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I’m not sure exactly what will happen, but I suspect massive changes.

Possible that California splinters into smaller states? I suspect that probability just increased exponentially.
No, I’m with you—I’m not sure either, but I put my faith in what I see first hand and my own professional experiences with Sacramento/California politics.

Any change won’t happen quickly; too much bureaucracy and the power brokers who control it won’t let it happen quickly.

Splinters? Lots of talk…highly unlikely to ever happen. Dividing up the water resources and infrastructure would be a colossal task. The consolidation and maturity of the electric utilities infrastructure in this state as compared to the water utilities industry is like comparing modern man to a troglodyte. It’s decades behind and while electric lines do age-out and need upgrading, water infrastructure wears out significantly faster. It probably doesn’t make the news back east when LADWP blows a large diameter distribution line, but it happens with regularity out here.
 
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No, I’m with you—I’m not sure either, but I put my faith in what I see first hand and my own professional experiences with Sacramento/California politics.

Any change won’t happen quickly; too much bureaucracy and the power brokers who control it won’t let it happen quickly.

Splinters? Lots of talk…highly unlikely to ever happen. Dividing up the water resources and infrastructure would be a colossal task. The consolidation and maturity of the electric utilities infrastructure in this state as compared to the water utilities industry is like comparing modern man to a troglodyte. It’s decades behind and while electric lines do age-out and need upgrading, water infrastructure wears out significantly faster. It probably doesn’t make the news back east when LADWP blows a large diameter distribution line, but it happens with regularity out here.

I disagree with your sentiment. I sense blood in the water and people are rightfully angry. I see sharks circling the democrats. Their policies are on display for the world to see.

Change happens fast. It isn’t slow. I was just in Prague a couple weeks ago touring and spoke to the tour guide about how fast the fall of communism came. It happened in a matter of weeks when the students just had enough.

The fire is the last straw for a lot of people. They lost their livelihood. No job to go back to. No house. Many with no insurance. Voters will not just look the other way as if this was just another nuisance. It’s a little different than having people shit on your sidewalk.

Democrat policies must be, and will be in my opinion, held accountable. I’m not sure exactly what it looks like, but I think 5 years from now things look very different in California.

 
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I disagree with your sentiment. I sense blood in the water and people are rightfully angry. I see sharks circling the democrats. Their policies are on display for the world to see.

Change happens fast. It isn’t slow. I was just in Prague a couple weeks ago touring and spoke to the tour guide about how fast the fall of communism came. It happened in a matter of weeks when the students just had enough.

The fire is the last straw for a lot of people. They lost their livelihood. No job to go back to. No house. Many with no insurance. Voters will not just look the other way as if this was just another nuisance. It’s a little different than having people shit on your sidewalk.

Democrat policies must be, and will be in my opinion, held accountable. I’m not sure exactly what it looks like, but I think 5 years from now things look very different in California.

Trump isn't exactly known for his crisis management so what do you think he'll do differently?
 
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Trump isn't exactly known for his crisis management so what do you think he'll do differently?
I mean more of Democratic policies on forest management.

And also water management. I'll wait for more complete information to render full judgement, but why was a 117 million gallon reservoir empty for almost a year? Also, why is water diverted into the ocean when other states need that water?

There was literally no water to fight fires with. Who would you hold accountable for that? Someone in governement was responsible for those decisions and we all know who runs CA governement.

Another thing to consider is the red tape on rebuilding. Democrats will have to bend their rules or else they will be voted out. WAY too many regulations in place for a successful comeback. They will need to adjust, and i assume they will.
 
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I disagree with your sentiment. I sense blood in the water and people are rightfully angry. I see sharks circling the democrats. Their policies are on display for the world to see.

Change happens fast. It isn’t slow. I was just in Prague a couple weeks ago touring and spoke to the tour guide about how fast the fall of communism came. It happened in a matter of weeks when the students just had enough.

The fire is the last straw for a lot of people. They lost their livelihood. No job to go back to. No house. Many with no insurance. Voters will not just look the other way as if this was just another nuisance. It’s a little different than having people shit on your sidewalk.

Democrat policies must be, and will be in my opinion, held accountable. I’m not sure exactly what it looks like, but I think 5 years from now things look very different in California.

Maybe you’ll be correct. The 2021 Gubernatorial recall election failed spectacularly despite all of the chatter I watched & heard downtown about people wanting Newsom out.

Wake me up when LA, Santa Clara, and Marin Counties flip red. Then, I’ll be a believer.
 
Maybe you’ll be correct. The 2021 Gubernatorial recall election failed spectacularly despite all of the chatter I watched & heard downtown about people wanting Newsom out.

Wake me up when LA, Santa Clara, and Marin Counties flip red. Then, I’ll be a believer.
I agree those counties won’t flip. That’s why I suspect the state may splinter.

It was already an idea, these fires probably cause it to gain more traction. Will be interesting to watch.
 
I mean more of Democratic policies on forest management.

And also water management. I'll wait for more complete information to render full judgement, but why was a 117 million gallon reservoir empty for almost a year? Also, why is water diverted into the ocean when other states need that water?

There was literally no water to fight fires with. Who would you hold accountable for that? Someone in governement was responsible for those decisions and we all know who runs CA governement.

Another thing to consider is the red tape on rebuilding. Democrats will have to bend their rules or else they will be voted out. WAY too many regulations in place for a successful comeback. They will need to adjust, and i assume they will.
The reservoir was under repair because shit happens.

"The Santa Ynez Reservoir in the Pacific Palisades has been closed for repairs after a covering designed to preserve water quality tore.

The reservoir’s status may have limited the water system’s ability to provide consistent pressure for firefighters, but Marty Adams, a former general manager of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, said it is unlikely to have made a significant difference in the battle against the Palisades Fire"

"Previously, the department said it had filled all available water facility storage tanks in Los Angeles ahead of the windstorm that spread the fire, including three 1 million-gallon tanks in the Palisades area."


What are Republican policies on forest management?
 
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I disagree with your sentiment. I sense blood in the water and people are rightfully angry. I see sharks circling the democrats. Their policies are on display for the world to see.

Change happens fast. It isn’t slow. I was just in Prague a couple weeks ago touring and spoke to the tour guide about how fast the fall of communism came. It happened in a matter of weeks when the students just had enough.

The fire is the last straw for a lot of people. They lost their livelihood. No job to go back to. No house. Many with no insurance. Voters will not just look the other way as if this was just another nuisance. It’s a little different than having people shit on your sidewalk.

Democrat policies must be, and will be in my opinion, held accountable. I’m not sure exactly what it looks like, but I think 5 years from now things look very different in California.

Side note - I visited Prague a year and a half ago. What did you think of it?

PS - we aren't under Communist rule.
 
Please explain how their sexual preference matters one bit? And the right wonders why people call them homophobic/sexist/etc...
You can look at my post history to confirm this, but I am not continuously out waging war against lgbt(sp)/trans/etc. HOWEVER, there is no way you can convince me those three people were/are the best candidates for the job and just happen not to be heterosexual or males when the overwhelming pool of candidates(firefighters) would be heterosexual males. Statistically, it almost impossible.

To be clear, this likely changes nothing as far as the impact from the fires. It does show, however, that the left is perfectly fine with discrimination as long as it only applies to certain groups. More importantly, it shows that doing the best possible job and producing the best outcome for taxpayers comes second to advancing political and social agendas. That is a problem, and should be concerning to anyone.
 
Interesting thread for sure but kind of pointless when viewed through a political point of view.

Personally, I've no idea whether the folks in charge of the LA fires are doing a good job or did a good job in prepping for it. I seriously doubt that anyone in this thread actually knows this either.

I think there's lots of folks that started off with the attitude that they didn't like the Democrats in California and this was an opportunity to say they they sucked because of <insert reason here>. You don't have to look far to see the opposite was true in Texas with their power problems. Lots of folks don't particularly like the folks that run Texas (and honestly, that includes me) and their power trouble was an opportunity to say they sucked because of <insert reason here>.

Anyway, the only reason I was in this thread was because the entire reason that the thread was started was a post that the Governor hadn't even activated the NG yet and that the Dems sucked. That was not the case. There's been other examples in this thread of the same things that turned out not to be true either, like the storage tanks not having any water when in fact they were full or the fire budget being cut when it wasn't.

From what I can see from local media, there were some problems with fire hydrants in the pacific palisades going dry. This was apparently b/c the water storage in this area had been depleted (3 tanks that each held 1 million gallons of water), and the city did not have the infrastructure to pump enough water up there to meet the firefighting demands, once the reserve tanks were dry. The result was low water pressure and the hydrants not delivering the water needed.

Now is this somehow a sign of people being asleep at the switch? IMHO, maybe. After all, why wasn't there MORE water stored up there if this was possible? Why weren't there 4 tanks... 6, 10, 100, 1000 tanks? Well the obvious answer is that the taxpayers are paying for those tanks and the upkeep and the infrastructure associated with them. At some point a decision was made that the amount of resources put into this was "enough". Obviously, it wasn't in this case.

But just like Texas during their cold snap... The power grid wasn't good enough to support demand during that event. But again, the resources that support having enough reserve power generation during peek events isn't free. At some point a decision was made that the amount of resources put into this was "enough". Obviously, it wasn't in that case.

I don't know that those choices made the people in charge wrong. You can't fund everything. You have to decide what amount of risk is acceptable vs the amount of money you have.
One can only hope you didn't pay money to make yourself this stupid, but I guarantee you have a degree hanging on a wall somewhere that you are very proud of.

"I don't know that those choices made the people in charge wrong. You can't fund everything. You have to decide what amount of risk is acceptable vs the amount of money you have." Just look at this "doosey" you just thought was smart to post.

HO-LEE-FVK!

This goes much further than the fires that are burning as we speak. It seems those people out there have plenty of money to spend on things that don't provide for the safety of their citizens.

People are leaving there as fast as they can, provided they have the money to do it. I showed my sister the "sh!t map of SF" before she ever moved out there. There is rampant homelessness. They support giving "sex change operations" for people in jail. They want to eliminate gas engines-the intent is make everything to go electric. Someone/Some people are getting a big "kickback" there.

Just think about the people that lost their "insurance" just within the last year, so "concerned citizens" could buy up their property at a very discounted price. How many times does Cali get to call "wolf", and disregard their stupidity? How many times?

They would be in good shape now minus stupidity. These people love the wonderful salaries but they are not smart enough to do the job.
 
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