it again.
 
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Are you serious? Did you ever stop to think for a moment that maybe, just maybe, the recent plummet in jobs numbers might have to do with this little pandemic in our midst? How the hell would an act of God (or more specifically, of China) correlate to Pres. Trump doing a bad job with economy/employment? LOL, and by the way, it's the Democrats who are most in favor of more stringent lockdowns/distancing measures, which is what hurts these job numbers. 🙄
No only that but the polls are BS, always slanted to the demonic left.
 
i was asked a fascinating question last night by our illegal immigrant campers shooting pool.

they asked me when the civil war breaks out which flags will be used?

i was like o wow good question

i think the trumpers will go with

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and i figure the democrats will go with this flag

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