doj has to indict on something at this point, whether they can win or not. they turn up with nothing, no matter how they dress it up, and trumps word will carry more weight in the court of public opinion than the doj and fbi.
Judicial Watch take on the DOJ release
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doj has to indict on something at this point, whether they can win or not. they turn up with nothing, no matter how they dress it up, and trumps word will carry more weight in the court of public opinion than the doj and fbi.
Could be. Seen arguments both ways and tbh this is the stuff i couldnt care less about. I hate legalese and the hypotheticals and politics driving interpretations. Ill probably dig in a little bit when/if theres an indictment and defense that narrow it, but generally speaking the nuance of legal arguments is less fun than reading a prospectus. Tbh im not sure why i opened that thing…guess i was bored
True and I understand. This is another situation where Trump just seems to not want to follow rules or think that they don't apply to him. Then when people try to hold him accountable he blames them,stirs a bunch of crap up, while most of what he says are just lies.
He does crap like this to fire up his base, but it's so bad for America as it just continues to erode trust in the government and further the gulf between the party lines and people. Trump and his rhetoric is so toxic for America. It's such a lowering of standards of decorum and that stuff absolutely matters. We should expect more from our "Leaders"
"Alina Habba just admitted that Donald Trump frequently had guests inside an unsecured location containing our nation's most top secret materials. Yet another admission of a crime."
1.Yet another low IQ person that cant comprehend words. Never said unsecured location, they added that.
2.Never said there was top secret materials there. In fact all you jarjar's keep saying his own lawyers dont say he declassified any docs. Yet in that video she says the material was declassified.
3. You jarjars also keep saying he had no rights to material from his presidency. You wont even read the laws that tells you he not only does but its his sole discretion, see44 U.S.C. § 2203(b), alone and nobody has authority over him in that matter...
4. Stay off twatter and your everyday life will get better...
The law-
Records management requirements The Presidential Records Act gives records management authority for incumbent Presidential records to the President, and states that personal records should be kept separate upon their creation or receipt from the Presidential record files [44 U.S.C. § 2203(b)]. The Office of the White House Counsel generally provides PRA policy guidance. Although NARA has limited records management authority over incumbent Presidential records, NARA routinely provides records management guidance based on its institutional knowledge and expertise to the incumbent Administration upon request. White House staff responsible for maintaining file systems must be trained to keep personal records separate from Presidential records at the point of creation. Once items have been mixed, it becomes difficult to determine record status. Since the President has the discretion to determine what is personal material, this determination should be made during the incumbent’s term of office rather than after the records are transferred to NARA.
The Court ruling-
In the Court's view, plaintiff reads too much into this statement. Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion, see44 U.S.C. § 2203(b), so the Deputy Archivist could not and did not make a classification decision that can be challenged here. When she posited that perhaps the plaintiff was asking NARA “to make a further determination that the materials in question ought to be considered ‘[P]residential records,’ ” she was, if anything, as counsel for the defendant suggested at the hearing, opining on the question of whether there were grounds for the Archivist to choose to invoke the enforcement mechanism embodied in the statute. Tr. at 8; 23–24. But, neither plaintiff nor defendant believes that is a decision that is at issue in this lawsuit, see id., at 8–9, 37, 42, and 50, and, as is discussed below, such a decision would not be reviewable in any event.
Trumps declassification order for the Crossfire Hurricane docs
if thats all they were after, and its somehow this simple to put to bed id piss myself. theres no way its a fkup to that degreeTrumps declassification order for the Crossfire Hurricane docs
Exactly. @TigerRagRob is either a troll, a second account for @TigerGrowls, or a complete and total idiot.
There is no damn way the DOJ didn't cross their "t's" with this stuff. They absolutely knew what was gonna happen when they executed a search warrant on a former president, especially one who is as fragile and explosive as Trump.
As the documents come out and the court filings become available to read, it's really clear Trump broke the law and was trying to hide it. Whether anything happens to him I have no clue, but it is sad how people continue to try to defend this guy.
What's even funnier is they defend him, and he wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. Donald Trump cares about Donald Trump and nobody else.
FBI did an inspection of the place where they were stored awhile back and added onc more locking device. The place is guarded by the Secret Service 24/7
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i mean it honestly could be the case. i got no issue throwing it out there...it would just make the doj look like a complete gongshow. it would be so bad its hilarious tho.
and theres not a person in dc that would piss on any peasant if they were on fire. none of them give a flying fk about anyone, at this point theyre entertainers. they put on their act for the cameras and laugh all the way to the bank together.
at least 20% of the covid payments basically disappeared....ppp had similar issues. no secret whos hands the money ended up in. and you better believe they all shared the grift
You can say all you want but Ive posted official laws and the court rulings. You dont agree with the law but its the law. You post twitter hacks with a bias as a source. I post the law and courts which are impartial and not a bias source. They dont need to convince the country just half. Guys with a bad case of TDS like you who are easy marks...
They did get caught red handed fabricating evidence with russiagate. They also got caught tampering with evidence. This is the same crew involved with Crossfire Hurricane...
You do understand docs that have been declassified still have the markings on them dont you? You can look online at declassified docs and they still have the markings on them...
I'm the mark because I recognize Donald Trump for the lying POS conman he is and always has been?
That's laughable. You guys eat his shit up, you guys send him money.
A " mark" is a term that was developed by carnies to recognize patrons they would fleece. That seems to be you since you eat Trump's carnie shit up with a spoon.
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Jesus dude you are just dumb. That doesn't matter since he had no rights to them anyway. Do you even hear/read anything other than what Trump tells you?
Its you thats so dumb since you cant seem to read the law and court ruling on this matter. Just keep following your twitter god cult and be dumb.
I don't know but if I were you, I'd stop trying to defend him until we find out.
I dont know but if I was you I would stop accusing him until we find out...
it's pretty obvious this guy isn't playing with a full deck - not sure why you continue to engage him
Yes posting the law and court ruling while you spout your twitter cult blue anon hacks as a source, its me that doesnt have a full deck?
yea im pretty familiar with the people involved. i wasnt being critical of you posting it, i was more saying i cant imagine it being that simple to put to bed. well i can but...im not sure if i hope so because of how hilarious that would be or hope not because thats a level of either incompetence or politicization that would make a banana republic blush
True. I keep telling myself to stop,but he feels me back in. It's intriguing to try to figure out if he's a troll, or just not smart.
I find you impartial and have great respect for your opinion even if it doesnt agree with me...
You should quit. Because when you spew garbage like low hanging fruit thats easy to debunk like "he has no rights to the docs" with the law and court ruling, it just makes you look like your brainwashed into a cult.
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You are trying to make legal arguments that his actual lawyers aren't attempting to make. Wonder who is right?
Im not making any argument with that. An argument is an opinion. I posted facts not opinion. The written laws and the written court ruling are law and thus fact. Let me be clear what follows is fact/law not opinion...
The law-
Records management requirements The Presidential Records Act gives records management authority for incumbent Presidential records to the President, and states that personal records should be kept separate upon their creation or receipt from the Presidential record files [44 U.S.C. § 2203(b)]. The Office of the White House Counsel generally provides PRA policy guidance. Although NARA has limited records management authority over incumbent Presidential records, NARA routinely provides records management guidance based on its institutional knowledge and expertise to the incumbent Administration upon request. White House staff responsible for maintaining file systems must be trained to keep personal records separate from Presidential records at the point of creation. Once items have been mixed, it becomes difficult to determine record status. Since the President has the discretion to determine what is personal material, this determination should be made during the incumbent’s term of office rather than after the records are transferred to NARA.
The Court ruling-
In the Court's view, plaintiff reads too much into this statement. Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion, see44 U.S.C. § 2203(b), so the Deputy Archivist could not and did not make a classification decision that can be challenged here. When she posited that perhaps the plaintiff was asking NARA “to make a further determination that the materials in question ought to be considered ‘[P]residential records,’ ” she was, if anything, as counsel for the defendant suggested at the hearing, opining on the question of whether there were grounds for the Archivist to choose to invoke the enforcement mechanism embodied in the statute. Tr. at 8; 23–24. But, neither plaintiff nor defendant believes that is a decision that is at issue in this lawsuit, see id., at 8–9, 37, 42, and 50, and, as is discussed below, such a decision would not be reviewable in any event.
You apparently don't know that incumbent refers to the current office holder, not the former president.
So that means that this law you keep posting is not applicable in this situation. Feel dumb yet?
Oh I do but what you dont seem to understand is he did this while in office. It has to be done before he leaves. Also any docs he turns over to NARA he cant go back and reclassify. Once NARA has the docs its under their authority and not before that time...
That's not true and he didn't do any of this.
He also has no rights to the documents whether they are unclassified or not once he leaves office. He has to turn them back over since they don't believe ng to the former president. At the very least, surely you understand and see this?
I will give you an opinion now on what will happen. Trump will be indicted Not under any circumstances can they allow him to run for office again. If he was to win they would all be exposed and indicted. Trump will be found guilty no matter what the law says in a stacked leftist DC court. No republican can get a fair trial in DC. The rinos and dinos are pushing for civil war. The maga crowd is made up of conservatives, libertarians, and liberals. The rinos and dinos are far left and far right. They are losing control to what is pretty much the center. They are pushing us to fight each other while they wait to cleanup after the fact when either side is too weak to resist them. Authoritarianism is a danger to both groups and authoritarianism only exist on the extremes of left and right. Right now the extremes of the left and right are united against those of us between them. In the past they controlled us with leaders on the left or right. We havent had a centrist leader since JFK until Trump. Just think about that. You can see the alliance between them right in front of your eyes. I say fuk the rinos and dinos. Vote for more populist people doesnt matter if dem or pub. Just get rid of the ruling class rot thats in DC...
You keep saying that like a drone. The law and courts and have said different.
No they don't. Once a president leave office, he has no rights to the documents. This is not debated by anyone.
The NARA has all rights to these documents.
Conspiracy theory much? Dude, you need to stay off of the internet and right wing YouTube. So much of what you just stated is just wrong.
The fact that you talk about RINOs and then don't realize that Trump is the original RINO is all I need
Get help.
Read the freaking law and ruling. NARA has zero authority over what the POTUS says is personal. POTUS has the sole power to decide whats personal. They only have authority over presidential records once they have been turned over at the end of the term. They have no say on what is personal or presidential. Says that in the court ruling.....
I said opinion. You can call any opinion a conspiracy i guess. Like your conspiracy he doesnt have rights to his docs. Its just an opinion. Direct text of the law and ruling are not opinion. Its a statement of facts. Fact is their his docs according to the law...
Good lord, you apprently can't read. The case you keep quoting only refers to a current,sitting president. Once they leave they have no rights to the documents. None. This isn't debatable.
Have you noticed none of the Republicans or Fox News are out there supporting him in this now? As more info comes out it is very clear he was in the wrong, and it's only getting worse.
It's laughable that you can defend how careless he was with important government documents.
Republicans notably silent, split as Trump probe deepens
At first, Republicans were highly critical of the FBI search of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate. But as new details emerge about the more than 100 classified documents the former president haphazardly stashed at his private home office, Republicans have gone notably silent.
apnews.com
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