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Speaking of insurrections, one might argue that an attempted assassination of a sitting SCOTUS justice in order to replace the deceased SCOTUS with a "party appointed" SCOTUS is basically an insurrection.
Funny how that's not getting pushed all over media, am I right?
I am not here to defend the mainstream media. It is MY sense of patriotism that is getting attacked when the former President of the United States encourages a coup. What we are discussing here is the fact that what happened is not only unethical, it was illegal. There is an objective reality, regardless of your political views.
so, playing what-aboutism games to demonize the side you don’t like is childish. Two wrongs don’t make one right. What happened is a grave danger to democracy. And for some to say this was a peaceful tourist visit when the video evidence proves otherwise shows the absolute insanity that people are willing to defend… Any real American should be appalled at that happened instead of trying to protect their side.
no no no......this isn't whataboutism, it's f*ck you'ism to anyone that treats any of these incidents differently. Jan 6th riot, federal building attacks/riots/attacks on police across all of 2020, politicians questioning the validity of an election (both sides), an attempted assassination on a SCOTUS justice, Russiagate (also a coup attempt)......all of these things are attacks on democracy and all of those things should be an attack on your sense of patriotism but who I am to judge.....
If the committee doesn't have any evidence of Trump coordinating a meeting of minds to build a plan to attack the Capitol and overthrow the government then I'm sorry but this is political theater and nothing more. You also have to remember there is no cross-examination of anyone on the committee, any witnesses, Capitol police, etc. None of this is actually legal by the definition and this isn't a trial. It's one side's findings with a bunch of strategically edited clips produced by a Hollywood producer.
You can't prosecute someone because you hate them or don't like them........I hope the man never steps foot back in the white house again but the only people you're going to find guilty in this whole thing are the ones who entered the Capitol or assaulted police officers. As @dpic73 said to defend Schumer, he was just "ginning up the base" and last I checked, that's not illegal.
Once again for the record, I don't like big govt as a whole. ......this isn't about sides, it's about equal application of the rule of law.
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We've got to step back from the ledge. You can't have a functioning government with both sides accusing (and perhaps sincerely believing) the other of actively trying to destroy the United States in one form or fashion.
Did you raise this much hell when a Trump supporter ACTUALLY killed a judge in California and attempted to kill a judge in NY, instead killing her son and badly injuring her husband?
The New Jersey Shooting Suspect Left a Pro-Trump Paper Trail
In a trove of documents published online, Roy Den Hollander directed misogynistic and racist insults at U.S. District Court Judge Esther Salas, and expressed support for the president.
Did you raise this much hell when the wife of a Supreme Court justice advocated turning over the election?
Ginni Thomas Urged 29 Arizona Lawmakers To Overturn Election Results—Dozens More Than Previously Known, Report Says
More than half of Arizona’s GOP legislators at the time received at least one email message from Thomas.
www.forbes.com
Or is your rage just reserved for a young depressed guy, acting on his own - who was caught by the way?
That's the bigger story?
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I saw it all over the media for several days. Did you miss the part that he was a young depressed guy who was caught? What is there to say about it after that? Your ridiculous whataboutism knows no bounds dude. In your mind, any bad deed is the same as the worst bad deed. Talking about a stretch - good god man, get a damn grip
WTF are you talking about? Don't invoke my name for something I never said. Pretty sure I've never said a word about Schumer and I can promise you I don't listen to him. Keep me out of your weird whataboutism conspiracies.
If Trump had been able to stop the election certification and transfer of power by all the means he attempted to use, and had been able to stay in office for the second term, do you think he would have exited the office after the second term? Or do think he would looked for more ways to continue to stay in office indefinitely? I think we all know the answer.
Tell me more about these hundreds of thousands of illegals getting in that you hear about on FoxNews and other outlets that attempt to misinform you and stoke your rage?
"Just because an individual or family was not expelled under Title 42 does not mean they were admitted into the United States. Many were sent to ICE detention, or immediately subject to a normal deportation order under Title 8 (see Figure 6).
Data produced by the Department of Homeland Security reveals that in 70.7% of cases, migrants encountered at the border during Biden’s first year in office were either expelled, deported, or sent to ICE detention centers. In total, from February 2021 through December 2021:
- 56.7% of Border Patrol encounters led to an immediate expulsion under Title 42;
- 21.7% of Border Patrol encounters led to a person being released at the border under humanitarian parole, with a notice to report to an ICE office, or with a notice to appear in immigration court;
- 10.7% of Border Patrol encounters led to a person being sent to an ICE detention center or to a state, local, or federal jail for criminal prosecution.
- 7.6% of Border Patrol encounters were of an unaccompanied child who was sent to a shelter run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement.
- 3.3% of Border Patrol encounters led to an immediate deportation.
As a result, despite significantly higher overall encounters at the border, it is likely that in 2021, fewer people were admitted into the United States and placed into normal deportation proceedings when compared to the period of high migration that occurred between 2018 and 2019. That is true even when considering the increased numbers of single adults and a record number of unaccompanied children crossing the border"
www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
Rising Border Encounters in 2021: An Overview and Analysis
This Council fact sheet provides an overview and analysis of border encounters and border apprehensions in 2021.
Tell me more about these hundreds of thousands of illegals getting in that you hear about on FoxNews and other outlets that attempt to misinform you and stoke your rage?
"Just because an individual or family was not expelled under Title 42 does not mean they were admitted into the United States. Many were sent to ICE detention, or immediately subject to a normal deportation order under Title 8 (see Figure 6).
Data produced by the Department of Homeland Security reveals that in 70.7% of cases, migrants encountered at the border during Biden’s first year in office were either expelled, deported, or sent to ICE detention centers. In total, from February 2021 through December 2021:
The eventual fate of those sent to ICE detention remains unclear. Some individuals will have been granted bond or otherwise released, while others have likely been deported. Others may still remain in detention while they seek asylum or otherwise fight their case against removal. Those sent to a penal facility are likely eventually sent to ICE detention after the conclusion of any criminal process.
- 56.7% of Border Patrol encounters led to an immediate expulsion under Title 42;
- 21.7% of Border Patrol encounters led to a person being released at the border under humanitarian parole, with a notice to report to an ICE office, or with a notice to appear in immigration court;
- 10.7% of Border Patrol encounters led to a person being sent to an ICE detention center or to a state, local, or federal jail for criminal prosecution.
- 7.6% of Border Patrol encounters were of an unaccompanied child who was sent to a shelter run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement.
- 3.3% of Border Patrol encounters led to an immediate deportation.
As a result, despite significantly higher overall encounters at the border, it is likely that in 2021, fewer people were admitted into the United States and placed into normal deportation proceedings when compared to the period of high migration that occurred between 2018 and 2019. That is true even when considering the increased numbers of single adults and a record number of unaccompanied children crossing the border"
Rising Border Encounters in 2021: An Overview and Analysis
This Council fact sheet provides an overview and analysis of border encounters and border apprehensions in 2021.
Illegal Border Crossings, Driven by Pandemic and Natural Disasters, Soar to Record High (Published 2021)
Migrants were encountered 1.7 million times in the last 12 months, the highest number of illegal crossings recorded since at least 1960.
You don’t think this is an insurrection? Just look at the picture in the article of one caravan.
Armed man arrested near home of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh
WTH is wrong with people?? https://www.reuters.com/world/us/armed-man-arrested-near-home-us-supreme-court-justice-kavanaugh-2022-06-08/
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Pretty sure that was you ......
People fleeing from starvation, joblessness, crime and natural disasters looking for a better life for their families is an insurrection in your mind? ExplainIllegal Border Crossings, Driven by Pandemic and Natural Disasters, Soar to Record High (Published 2021)
Migrants were encountered 1.7 million times in the last 12 months, the highest number of illegal crossings recorded since at least 1960.www.nytimes.com
You don’t think this is an insurrection? Just look at the picture in the article of one caravan.
Encounters do not mean they were all released into the country as my article above showed, so not sure where you're getting your number of hundreds of thousands from. Though I will give you kudos for trying to be more widely read if you're linking the NY Times. You'll stand a much better chance of getting the truth from that site than some of the others you've linked.
What's next - will you call a Democrat jaywalking the same as the insurrection? The media did not ignore this story Jake - that's YOUR narrative but it's not true.
This was your accusation "As @dpic73 said to defend Schumer," In the post you linked, I was talking about TrumpArmed man arrested near home of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh
WTH is wrong with people?? https://www.reuters.com/world/us/armed-man-arrested-near-home-us-supreme-court-justice-kavanaugh-2022-06-08/
Pretty sure that was you ......
Plenty of the media ignored the story......Bill Maher isn't exactly right wing so if he's calling it out, it isn't just me.
How would I identify them as Democrat, purple hair or multiple pronouns?
Bill Maher is looking to create controversy and get attention - you might remember his old show was called "Politically Incorrect".
I can promise you I saw the story repeatedly across all media that I pay attention to, but now that he's in jail and no one was harmed, what else is there to say? Care to comment on the Trumper that killed one judge and the son of another? I'm guessing that's less noteworthy in your mind for some reason....but I just can't put my finger on it. 🤔
You'll know the Dem because it'll be obvious that they're smarter, kinder and better than you.
I’m talking about illegal immigrants that cross and haven’t been processed, and the massive incursion off immigrants is an insurrection at least if you want to take the democrats definition of that as it’s used for J6.
I read news from several sites, NYT rarely though. After I found out what they did regarding the holocaust I have no interest in reading their work. That just happened to pop up
I have seen some dumb shit on this site but this has to take the cake. A Mexican dude that comes over to work illegally in the U.S. to provide for this family is the same type of insurrection as people attacking the Capitol to prevent the transfer of power to a duly elected new President???
I am against illegal immigration and would actually like to go to a merit based system. But what kind of drugs are you on to come up with batshit crazy equivalences like that? This is a textbook example of party over Country.
There sure is a ton of pvssies in this thread that whine about media coverage instead of focusing on the actual facts and what took place. I get it, it would take integrity and actually loving your country to acknowledge your side went too far. Obviously not a lot of people with the balls to do that so it’s easier to play the victim card and blame the left, the weather, or whatever excuse you wan to use use. I freaking hate snowflakes and I never thought the biggest snowflakes ever would be on the right. Between traitors on the right and the imbeciles in the left that want socialism at every turn, who are patriots supposed to vote for now?!!
It is a war. Information war in progress at this time. Let's hope it doesn't escalate.
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Illegal Border Crossings, Driven by Pandemic and Natural Disasters, Soar to Record High (Published 2021)
Migrants were encountered 1.7 million times in the last 12 months, the highest number of illegal crossings recorded since at least 1960.
You don’t think this is an insurrection? Just look at the picture in the article of one caravan.
this is next level stupidity. You should really start thinking for yourself.
this is some if your best work to date. Taking whataboutism to a truly delusional level.
Hillary Clinton to Biden: Don't concede if the election is close
"Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out," Clinton warned.
www.politico.com
This is what, the fifth time you've tried to make this point that has no relation to what Trump did? Are you hoping people will be misinformed by only reading the headline? If you read the actual article, it says:Hillary Clinton to Biden: Don't concede if the election is close
"Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out," Clinton warned.
"Clinton’s remarks were in response to Democrats’ monthslong suspicions that Trump would try to contest a loss. In April, Biden predicted Trump would try to delay the election, only to have the president openly flirt with the idea months later (Republicans and Democrats alike have shot down the idea).
Biden said in July that Trump would try to “indirectly steal” the election by attacking mail-in ballots amid the coronavirus pandemic, The Washington Post reported at the time."
She was 100% correct. Trump wanted them to stop counting because he knew there were many mail-in ballots left to count. She knew that's what he'd do and that's why she said what she did. I know you know this but you don't care if you think you can fool people - just like Trump would try to do. Extremely weak attempt at bothsidesism.
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I know far too many good, garden-variety conservatives who have essentially shrugged their shoulders about Trump. You hear the classic, "Well, I think he's a bad person and wish he'd get off Twitter, but I agree with him about bringing jobs back here and keeping the border safe."
I don't think people grasp the danger that he and his open disdain for the rule of law represent. This is somebody that at best watched with indifference as his supporters stormed the Capitol, threatened to hang the Vice President, and to this day refuses to accept the political legitimacy of his successor. He could very well be implicated in the insurrection, which is what it was, more directly.
Until the majority of conservatives stand up and treat these neo-fascists with the unrelenting contempt they deserve, the power creep will continue. The people get the government they deserve. So far we have seen exactly what happens when many people worship a so-called "patriot" who was a draft-dodging coward that then had the audacity to mock a man who was taken prisoner of war and tortured for this country.
And I feel exactly the same way about anyone on the left who consents to authoritarianism.
I'm not trying to fool anyone......just showing you the receipts to remind you that the left is just as responsible as the right for creating doubt in election integrity. You can't continue to point the finger at one side when the left is already starting to try to cast doubt for the midterms.
Another receipt for you
Biden questions if US midterm elections will be 'legit'
Mr Biden casts doubt on election integrity as party rebels doom his voting overhaul agenda.
www.bbc.com
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I think you’re being dishonest to yourself if you think they’re equally responsibly.I'm not trying to fool anyone......just showing you the receipts to remind you that the left is just as responsible as the right for creating doubt in election integrity. You can't continue to point the finger at one side when the left is already starting to try to cast doubt for the midterms.
Another receipt for you
Biden questions if US midterm elections will be 'legit'
Mr Biden casts doubt on election integrity as party rebels doom his voting overhaul agenda.
Democrats: Gerrymandering casts doubt on the legitimacy of elections as adequately representing constituents. (They are also guilty of gerrymanding, e.g. Maryland, Illinois.) The Electoral college isn’t democratic (they are correct, they’ve gotten more votes and lost), and this again is perhaps not a glowing mark for the American election system
Trumpers: Voting machines are rigged, Democrats stuffed ballots, we need to threaten election officials and the Vice President with violence if we don’t get our way.
Surely you can see the difference between these two things
Look man, no one agrees with how far Trump took it and 99% of the GOP base wanted him to concede and walk away..... 0.003% went into the Capitol but it's not like he was the first to cry foul. You're kidding yourself if you don't think that those very public swipes at the electoral process, voting security and overall system didn't help drive doubt into the population. Hillary drove a fake Russia collision scandal for years, his entire presidency was falsely accused of being illegitimate
LETTER: Democrats say hacking voting machines is easy
I would like to respond to the Nov. 10 letter by Jan Conner regarding election audits being a waste. Let’s start with just a sampling of Democrat comments after the
Both of those links highlight Dems suggesting it's easy to hack dominion voting machines in public hearings, public settings, media distribution etc. I could easily send you a dozen links of dems crying foul. Where are all of the fact checkers?
If there is evidence to show that Trump coordinated a violent mob to storm the Capitol, then let's get it presented in a court of law and prosecute him........I'm all for it. So far, I don't see any evidence and the J6 committee doesn't have the authority to charge him anyway so making this a public TV spectacle rather than just handing over the findings to the DOJ, show what the intention is.
