Well then I wish you the best of luck. You and I have simply decided on different approaches to our healthcare.
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He was luckier than Hank Gathers who died from the vaccine.
That's fair, my question would be why don't we start with the actual disease that millions of people had that we know causes clots and cardiovascular issues.
Why are we starting with an assumption that it's the vaccines and not the disease?
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Not being a smart ass but I clearly said happening more than people "think". Many people who weren't aware that these things were already happening are thinking its happening more as a result of other things. I'm saying that it was happening more than they thought and it was known to folks who are in that arena. Prepandemic there was a heightened awareness. Since covid, many people want to connect everything to the vaccine including things that were already an issue that they may have been innocently unaware of.
For the record, I agree there are side effects with the vaccine. Under the conditions that it was made one would be crazy to think it would be perfect. Not arguing against that. Just saying don't attach it so quickly to things that were already occurring.
no clue if this has anything to do with James but this is correct and throughout the entire process, so called experts have been on both sides of the pros and cons. So when people say follow science, or trust the experts which expert or side of science are people supposed to follow. There were a ton out there stating that the vaccine was dangerous especially for the youth.
Is the growing rate of cardiac issues on younger folks related? I guess it depends on which expert or science project you read and believe
There are thousands of Deion Sanders prepandemic. Healthy men falling ill to some condition. Is that all you really need to connect it to the vaccine? What if he wasn't even vaccinated? Then what do you say? Same for Foxx. Haven't enough of these stories been shot down when we found out they weren't vaccinated?
I dunno man I wouldn’t go that far lol. I’m not gonna try to let a broken leg heal itself or refuse to go see a medical professional if I have an emergency. I’ve been to the ER for allergic reaction within the last 2 years. I was fully supportive of my parents (& anybody else, for that matter) getting their COVID vaccine.
It’s just interesting to me that expressing even the slightest amount of skepticism or suggesting a possible link between such an obvious & monstrous common denominator causes such a reaction. It’s simply raising some questions
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SCA is 11x more likely after a Covid infection than the vaccine. In the end this completely up to the family on how much they disclose, but SCA is far more common than y'all understand and can happen for a miriad of reasons. ECG's need to be done on people starting at 16 now in my opinion. Covid has irreparably changed how we should treat things. And again, post infection myocardial infarctions and blood clots are exponentially higher than post vaccine.
My answer and tone wasn't directed at you. It was a pre answer to the next person to come for what I said. I forgot to answer your question in the process. Yes. In my opinion you're correct. As the world gets smaller and the access to info continues to advance, we hear more about things that were already occurring at possibly the same rate. Heck it could've even lessened. My apologies.
It's far more likely to be caused by Covid though. Especially now that we've reached a point where you can have it and not know far more than before. IgG and IgM Covid antibodies should be common practice in situations like this and there are test that show whether it's from a vaccine or infection. A lot of doctors are not going to do this though, unless they are studying the prevalence between the two situations. In the end it's there job to treat injury, especially in emergency medicine, than find the cause. I think it's possible that should change because it could seriously she's some light on what is causing this.
That’s a good point and something I don’t know. Like I’ve said, I don’t pretend to know any of this
The media creates frenzy. “Anti-vaxxers don’t care about you or others.” “Vaxxers don’t care about your body or your rights.” Media frenzy leads to widespread speculation & finger pointing.
Often, the most likely / obvious answer IS the answer. But not always. I’m sure many of those who were unfortunate enough to experience such an emergency were probably victim to what you are referencing. But maybe there were others whose body reacted negatively to the vaccine with catastrophic effects. Not every instance is going to be the same but to completely rule out a common denominator across so many people “because the experts said so” seems more authoritative than scientific to me
I don’t know, but I do know that it’s important to ask questions and examine all possible answers. That’s all I’m getting at.
And I appreciate a thoughtful & polite response such as yours. People aren’t always going to have the same thought processes or opinions. Discussion should & can be civil, even with hot button topics
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Most of this is done by the CDC and on a year to year basis. The studies generally don't come out right away. But yes, I fo believe the instant news cycle has contributed to more awareness regardless and is definitely a factor in the perception.
I've never seen a single expert say the vaccine prevented covid. I have ALWAYS seen them say it will lessen the effects of covid. The same example has been used over and over. WHEN you get covid, because they assumed everyone would eventually, it will be a much less damaging experience, symptoms less severe, and you would have a better chance at surviving covid. Vaccinated people were getting it from day one of the vaccine and the big story was always the difference in experiences of the vaccinated and those that were not. Never was it about saying you totally wouldn't get it if vaccinated.
Biden, Fauci, and the cdc director all stated you can’t get covid if you’re vaccinated. You’re thinking a couple months later when narrative changed. It was never approved to reduce systems. Emergency authorization was based on it working as a vaccine, not a therapeutic.
I’ve never supported forced vaccination for a virus that doesn’t kill college students. That’s more than university of southern cal can say.
I’m not saying this situation is related, but I’m so thankful I did not get the jab.
I disagree. Never saw them say that. The literature during that time, in the midst of it stated clearly it will lessen the impact or possibly have a symptomless covid experience. It was about the the experience not keeping from getting covid. No one officially said you won't get covid with this shot unless you were listening to some alternate source of info.
The original vaccines were very effective at making it less likely you would get Covid vs being unvaccinated. It was never supposed to be 100%, no vaccines are 100% effective. Anyone who said it would 100% eliminate your chances of getting covd either misspoke, or exaggerated.
Over time, as more strains came out that the vaccines were not developed specifically for, they became less effective at prevention,but remained pretty effective at lessening the impact of an infection.
Exactly. This is what I heard. You stated almost exactly from my memory. They were always careful not to clearly say it stopped you from getting it. Studies were showing vaccinated less likely getting it but in most cases just lessening the symptoms after getting it compared to those who were not vaccinated. If you were vaccinated, stayed home, wore a mask, hid in the closet, spoke to no one (I'm kidding) etc you could possibly prevent it. But it was always a bunch of things working together for actual prevention. Not just the vaccine.
You just didn't care. Simple as that. Because of that it was not covered as much. Now it's going to get clicks and social media impressions from both sides who just love to argue. It's a gold mine
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ECG machines are in every doctor's office. Literally every single one. The cost is not extreme. It should be mandatory for a sports physical in my opinion. Hell, I played sports my whole life only to find out 5 years ago I have a congenital heart valve defect and I could have died of an aortic aneurysm at anytime, especially when lifting heavy weights. Now I will most likely need a heart valve replacement within the next 10 years or so and I'm not supposed to lift more than 50 lbs. I'm just hoping that TAVR are more commonplace so they don't have to open my chest up and gave full blown heart surgery.
Marquise Goodwin NFL wide receiver out indefinitely with blood clots in his legs and lungs.
lol, faith based mom groups on Facebook are not California hippies.
It's almost like science changes as evidence does. It was given emergency authorization because it's benefits outweighed it's negatives, just like any medication that gets approval. This idea that it wasn't approved as a therapeutic or that it mattered at all is nonsense. It was shown to be safe and effective for the strains it was developed for. Unfortunately a novel virus mutates incredibly fast. Overall the vaccine was extremely successful at preventing death and serious illness and the data on excess deaths spells that out pretty well. Counties that had the highest vaccination rate had less excess deaths and states in the US that had a higher vaccination rate also had less excess deaths. This is extremely consistent across the board. This is extremely good evidence that the vaccine did work.
It was said it made the symptoms less and less likely to get it but I know quite a few people who had it multiple times and worse after vaccine. Also the numbers did not fluctuate that much after until they stopped requiring testing
And lots tested positive with no symptoms prior to the mandatory testing being lifted. And a ton is false positives with rapid and a good amount with PCR.
There were entire batches that every round would test positive. Had a hospice account where every employee tested positive and that would have been impossible because some had just had it. Opened a new case and zero positives
Certainly there were lots of issues as people tried to address a brand new illness that was rapidly making people very sick and causing deaths. I prefer to think people were doing the best they could based on data they saw,then adjusted as more data and experiences became known.
It will be interesting to see the data in the future once we are passed the political fallout. I will be curious on why some people seemed extremely susceptible,while others, like me, never got it. I have a girl I work with who has had it 4 times and she isn't vaccinated, you would think she would have developed some natural immunity,but she doesn't appear to have done that. Still lots of unknowns.
The only real question is this. Is the drastic uptic in these situations because of Covid, or the vaccine. This comes from one of the top 3 cardiovascular surgeons in SC.
Bronny stable, out of ICU following cardiac arrest
USC freshman Bronny James is in stable condition and out of the ICU after suffering a cardiac arrest.www.espn.com
Right, but I don’t think people are saying the vaccine “didn’t work” - I think some people are curious about a ~possible~ link between the vaccine & acute cardiovascular emergencies / deaths in young, healthy individuals. Not pounding the table saying it is the definitive cause, but simply saying “hey wait a minute, we have to explore this possibility too”
You said it - science changes as evidence does….which is why the whole steadfast “Trust TheScience™️” mentality with something so novel & constantly changing is bizarre to me.
Nobody on this planet has any idea what potential side effects may start to show more and more frequently as time goes on. Or there may be none at all. My opinion is that it’s too soon to know definitively either way.
Some high schools do require Ekgs to play. At minimum they require a drs physical. My bet is the young man has had an EKG before.
Not everything is detectable with an EKG. The DB for Buffalo could have had a hundred and all would have been normal. That was a freak accident from a sharp blunt blow to the chest/heart at a specific millisecond point of the cardiac cycle causing ventricular fibrillation
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Your view of anti-vaxxers is a lot like saying every republican is a capitol rioter.
the cheapest way for a school to do it is in mass for the team and would not be much per player
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