What exactly do you think I believe? Let me lay it out for you.
1. The government has created an unemployment problem. There’s incentive for folks to just stay home.
2. Businesses need to adapt.
Job vacancies everywhere
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1. The government has created an unemployment problem. There’s incentive for folks to just stay home.
2. Businesses need to adapt.
This is actually true and what they find is people generally take less time for pto than a traditional allotment but they tend to use flex time more for everyday life events. Might as well call that what I have. I get an allotment but I never use it all because my work is so flexible. I only use pto for real vacations and never for little stuff. If I need to leave work early to hunt or golf or something I just flex and make it up rather than using pto as long as I am able to get my work done and perform well. Same thing for errands and such any time of the day.
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Tried to order food and send it to a sick friend recently. No drivers available in Greenville area. Delivered it myself instead of Uber Eats, Door Dash, Grubhub etc..
Friends in Litchfield used Uber last night to go out to eat. They got stranded and couldn’t get a ride home. Sent my daughter to pick them up.
Friends in Litchfield used Uber last night to go out to eat. They got stranded and couldn’t get a ride home. Sent my daughter to pick them up.
Probably not always paying more. But some folks might do nothing for a little less than working for more. Maybe.
My MIL’s assistant living facility can’t keep workers due to the expansion of unemployment benefits. Which means they probably were not paying enough, but I don’t know what would happen to their occupancy if they charged more because they were paying more.
I wonder how these folks are getting any unemployment benefits if they quit? Because that is at least the story we get from the assisted living facility director.
Not sure if a troll or not. The government paying out free money to sit at home is not a competing employer. That is them handing out the working people's money to people who are not working. Many businesses are trying to pay more than $650/week but the opportunity cost of actually going vs. sitting home, some choose sit at home.
Whatever you want to call it, there’s an entity you’re going up against and you’ve gotta figure out a path forward.
I was laid off here in FL two weeks before Christmas. I've since found a new position with better pay, but I digress. I've never collected unemployment in my adult life. When I initially signed up, it required me to search for 3-5 jobs a week. But I was incurring problems and errors submitting a claim. So I give the unemployment office a call and they relay none of that is needed. No job search. No web search. Nothing. The woman on the phone said, 'Just put suspended due to covid-19 in any required fields and they'll process it.'
I drew $2300 dollars for one month without picking up a phone or writing an email to inquire about working.
I felt ashamed for doing it one month. I can't imagine doing it for months on end.
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Get ready for the $20 loaf of bread then. The answer to the "government unemployment problem" needs to be addressed by the government lessening the incentive to stay home.
I think you are underestimating the amount of each American's quality of life directly tied to small businesses and blue collar workers. I think your proposed solution (businesses need to pay more to match an arbitrary government income) will result in inflation and a general degradation of the American quality of life for the vast majority of Americans.
That's only a small part of the reason for "unlimited vacation", there's a big benefit to companies that is driving that trend. Like not having earned vacation on the books as a tax burden and like not having to pay earned vacation when an employee leaves. It also makes it easier to fire people because the job is purely pay for performance. So when they don't get their work done because they keep taking PTO - you're gone.
The solution is to get people off of these subsidies and back to work. Not to increase benefits above and beyond what the market dictates for work. That causes massive inflation and government market manipulation which are both very bad long term. Unemployment Benefits are not there for you to live comfortably by sitting on your rear end. They are a last resort, enough to keep food on the table, and and not meant to out pace the free market labor rates. People need to work. And economy doesn't work if people aren't working and paying taxes. There are tons of fair wage jobs out there to be had. Simply put, for SC, the benefits are too high right now. For other markets in big metro areas in other states it probably makes more sense to get what they are getting but not here.
That’s definitely the solution, but in the world we live in, it’s not going to happen this year. Agree on all points for unemployment.
Not to hijack this thread but my wife received a big promotion and we are moving to the Greenville area the end of this month. I am coming without a job so I am looking everyday. My background is sales and customer service, mainly in outside services but can adapt very easily. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
The government is supposed to work for the people...not the people working for the government. That is the issue
That’s correct.
It’s not doing that in this case. So, what do you do as a business being negatively affected? Adapt? Or fail?
You are smarter than that. Unemployment is not going to people who work behind a desk and have autonomy to work harder in order to get their work done faster. It is primarily going to people who have hourly paying jobs in mostly unskilled, or low skill, jobs that require that person to be there at all times to complete the job requirements. Let's just go ahead and offer the cashier at McD's the golden parachute deal the CEO has to "compete" right?
Also, the govt is not a competing employer. They take $$$ from actual employers and give it to potential employees not to work. The govt does not, and is not able to "pay" anyone. All they can do is take your/my $$$ and spend it. It would be like expecting Ford to be able to compete if the govt made them pay for GM employees.
This is only a problem because wages have been kept at historically low levels for the better part of of 20 years & it’s only an issue in low wage states.
Oh we are continuing to work. I am in staffing, so that's what we do.
you do realize that the "low wage states" typically have a corresponding cost of living, dont you? Is that you, Nancy? If so, I really have a lot that I would like to discuss.
Unlimited Vacation Time is an incentive is attractive but ultimately is not a great benefit to the employee. We have to make employees take their pto and almost all save it for the end of the year. If it was unlimited they wouldn’t take it.
How much of the job market do you think this actually can be applied?
I have a flexible schedule and do the same things as you, but damn, people need to get some perspective other than their own. If this is applied to every job, you would only be able to go to the grocery store a few hours a day.
It's changing very fast in S.C., won't be a low wage/cost of living state much longer with the way the Economy is growing and Housing costs exploding.
This and the absolute moron that is running the show now.
I think I’m fairly center .... maybe a little right if center .... i don’t mind Democrats not do have an issue with Liberals. I have several Liberal friends ... I just can’t STAND identity politics and leftists.
With that said ... the comparison of the rate of escalation of CEO salaries compared to employee salaries before 1980 (Reagan) and after is absolutely appalling.
Typically the people you are talking to live in their bubbles. They’ve had no interaction or experience with blue collar and small business type jobs. They think they’ve got all the answers on a piece of paper or a blackboard.
I work with people who want to work and have demonstrated that desire. Everything from janitors to register nurses and anything in between and from all corners of the state. If anyone here is looking for someone reliable hit me up. I work for the state and I put people who want to work to work. If that can be done in support of a fellow TI’er let me know. That’s even better. Shoot me a direct message
Sorry, but wages are market driven. If you haven't noticed, jobs paying above the proposed $15/hr minimum are going unfilled. When you add food stamps and the misnamed "earned income credit", the number of people below poverty level has been greatly reduced. We are seeing a "correction" right now where the Walmarts of the world have to pay a higher base wage - rather than have their employees leveled up by food stamps and other welfare.
Did you just say you can live like a king for 650 a week? Please tell me you just woke up from a 35 year long coma
Paying people not to work went about as one would predict.
Lol. You are completely clueless in this thread. Unlimited vacation works in a bigger organization in which other employees can fill in when you are out. It doesn't work in a small business that usually has many single points of daily failure.
You are trying to apply some misguided economic theory that you learned in your MBA program to real world scenarios that simply don't align.
My dominoes pizza order took 1 hour and the lady said they were hiring. I know several who won't work because they make just about as much on unemployment.
We have reached a new level of insanity with government spending and people act like nothing bad is going to happen. Our Democracy has been hijacked by an even bigger spender than Trump and Pence. They say they are going to fix everything. LOL. Americans have reached a new level of economic stupidity. The likes of which I haven't seen since I was in a socialist South American country years ago. Just to make matters unbearable, they used a flue like virus to ruin last years football season and I'm sure they will do it again and the sheep believed them because that's what they are.
We have reached a new level of insanity with government spending and people act like nothing bad is going to happen. Our Democracy has been hijacked by an even bigger spender than Trump and Pence. They say they are going to fix everything. LOL. Americans have reached a new level of economic stupidity. The likes of which I haven't seen since I was in a socialist South American country years ago. Just to make matters unbearable, they used a flue like virus to ruin last years football season and I'm sure they will do it again and the sheep believed them because that's what they are.
Only a socialist would try to justify all the free handouts from the government by classifying them as a competitor but what else would you expect from the poster who tried to make that point. He's the poster child for Biden's America.
A lot of folks that believe the left is comprised of full blown socialists, that want to control the masses by giving them just enough to live, aren’t making the connection that the government is competing with the private sector through unemployment benefits. Amazing. Capitalism was a stretch comparison, though.
Uber Eats in my area is constantly low on drivers. I get "no drivers nearby" all the time now. Guess I'll need to wait for the Joe Dough to burn up.
There's one major issue you are missing - Capitalism is about creating value, not money. The government creates no value. They are just artifically raising prices for labor.
If it were pure capitalism we could take our money elsewhere (ie not pay the taxes used for this) but we can't do that.
No. The US economy isn't a "pure capitalist" economy anyway but anything with mandated shutdowns or the government interfering isn't pure capitalism.
At some point that gravy train needs to end. I don't blame the people on it but I do blame the politicians who let this go on.
Same ones who want to handle New York the same as Texas, the same as Florida, the same as New Joisey, the same as California......
My company did that and it is kinda working. We are still short staffed but things are better at least.
These people are being paid by us, those that work hard everyday, TO STAY HOME...LOL.
***Of course, there are exceptions - and in no way would I make light of those who have fallen on hard times***
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