Job vacancies everywhere

[Intracoastal]

I have now seen probably a dozen news shows and articles where small business owners and even large corporations cannot get people to work. I think most of us have been saying it since the first unemployment checks with no strings attached were cut under Trump and continued with Biden. Why would people work when they are getting paid huge amounts to stay home? Here in Columbia SC, there is a huge need for people to work. From restaurants to moving companies, to large construction companies such as Hood. They can't find people to hire. Even Delta and other airlines have said recently that they can't find employees and have had to cancel flights because they didn't have the staff. Many local places are concerned that when the college kids go home for the summer that there will be no one to work as they students are more willing to work than the working class.

I can't tell you how many conversations I have had with others about how the unemployment payments are too high for lower income states. There is zero incentive to go back to work. Most of the small businesses here in SC have said that they didn't lay off a single person due to coronavirus yet their employees simply walked off the job and won't return. One dude interviewed on WIS that owns a moving company went for the jugular and flat out said that they are blatantly abusing the state and federal unemployment systems. The CEO of Hood construction said they are getting way behind on projects for the same reason.

SC lawmakers have said that they see this is a problem and are going to address it by eliminating the work search exemption soon. Meaning it will go back to what it normally is where you have to show proof of job searching and application statuses and limits on how long you can stay on it. So it is good news that the state government at least acknowledges this is a problem. The bad news is that when these benefits go away and people are expected to work again, weening them off the government tit is going to cause a lot of bellyaching and sob stories.

 

[harristeeter]

I have now seen probably a dozen news shows and articles where small business owners and even large corporations cannot get people to work. I think most of us have been saying it since the first unemployment checks with no strings attached were cut under Trump and continued with Biden. Why would people work when they are getting paid huge amounts to stay home? Here in Columbia SC, there is a huge need for people to work. From restaurants to moving companies, to large construction companies such as Hood. They can't find people to hire. Even Delta and other airlines have said recently that they can't find employees and have had to cancel flights because they didn't have the staff. Many local places are concerned that when the college kids go home for the summer that there will be no one to work as they students are more willing to work than the working class.

I can't tell you how many conversations I have had with others about how the unemployment payments are too high for lower income states. There is zero incentive to go back to work. Most of the small businesses here in SC have said that they didn't lay off a single person due to coronavirus yet their employees simply walked off the job and won't return. One dude interviewed on WIS that owns a moving company went for the jugular and flat out said that they are blatantly abusing the state and federal unemployment systems. The CEO of Hood construction said they are getting way behind on projects for the same reason.

SC lawmakers have said that they see this is a problem and are going to address it by eliminating the work search exemption soon. Meaning it will go back to what it normally is where you have to show proof of job searching and application statuses and limits on how long you can stay on it. So it is good news that the state government at least acknowledges this is a problem. The bad news is that when these benefits go away and people are expected to work again, weening them off the government tit is going to cause a lot of bellyaching and sob stories.

Agreed that it’s a huge problem. Can’t even tell you the crap we’ve gone through with individuals just calling for an interview and never showing up. They did the minimum to collect a check.

Wouldn’t hire any of them now if they crawled back in.

 

[jasper7765]

I have now seen probably a dozen news shows and articles where small business owners and even large corporations cannot get people to work. I think most of us have been saying it since the first unemployment checks with no strings attached were cut under Trump and continued with Biden. Why would people work when they are getting paid huge amounts to stay home? Here in Columbia SC, there is a huge need for people to work. From restaurants to moving companies, to large construction companies such as Hood. They can't find people to hire. Even Delta and other airlines have said recently that they can't find employees and have had to cancel flights because they didn't have the staff. Many local places are concerned that when the college kids go home for the summer that there will be no one to work as they students are more willing to work than the working class.

I can't tell you how many conversations I have had with others about how the unemployment payments are too high for lower income states. There is zero incentive to go back to work. Most of the small businesses here in SC have said that they didn't lay off a single person due to coronavirus yet their employees simply walked off the job and won't return. One dude interviewed on WIS that owns a moving company went for the jugular and flat out said that they are blatantly abusing the state and federal unemployment systems. The CEO of Hood construction said they are getting way behind on projects for the same reason.

SC lawmakers have said that they see this is a problem and are going to address it by eliminating the work search exemption soon. Meaning it will go back to what it normally is where you have to show proof of job searching and application statuses and limits on how long you can stay on it. So it is good news that the state government at least acknowledges this is a problem. The bad news is that when these benefits go away and people are expected to work again, weening them off the government tit is going to cause a lot of bellyaching and sob stories.

This has become a major problem. I can’t wait for those benefits to end. The issue with requiring proof of searching for work is that people have found a way to get around this. Nearly every company has an online website to apply. Once you apply the website sends a thank you email with confirmation. The person will get called for an interview and just not show up. They show the confirmation email as proof that they are looking. So many people are abusing the system. Really wish they would look at each case instead of doling out a blanket amount.

 

[GoodWord28]

If is paying some of their employees so little that $650/week from the government is enough for them to stay home, that’s on them. Find better talent and pay that talent a great salary.

If you are a fan of pure capitalism, here ya go. A competing employer (the govt in this case) is paying more money in wages than you are....what do you do?

Complain about how your business can’t survive by raising prices? Or change your business model and tap into other revenue streams?

 

[Tigerfaith]

I have now seen probably a dozen news shows and articles where small business owners and even large corporations cannot get people to work. I think most of us have been saying it since the first unemployment checks with no strings attached were cut under Trump and continued with Biden. Why would people work when they are getting paid huge amounts to stay home? Here in Columbia SC, there is a huge need for people to work. From restaurants to moving companies, to large construction companies such as Hood. They can't find people to hire. Even Delta and other airlines have said recently that they can't find employees and have had to cancel flights because they didn't have the staff. Many local places are concerned that when the college kids go home for the summer that there will be no one to work as they students are more willing to work than the working class.

I can't tell you how many conversations I have had with others about how the unemployment payments are too high for lower income states. There is zero incentive to go back to work. Most of the small businesses here in SC have said that they didn't lay off a single person due to coronavirus yet their employees simply walked off the job and won't return. One dude interviewed on WIS that owns a moving company went for the jugular and flat out said that they are blatantly abusing the state and federal unemployment systems. The CEO of Hood construction said they are getting way behind on projects for the same reason.

SC lawmakers have said that they see this is a problem and are going to address it by eliminating the work search exemption soon. Meaning it will go back to what it normally is where you have to show proof of job searching and application statuses and limits on how long you can stay on it. So it is good news that the state government at least acknowledges this is a problem. The bad news is that when these benefits go away and people are expected to work again, weening them off the government tit is going to cause a lot of bellyaching and sob stories.

Yep and now the Biden smackdown on tax increases are looming large. Hope some Dems in Congress like Manchkin (sp) stand up and oppose them. Meanwhile, the border infiltration rages out of control.

 

[Jwilliamsiii]

It is creating a crisis. In SC, fed (300)and state unemployment (338), for a combined 638 (15.95 p/h) to sit at home. What incentive does someone have to get up and go to work? Just another example of Sam trying to keep people addicted and dependent

 

[turfdr01]

Finding general labor help right now, is like hitting the lottery.

 

[wmnesbitt]

If only there was some group of people who could have voiced this impending issue months ago. If only there was some crystal ball or psychic talent that could have told us that paying people more unemployment than what they earn at a job and then extending those “benefits” past a certain point would allow people to continue to sit home and collect more money and not need to return to the workforce.

If only ......

 

[tigerGUY]

I have now seen probably a dozen news shows and articles where small business owners and even large corporations cannot get people to work. I think most of us have been saying it since the first unemployment checks with no strings attached were cut under Trump and continued with Biden. Why would people work when they are getting paid huge amounts to stay home? Here in Columbia SC, there is a huge need for people to work. From restaurants to moving companies, to large construction companies such as Hood. They can't find people to hire. Even Delta and other airlines have said recently that they can't find employees and have had to cancel flights because they didn't have the staff. Many local places are concerned that when the college kids go home for the summer that there will be no one to work as they students are more willing to work than the working class.

I can't tell you how many conversations I have had with others about how the unemployment payments are too high for lower income states. There is zero incentive to go back to work. Most of the small businesses here in SC have said that they didn't lay off a single person due to coronavirus yet their employees simply walked off the job and won't return. One dude interviewed on WIS that owns a moving company went for the jugular and flat out said that they are blatantly abusing the state and federal unemployment systems. The CEO of Hood construction said they are getting way behind on projects for the same reason.

SC lawmakers have said that they see this is a problem and are going to address it by eliminating the work search exemption soon. Meaning it will go back to what it normally is where you have to show proof of job searching and application statuses and limits on how long you can stay on it. So it is good news that the state government at least acknowledges this is a problem. The bad news is that when these benefits go away and people are expected to work again, weening them off the government tit is going to cause a lot of bellyaching and sob stories.

And my heart will pump crap for each of them that have managed unemployment that way.

 

[Clemson81]

1) Our taxes/spending are managed by the government...specifically Congress.
2) Congress’ brains have never worked regardless of party.

These two things do not go well together.

 

[Intracoastal]

It is creating a crisis. In SC, fed (300)and state unemployment (338), for a combined 638 (15.95 p/h) to sit at home. What incentive does someone have to get up and go to work? Just another example of Sam trying to keep people addicted and dependent

And that's per person, not household. 2 able bodied people under the same roof would be pulling 4800+ per month. ((300+300)*4 weeks*2 people). That's on top of SNAP benefits and the other stimulus money they received.

I spend a lot of time in Rural SC as well as the metro areas. That is more than enough money for anywhere in SC to get back on your feet. In the rural areas that is enough to live like a king.

 

[CU1TruTiger4Life]

I know of a couple of restaurants that are actually shut down at the moment because they can’t find people to work.

 

[Intracoastal]

I know of a couple of restaurants that are actually shut down at the moment because they can’t find people to work.

Same. I know a few in the area that if it weren't for family friends of theirs that make their kids work to learn the value of a earning money, they would have no one else to do it.

 

[UpstateTgrFan]

If is paying some of their employees so little that $650/week from the government is enough for them to stay home, that’s on them. Find better talent and pay that talent a great salary.

If you are a fan of pure capitalism, here ya go. A competing employer (the govt in this case) is paying more money in wages than you are....what do you do?

Complain about how your business can’t survive by raising prices? Or change your business model and tap into other revenue streams?

I'm no economist or economic theoretician. But is it "pure capitalism" to categorize the Federal government as a "competing employer" in this scenario? I mean, they're not competing in terms of economic productivity. They're simply paying someone more not to go be productive. It is not based on any value consideration.

Alright, that's the limits of my ability in economics.

 

[Tigerbomb]

If is paying some of their employees so little that $650/week from the government is enough for them to stay home, that’s on them. Find better talent and pay that talent a great salary.

If you are a fan of pure capitalism, here ya go. A competing employer (the govt in this case) is paying more money in wages than you are....what do you do?

Complain about how your business can’t survive by raising prices? Or change your business model and tap into other revenue streams?

What an ignorant response.

If I pay you $650 and it requires working every day and the government pays you $650 and you don't have to work there are a lot that will choose the latter.

 

[harristeeter]

If is paying some of their employees so little that $650/week from the government is enough for them to stay home, that’s on them. Find better talent and pay that talent a great salary.

If you are a fan of pure capitalism, here ya go. A competing employer (the govt in this case) is paying more money in wages than you are....what do you do?

Complain about how your business can’t survive by raising prices? Or change your business model and tap into other revenue streams?

“Competing employer”..?!? Wut?

These people are being paid TO STAY HOME. You can’t compete with that. Lol

 

[Intracoastal]

If is paying some of their employees so little that $650/week from the government is enough for them to stay home, that’s on them. Find better talent and pay that talent a great salary.

If you are a fan of pure capitalism, here ya go. A competing employer (the govt in this case) is paying more money in wages than you are....what do you do?

Complain about how your business can’t survive by raising prices? Or change your business model and tap into other revenue streams?

Government can never be a competing employer in capitalism. Even government wages are based on cost of living and private market analysis for that particular area. Not the other way around.

The government being a competitor in and of itself takes a giant dump all over capitalism.

The government providing more benefits than free market capitalism is very close to the exact definition of Socialism.

 

[chassc]

If is paying some of their employees so little that $650/week from the government is enough for them to stay home, that’s on them. Find better talent and pay that talent a great salary.

If you are a fan of pure capitalism, here ya go. A competing employer (the govt in this case) is paying more money in wages than you are....what do you do?

Complain about how your business can’t survive by raising prices? Or change your business model and tap into other revenue streams?

The competing employer in this case is using tax dollars to “compete”. $650, combined with an under the table side hustle is hard to compete with.

 

[CU_Tiger24]

If is paying some of their employees so little that $650/week from the government is enough for them to stay home, that’s on them. Find better talent and pay that talent a great salary.

If you are a fan of pure capitalism, here ya go. A competing employer (the govt in this case) is paying more money in wages than you are....what do you do?

Complain about how your business can’t survive by raising prices? Or change your business model and tap into other revenue streams?

Wrong this isn't capitalism as the government is NOT a "competing employer" as they don't have to worry about making money and aren't employing anyone, they're giving out free money for doing NOTHING. It's impossible to compete with that as it's not WORK, it's literally getting money for doing nothing, that's not an employer. So you can pay we very good wage for a job opening, but most people would rather do nothing for $650 a week than have to work 40+ hours for $$850-$900 a week. Ask yourself this, would you take a 15% paycut if it meant you didn't have to WORK, you just got that paid to you every pay cycle? UMMMM YES please !
They have taken the incentive to go back to work AWAY from people and it needs to go back.

 

[housess1]

Get ready for the next vote buying spending spree to come: Tax forgiveness for unemployment benefits as income. We all know someone that spends every dollar that comes in and maxes out their credit cards. When I hear testimonials from Dave Ramsey adherents, it always amazes me that so many people lack just simple common sense when it comes to money and credit. Spending is another addiction (in similar levels as alcoholics or higher). They are junkies wanting the next fix.

 

[TigerGrad14]

One of our contractors can't find general laborers... No past experience and only requirement is knowing how to use a shovel. Pay is 22/hr and can't find anyone...

 

[GoodWord28]

Wrong this isn't capitalism as the government is NOT a "competing employer" as they don't have to worry about making money and aren't employing anyone, they're giving out free money for doing NOTHING. It's impossible to compete with that as it's not WORK, it's literally getting money for doing nothing, that's not an employer. So you can pay we very good wage for a job opening, but most people would rather do nothing for $650 a week than have to work 40+ hours for $$850-$900 a week. Ask yourself this, would you take a 15% paycut if it meant you didn't have to WORK, you just got that paid to you every pay cycle? UMMMM YES please !
They have taken the incentive to go back to work AWAY from people and it needs to go back.

I wouldn’t take a 15% pay cut. I don’t know too many people that would tbh. The government is a competitor for employees. You have to agree there. You said it yourself; they are paying people to stay home. Right or wrong, they are competing for your talent. The federally assisted unemployment bonus should have gone away this year for folks in unaffected industries.

That’s the reality. Wrong? Absolutely. But, today, those are the obstacles you’ve gotta navigate if you want a successful business.

 

[clemsontiger02]

Even Delta and other airlines have said recently that they can't find employees and have had to cancel flights because they didn't have the staff.

FWIW, this is an oversimplification of the Delta issue. I'm close to that situation, and can tell you it's not just about getting "bodies" in roles. They lost an incredible amount of experience - by way of long-tenured employees leaving during the pandemic - and are now suffering from resulting operational issues. It is in no way connected to people who would rather stay home and collect unemployment.

 

[GoodWord28]

The competing employer in this case is using tax dollars to “complete”. $650, combined with an under the table side hustle is hard to compete with.

Difficult? Yes. But not impossible. Flex scheduling, child care incentives, health benefits, unlimited vacation time, profit sharing....there are things you can do. The true mom and pop business are gonna have a much tougher time, however.

 

[vatiger1]

It is creating a crisis. In SC, fed (300)and state unemployment (338), for a combined 638 (15.95 p/h) to sit at home. What incentive does someone have to get up and go to work? Just another example of Sam trying to keep people addicted and dependent

EXACTLY.

My wife is a Staffing agent and she has over 100 open positions she can't fill mainly in Anderson County. Some positions pay up to $21 per hour and can't get a single interview.

Big spending Gov't and Political leaders continue to kill and divide this Country.

 

[vatiger1]

Wrong this isn't capitalism as the government is NOT a "competing employer" as they don't have to worry about making money and aren't employing anyone, they're giving out free money for doing NOTHING. It's impossible to compete with that as it's not WORK, it's literally getting money for doing nothing, that's not an employer. So you can pay we very good wage for a job opening, but most people would rather do nothing for $650 a week than have to work 40+ hours for $$850-$900 a week. Ask yourself this, would you take a 15% paycut if it meant you didn't have to WORK, you just got that paid to you every pay cycle? UMMMM YES please !
They have taken the incentive to go back to work AWAY from people and it needs to go back.

Can't like this post enough and spot on.

 

[CU_Tiger24]

Difficult? Yes. But not impossible. Flex scheduling, child care incentives, health benefits, unlimited vacation time, profit sharing....there are things you can do. The true mom and pop business are gonna have a much tougher time, however.

It's pretty much impossible yes...... because the cost of those things to an ACTUAL employer who needs to run a business and make money prohibits it. The government who doesn't have to worry about that, they just take more money when they need it or borrow without fear of debt. Companies can NOT compete in that "market" and these libs know that. Their goal has and always will be to get the most amount of people reliant on the government as they can and this has provided the perfect opportunity they have waited decades for (that's why they did what they did last election, they KNEW this was a once in a life time time to seize power when the country was vulnerable).

 

[chassc]

Difficult? Yes. But not impossible. Flex scheduling, child care incentives, health benefits, unlimited vacation time, profit sharing....there are things you can do. The true mom and pop business are gonna have a much tougher time, however.

A much tougher time, due to the federal government. There goes your “pure capitalism” out the window.
The federal (or state/local) government incentivizing people to stay home instead of filling job openings is disturbing.

 

[Freedom Dr. Tiger]

We can't find anyone with experience for manufacturing jobs in Greenville. Been tracking this for the last year: 35% of scheduled interviews do not show up. Of the 65% who show up, we offer 90% which is not ideal. 45% of those who accept the offer don't show up for day 1 or don't come back after our safety training. Essentially have to interview 5 people to get 1 that will ever make it out to their job to start their training.

Entry level pay rate is $14/hr and you can work up to 60 hrs per week here if you want it. Can't compete with staying home for a little less money from unemployment + any other assistance they may get (EBT, Housing).

 

[Chrisd4cu]

Pretty interesting revelation here. Had no idea.

sounds like a lot of companies need to be paying more until Govt puts the quietus on handouts.

 

[CUTigerfan33]

@Superica28 getting dunked all over in this thread.

 

[deshaunwatson4]

Yep and now the Biden smackdown on tax increases are looming large. Hope some Dems in Congress like Manchkin (sp) stand up and oppose them. Meanwhile, the border infiltration rages out of control.

Looming large on what? Stock market is killing it. People ain’t that worried obviously

 

[shortbus22]

@Superica28 is just playing the greatest hits from the Politics thread on another board.

It is very scary that so many people from his demographic/age group believe this nonsense. But there is no reasoning with them.

It was dumb for Trump to give out free money like this, and it is equally dumb for Biden to continue it.

 

[harristeeter]

Difficult? Yes. But not impossible. Flex scheduling, child care incentives, health benefits, unlimited vacation time, profit sharing....there are things you can do. The true mom and pop business are gonna have a much tougher time, however.

"unlimited vacation time".......so basically you want the mom and pop companies to "compete" with the Federal gov and just pay employees to stay home, ok.....

 

[Intracoastal]

Pretty interesting revelation here. Had no idea.

sounds like a lot of companies need to be paying more until Govt puts the quietus on handouts.

That leads to government initiated hyperinflation. Also terrible.

 

[Freedom Dr. Tiger]

Pretty interesting revelation here. Had no idea.

sounds like a lot of companies need to be paying more until Govt puts the quietus on handouts.

For a lot of companies (luckily not where I work yet), paying more means going out of business which obviously means no jobs available. Raw material costs are also increasing at a fast rate.

Increasing RM cost + increasing pay rates = losing money for most businesses. Gov't is setting this up to be a self-fulfilling cycle of unemployment and gov't assistance.



With these unemployment checks so inflated, the gov't is forcing the $15/hr issue without having to pass a law.

 

[TheValley91]

This thread went about as one would predict.

 

[PawPride]

If is paying some of their employees so little that $650/week from the government is enough for them to stay home, that’s on them. Find better talent and pay that talent a great salary.

If you are a fan of pure capitalism, here ya go. A competing employer (the govt in this case) is paying more money in wages than you are....what do you do?

Complain about how your business can’t survive by raising prices? Or change your business model and tap into other revenue streams?

Someone’s needs to take you out back and beat you with a rubber hose

 

[vatiger1]

We can't find anyone with experience for manufacturing jobs in Greenville. Been tracking this for the last year: 35% of scheduled interviews do not show up. Of the 65% who show up, we offer 90% which is not ideal. 45% of those who accept the offer don't show up for day 1 or don't come back after our safety training. Essentially have to interview 5 people to get 1 that will ever make it out to their job to start their training.

Entry level pay rate is $14/hr and you can work up to 60 hrs per week here if you want it. Can't compete with staying home for a little less money from unemployment + any other assistance they may get (EBT, Housing).

Sounds like you have the same problem my Wife and her company is facing.

They've raised their minimum Hourly Rate to $15 for Entry Level and still not much better.

 

[GoodWord28]

"unlimited vacation time".......so basically you want the mom and pop companies to "compete" with the Federal gov and just pay employees to stay home, ok.....

No, unlimited vacation is a current trend. Get your work done and we don’t care about the hours you’re behind you desk.