LGBT in MD teaching 3 year olds about drag queens…

[MTTiger19]

What happened here? Less than 20 years ago they wanted to be able to get married or have civil unions. That somehow became what we see today where now they demand sexually explicit, homosexual literature be necessary for a 4th grade English class and children being exposed to drag queens. There’s a lot of people in here that have taken the side of that community, how much farther do they go? And is the imposition of their religion (that’s exactly what that is) not concerning? The irony here is someone like Yoshi will accuse me of being overly concerned about this small number of people. Yet the true obsession lies with them, why else would you indoctrinate children in school.

 

[TigerGrowls]

What happened here? Less than 20 years ago they wanted to be able to get married or have civil unions. That somehow became what we see today where now they demand sexually explicit, homosexual literature be necessary for a 4th grade English class and children being exposed to drag queens. There’s a lot of people in here that have taken the side of that community, how much farther do they go? And is the imposition of their religion (that’s exactly what that is) not concerning? The irony here is someone like Yoshi will accuse me of being overly concerned about this small number of people. Yet the true obsession lies with them, why else would you indoctrinate children in school.

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It's a plan of indoctrination without a doubt. Why is the big question.

 

[MTTiger19]

It's a plan of indoctrination without a doubt. Why is the big question.

And the irony of an entire group of people that cannot have children naturally being obsessed with what children are taught and exposed to. If you truly want equality and to be treated the same why do you feel the need to impose your belief structures on others, especially children. I would think this shows the cultish, religious type commitment of some in this community.

 

[MTTiger19]

It's a plan of indoctrination without a doubt. Why is the big question.

The why is two fold as best I can tell. They pride themselves on being the party of the marginalized so this fits. Problem is they move on once they deem them not marginalized enough. They left normal gays for transsexuals, blacks for illegals, etc…. It’s basically what group needs a white knight champion. The second part is the hatred of religion, specifically Christianity. Look at the posts in here from pontif and tboone, they just hate Christian’s and Christian theology period. So if a position is anti Christian it’s perfect for them. That’s my opinion.

 

[Rahskie]

This is a big deal. It is about what rights parents have in the curriculum. I for one believe that math, science, language arts and social studies are key areas for study and that parents should for the most part stay out of the curriculum. However, when the curriculum starts encroaching on social or society issues, that to me is where parents should have a say. What if the schools started teaching how to be a mass murderer or that there is no such thing as God. I know it is a crazy analogy, but the point I am making is that there are some areas where the parents need to lead the teaching and the school has no rights to circumvent those areas.

Some religious groups think homosexuality is a sin. Does the school have the right to teach their children what the school believes versus what the parent believes. NO.

 

[tigres88]

What if the schools started teaching how to be a mass murderer or that there is no such thing as God. I know it is a crazy analogy

Yes, this is not just a crazy analogy, its an insane analogy equating these 2.

Schools should teach the full spectrum of belief, if they mention god at all. This should include those who believe there is no god as well.

Some religious groups think homosexuality is a sin. Does the school have the right to teach their children what the school believes versus what the parent believes.

Schools should, once again, teach science, biology, gender, and the full spectrum of belief on the matter.

I strongly believe parents should raise their child how they see fit, but the whole point of education is.... education. A full bodied, holistic understanding of the world, and then the parents can take it from there.

 

[BlueRidgedf]

This has to be a 9-0 vote for the parents and against the groomers. Stuff like this is why Donald Trump is President none of the libs on here will admit it but it's true.

 

[BlueRidgedf]

What is the fascination with the left sexualizing small kids? What the fascination with some man dressing up like a woman and bumping and grinding in front of 6 years olds?

 

[MTTiger19]

This has to be a 9-0 vote for the parents and against the groomers. Stuff like this is why Donald Trump is President none of the libs on here will admit it but it's true.

Notice not one of them is present. Which is typical. But let an illegal get deported without 2-3 court appearances and all hell is breaking loose. Hypocrites don’t even care about the children of their own nation.

 

[MTTiger19]

Yes, this is not just a crazy analogy, its an insane analogy equating these 2.

Schools should teach the full spectrum of belief, if they mention god at all. This should include those who believe there is no god as well.



Schools should, once again, teach science, biology, gender, and the full spectrum of belief on the matter.

I strongly believe parents should raise their child how they see fit, but the whole point of education is.... education. A full bodied, holistic understanding of the world, and then the parents can take it from there.

You think people should be teaching drag queens kink to 3 year olds. That’s education? Why stop there. You good with having the KKK show up too. It’s just part of the world right?

 

[tigres88]

You think people should be teaching drag queens kink to 3 year olds. That’s education? Why stop there. You good with having the KKK show up too. It’s just part of the world right?

I was responding to the other poster who brought a lot of other bs into this thread.

I'm conflicted on the drag queen piece- I think they're harmless and the LGBTQ community would like for them to be normalized. I have no problem with Drag Queens being normalized to children (including all of mine), but realize that's a much touchier and complicated subject that a large swath of the population disagrees with. So I won't make any stands there at all.

 

[MTTiger19]

I was responding to the other poster who brought a lot of other bs into this thread.

I'm conflicted on the drag queen piece- I think they're harmless and the LGBTQ community would like for them to be normalized. I have no problem with Drag Queens being normalized to children (including all of mine), but realize that's a much touchier and complicated subject that a large swath of the population disagrees with. So I won't make any stands there at all.

The only issue I have is a man dressing up like a woman isn’t normal. It’s no different than dressing up in a costume, if you do that on any other day than Halloween you get mocked. That goes for everyone not just drag queens. I’m shocked you think it’s appropriate for someone whose sole contribution is discussing their sexuality to be involved with young children. Why are they hoping to normalize behavior that isn’t normal to children, they’re literally grooming them in kindergarten. I don’t want to hear another peep about due process for illegals when our own children can’t be protected from over sexualized, psychos that want to be in their classroom. Leave us alone with that shit. Go do your thing in your home and stay away from our kids. This is why you keep losing and people that are relatively moderate can’t stand democrats. My children and the children of this nation are more important to me than an illegals constitutional rights. Full stop.

This also shows the disconnect between your party and normal people. @yoshi121374 ridiculed me for having an opinion because I’m not being directly impacted and this is supposedly just happening in small numbers. This stuff matters, especially to most parents. And it’s not such a small number when public schools in MD are promoting this.

 

[firegiver]

I don't have time right now to listen. Obviously SEXUAL teaching is something that is only discussed with 5th grade and up.
Not sure what they are talking about here. 'trans-sexuality' what is that? are they just saying trans people exist? Are we conflating existence with sexuality? im just wondering

 

[MTTiger19]

I don't have time right now to listen. Obviously SEXUAL teaching is something that is only discussed with 5th grade and up.
Not sure what they are talking about here. 'trans-sexuality' what is that? are they just saying trans people exist? Are we conflating existence with sexuality? im just wondering

I would suggest listening to the 4 minute clip of the attorney representing the lgbt and the judge. It certainly was NOT in the vein of those people exist and be nice. The attorney even claims in the clip it is an attempt to change the perception of drag queens in children’s minds. He says that verbatim. That has zero relevance in any way at an elementary school. He also specifically talks about 3 year olds through 4th grade. So the whole 5th grade nonsense is out the window.

 

[dbjork6317]

This is a big deal. It is about what rights parents have in the curriculum. I for one believe that math, science, language arts and social studies are key areas for study and that parents should for the most part stay out of the curriculum. However, when the curriculum starts encroaching on social or society issues, that to me is where parents should have a say. What if the schools started teaching how to be a mass murderer or that there is no such thing as God. I know it is a crazy analogy, but the point I am making is that there are some areas where the parents need to lead the teaching and the school has no rights to circumvent those areas.

Some religious groups think homosexuality is a sin. Does the school have the right to teach their children what the school believes versus what the parent believes. NO.

I don’t think schools should be teaching that there is no god, because we can’t say that to a definite certainty, but they should absolutely be teaching that there is no evidence for a god if we’re going to address religion at all in a science class.

School curriculum should stick to the facts and the truths in science, math, history. That’s a little bit trickier in arts subjects that aren’t necessarily dealing with objective fact, so my argument there would be that they should lean on curriculum that covers work based on its influence moreso than its subject. Similar with certain elements of history since inevitably you’re going to have to pick and choose what you teach. Certainly some elements of religion will come into that and while I would clearly not support teaching religion in schools, it is also important to teach that religion exists and the impact that it has had on history/society/culture etc.

Same is true for me with sexuality. I don’t generally support teaching sexuality beyond the facts of the existence of such sexuality. Homosexuals exists, transexuals exist, drag queens exist and I don’t think its wrong to teach the basic facts around these sexualities (drag queens kind of fall into an odd category because that isn’t a sexuality or a gender or anything really, it more appropriately falls under theater or maybe cultural studies).

I suppose the primary question being asked is at what age are various topics appropriate. Teaching sex education in 4th grade seems early to me, when I was growing up that started around the 7th-8th grade which seems to make more sense. However, I also have to acknowledge that children are just in general exposed to all kinds of things at much earlier ages due to the proliferation of the internet and its entirely possible that a 4th grader would now have a similar level of knowledge about sexuality that I had as an 8th grader.

I guess my argument would be: why even have teachers and people whose job it is to design curriculum if we aren’t going to let them actually do this job without interference? Isn’t the whole point of someone studying education so that they can be experts in the exact question of what subjects are appropriate for which age groups and how to best teach that subject? Isn’t that what we trust someone who has been in the education field for their entire career to be able to put together?

I would argue that the real problem with many, many things in our society today - including in education - is that for some reason everyone believes everyone else is acting in bad faith. There is this weird paranoia that everyone is acting with some agenda to harm and I’m willing to bet that’s probably not the case 99% of the time, but this paranoia actually makes it easier for those that are acting in bad faith to implement change that is harmful - speaking on a large scale here, not just specific to this or other education arguments.

Parents have the right to teach their children just about anything they want to inside the home, parents do not have the right to determine what is taught to everyone else’s children in publicly funded schools. We have to trust that all people - educators, parents, students - are acting in good faith or else our society will crumble into, well, what its currently crumbling into.

 

[tigres88]

The only issue I have is a man dressing up like a woman isn’t normal. It’s no different than dressing up in a costume, if you do that on any other day than Halloween you get mocked. That goes for everyone not just drag queens. I’m shocked you think it’s appropriate for someone whose sole contribution is discussing their sexuality to be involved with young children. Why are they hoping to normalize behavior that isn’t normal to children, they’re literally grooming them in kindergarten. I don’t want to hear another peep about due process for illegals when our own children can’t be protected from over sexualized, psychos that want to be in their classroom. Leave us alone with that shit. Go do your thing in your home and stay away from our kids. This is why you keep losing and people that are relatively moderate can’t stand democrats. My children and the children of this nation are more important to me than an illegals constitutional rights. Full stop.

This also shows the disconnect between your party and normal people. @yoshi121374 ridiculed me for having an opinion because I’m not being directly impacted and this is supposedly just happening in small numbers. This stuff matters, especially to most parents. And it’s not such a small number when public schools in MD are promoting this.

I would argue that the real problem with many, many things in our society today - including in education - is that for some reason everyone believes everyone else is acting in bad faith. There is this weird paranoia that everyone is acting with some agenda to harm and I’m willing to bet that’s probably not the case 99% of the time, but this paranoia actually makes it easier for those that are acting in bad faith to implement change that is harmful - speaking on a large scale here, not just specific to this or other education arguments.

@MTTiger19 sorry for triggering you big guy- but this sums up my thought on the matter.

 

[fatpiggy]

Yes, this is not just a crazy analogy, its an insane analogy equating these 2.

Schools should teach the full spectrum of belief, if they mention god at all. This should include those who believe there is no god as well.



Schools should, once again, teach science, biology, gender, and the full spectrum of belief on the matter.

I strongly believe parents should raise their child how they see fit, but the whole point of education is.... education. A full bodied, holistic understanding of the world, and then the parents can take it from there.

If the class was entitled "The making of a President: Donald Trump The Greatest President in US History" - Would you feel the same? Does the gov have the power to make you take a class.

 

[dbjork6317]

I would suggest listening to the 4 minute clip of the attorney representing the lgbt and the judge. It certainly was NOT in the vein of those people exist and be nice. The attorney even claims in the clip it is an attempt to change the perception of drag queens in children’s minds. He says that verbatim. That has zero relevance in any way at an elementary school. He also specifically talks about 3 year olds through 4th grade. So the whole 5th grade nonsense is out the window.

Yeah I listened to the audio twice and he doesn’t say that verbatim. He doesn’t even say anything close to that. The word “perception” is never even used at all. I’m assuming you’re referencing this exchange:

Gorsuch: “You’ve included these in the english language curriculum rather than the human sexuality curriculum to influence students, is that fair? That’s what the district court found, do you agree with that?”

Atty: “I think to the extent the district court found that it was to influence, it was to influence them towards civility, and natural consequence of being exposed - “

Gorsuch: “whatever, but to influence them?”

Atty: “in the manner that I just mentioned, yes.”

So that exchange seems to actually contradict your assertion that “it certainly was NOT in the vein of those people exist and be nice.” And obviously totally disproves your claim that the attorney “claims in the clip it is an attempt to change the perception of drag queens in children’s minds. He says that verbatim.”

So…did YOU listen to the audio? Or did you not understand what you listened to? Or did you just make something up in hopes no one else would listen to it? How did you come to so thoroughly misquote the audio?

If you’re gonna make an argument, make it with the facts, not with made up/misremembered/whatever else bullshit you typed in this reply.

 

[fatpiggy]

I don’t think schools should be teaching that there is no god, because we can’t say that to a definite certainty, but they should absolutely be teaching that there is no evidence for a god if we’re going to address religion at all in a science class.

School curriculum should stick to the facts and the truths in science, math, history. That’s a little bit trickier in arts subjects that aren’t necessarily dealing with objective fact, so my argument there would be that they should lean on curriculum that covers work based on its influence moreso than its subject. Similar with certain elements of history since inevitably you’re going to have to pick and choose what you teach. Certainly some elements of religion will come into that and while I would clearly not support teaching religion in schools, it is also important to teach that religion exists and the impact that it has had on history/society/culture etc.

Same is true for me with sexuality. I don’t generally support teaching sexuality beyond the facts of the existence of such sexuality. Homosexuals exists, transexuals exist, drag queens exist and I don’t think its wrong to teach the basic facts around these sexualities (drag queens kind of fall into an odd category because that isn’t a sexuality or a gender or anything really, it more appropriately falls under theater or maybe cultural studies).

I suppose the primary question being asked is at what age are various topics appropriate. Teaching sex education in 4th grade seems early to me, when I was growing up that started around the 7th-8th grade which seems to make more sense. However, I also have to acknowledge that children are just in general exposed to all kinds of things at much earlier ages due to the proliferation of the internet and its entirely possible that a 4th grader would now have a similar level of knowledge about sexuality that I had as an 8th grader.

I guess my argument would be: why even have teachers and people whose job it is to design curriculum if we aren’t going to let them actually do this job without interference? Isn’t the whole point of someone studying education so that they can be experts in the exact question of what subjects are appropriate for which age groups and how to best teach that subject? Isn’t that what we trust someone who has been in the education field for their entire career to be able to put together?

I would argue that the real problem with many, many things in our society today - including in education - is that for some reason everyone believes everyone else is acting in bad faith. There is this weird paranoia that everyone is acting with some agenda to harm and I’m willing to bet that’s probably not the case 99% of the time, but this paranoia actually makes it easier for those that are acting in bad faith to implement change that is harmful - speaking on a large scale here, not just specific to this or other education arguments.

Parents have the right to teach their children just about anything they want to inside the home, parents do not have the right to determine what is taught to everyone else’s children in publicly funded schools. We have to trust that all people - educators, parents, students - are acting in good faith or else our society will crumble into, well, what its currently crumbling into.

There is this weird paranoia that everyone is acting with some agenda to harm


The government has lost all trust. Do people ever stop and ask why?

 

[tigres88]

If the class was entitled "The making of a President: Donald Trump The Greatest President in US History" - Would you feel the same? Does the gov have the power to make you take a class.

If the class was entitled "Presidents in history," or "modern day politics" or the "rise of MAGA," I would be totally fine.

Pig boi you're the king of non sequiturs, and this is a clear example. I wasn't saying ANYWHERE in my post they should teach something skewed, but rather show a holistic view of ALL subjects.

Trump, MAGA, Conspiracy Theorists, etc, all the things I PERSONALLY disagree with, should absolutely be covered and taught in schools.

You can't teach sexuality without touching on these subjects, transexuals, drag queens, etc. I already stated I'm conflicted on the "drag queens around kids" issue and didn't come down hard on a stance.

I'm conflicted on the drag queen piece- I think they're harmless and the LGBTQ community would like for them to be normalized. I have no problem with Drag Queens being normalized to children (including all of mine), but realize that's a much touchier and complicated subject that a large swath of the population disagrees with. So I won't make any stands there at all.

Hope your reading comprehension improves bud!

 

[tigres88]

There is this weird paranoia that everyone is acting with some agenda to harm
The government has lost all trust. Do people ever stop and ask why?

You're really fixated on this piece and won't shut up about it. Everyone knows that the American people have lost trust in the Government. That doesn't mean MAGA/Trump are anymore trustworthy, and in fact, they play on being incredibly untrustworthy because they know people expect it. That isn't a healthy solution or fix, so your argument holds no water.

You love to fixate on certain topics- DEI and how Whites should have "whites only gatherings," the Tesla bootlicking, how you're an economics expert but won't actually engage with real economic experts on this board, etc. You know who else constantly fixates on things?

You sure you weren't vaccinated? I've heard RFK is doing alot of research on your condition!

 

[fatpiggy]

You're really fixated on this piece and won't shut up about it. Everyone knows that the American people have lost trust in the Government. That doesn't mean MAGA/Trump are anymore trustworthy, and in fact, they play on being incredibly untrustworthy because they know people expect it. That isn't a healthy solution or fix, so your argument holds no water.

You love to fixate on certain topics- DEI and how Whites should have "whites only gatherings," the Tesla bootlicking, how you're an economics expert but won't actually engage with real economic experts on this board, etc. You know who else constantly fixates on things?

You sure you weren't vaccinated? I've heard RFK is doing alot of research on your condition!

Y'all want to run roughsod through the people and then play dumb as to why no one trusts you.

Thats ok. Until y'all figure it out you will keep losing.

Have fun.

 

[fatpiggy]

Trannies Trannies Trannies. We should hire Nancy Mace to deal with this.

 

[MTTiger19]

I don’t think schools should be teaching that there is no god, because we can’t say that to a definite certainty, but they should absolutely be teaching that there is no evidence for a god if we’re going to address religion at all in a science class.

School curriculum should stick to the facts and the truths in science, math, history. That’s a little bit trickier in arts subjects that aren’t necessarily dealing with objective fact, so my argument there would be that they should lean on curriculum that covers work based on its influence moreso than its subject. Similar with certain elements of history since inevitably you’re going to have to pick and choose what you teach. Certainly some elements of religion will come into that and while I would clearly not support teaching religion in schools, it is also important to teach that religion exists and the impact that it has had on history/society/culture etc.

Same is true for me with sexuality. I don’t generally support teaching sexuality beyond the facts of the existence of such sexuality. Homosexuals exists, transexuals exist, drag queens exist and I don’t think its wrong to teach the basic facts around these sexualities (drag queens kind of fall into an odd category because that isn’t a sexuality or a gender or anything really, it more appropriately falls under theater or maybe cultural studies).

I suppose the primary question being asked is at what age are various topics appropriate. Teaching sex education in 4th grade seems early to me, when I was growing up that started around the 7th-8th grade which seems to make more sense. However, I also have to acknowledge that children are just in general exposed to all kinds of things at much earlier ages due to the proliferation of the internet and its entirely possible that a 4th grader would now have a similar level of knowledge about sexuality that I had as an 8th grader.

I guess my argument would be: why even have teachers and people whose job it is to design curriculum if we aren’t going to let them actually do this job without interference? Isn’t the whole point of someone studying education so that they can be experts in the exact question of what subjects are appropriate for which age groups and how to best teach that subject? Isn’t that what we trust someone who has been in the education field for their entire career to be able to put together?

I would argue that the real problem with many, many things in our society today - including in education - is that for some reason everyone believes everyone else is acting in bad faith. There is this weird paranoia that everyone is acting with some agenda to harm and I’m willing to bet that’s probably not the case 99% of the time, but this paranoia actually makes it easier for those that are acting in bad faith to implement change that is harmful - speaking on a large scale here, not just specific to this or other education arguments.

Parents have the right to teach their children just about anything they want to inside the home, parents do not have the right to determine what is taught to everyone else’s children in publicly funded schools. We have to trust that all people - educators, parents, students - are acting in good faith or else our society will crumble into, well, what its currently crumbling into.

It’s hard to argue with most of that but the fact remains this was targeted at 3 year olds. And as I mentioned numerous times, targeted at 3 year old - 4th grade. That’s unacceptable. A lot of my issues come from feeling taken advantage of. And this is another. I’m tolerant and understanding, I don’t treat people bad but this kinda stuff is too far. You’re taking advantage of my kindness. I’m fine with teaching kids whatever. I’m not fine with inviting drag queens to read stories to kids. Those aren’t the same despite your insistence it’s all education. It is not always that cut and dry. It’s one thing to educate, it’s entirely another to actively promote. Teaching children about homosexuality is not the same as having them play games that promote finding leather for the kink queen. Period. That goes for anything, not just sexuality.

 

[dbjork6317]

It’s hard to argue with most of that but the fact remains this was targeted at 3 year olds. And as I mentioned numerous times, targeted at 3 year old - 4th grade. That’s unacceptable. A lot of my issues come from feeling taken advantage of. And this is another. I’m tolerant and understanding, I don’t treat people bad but this kinda stuff is too far. You’re taking advantage of my kindness. I’m fine with teaching kids whatever. I’m not fine with inviting drag queens to read stories to kids. Those aren’t the same despite your insistence it’s all education. It is not always that cut and dry. It’s one thing to educate, it’s entirely another to actively promote. Teaching children about homosexuality is not the same as having them play games that promote finding leather for the kink queen. Period. That goes for anything, not just sexuality.

“You’re taking advantage of my kindness”

Lmao

 

[Rahskie]

I was responding to the other poster who brought a lot of other bs into this thread.

I'm conflicted on the drag queen piece- I think they're harmless and the LGBTQ community would like for them to be normalized. I have no problem with Drag Queens being normalized to children (including all of mine), but realize that's a much touchier and complicated subject that a large swath of the population disagrees with. So I won't make any stands there at all.

It's not BS when you are teaching things that go against a person's religion. I would much prefer they start teaching about finances, taxes, budgeting, loans, insurance, investing, child care costs etc. If only to introduce kids to those terms and what they mean. Those are much more important topics to being able to live and succeed in life than the LBGQT+ curriculum they are ramming down student's throats.

 

[WapPride]

It's not BS when you are teaching things that go against a person's religion. I would much prefer they start teaching about finances, taxes, budgeting, loans, insurance, investing, child care costs etc. If only to introduce kids to those terms and what they mean. Those are much more important topics to being able to live and succeed in life than the LBGQT+ curriculum they are ramming down student's throats.

If you are in a public school, then tough shit. If you only want your child to learn about Christian ideology and topics that only conform to Christianity, then pull them out of public school and send them to any number of the Christian private schools in this country. No public school should be prioritizing the religious beliefs of one group over another.

I don't really have an issue with teaching about LGBTQ issues at an early age because thinking that it will suddenly turn children gay/trans is ridiculous.

 

[MTTiger19]

“You’re taking advantage of my kindness”

Lmao

Not sure why that’s lmao. I think a lot of people feel that way. I don’t hate gay or trans people. I think it’s going to far. Apparently over half the country feel that way too.

 

[other1]

What is the fascination with the left sexualizing small kids? What the fascination with some man dressing up like a woman and bumping and grinding in front of 6 years olds?

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[dbjork6317]

Not sure why that’s lmao. I think a lot of people feel that way. I don’t hate gay or trans people. I think it’s going to far. Apparently over half the country feel that way too.

I just didn’t realize how important you were that an entire group of people need your “kindness” in order to exist.

 

[MTTiger19]

I just didn’t realize how important you were that an entire group of people need your “kindness” in order to exist.

Tolerance requires kindness. It requires give and take. I don’t agree with things just like you. Tolerance or kindness or whatever you want to call it is critical for us to mutually exist. In the same manner I wouldn’t intentionally offend someone I expect to be treated likewise. There are things that are socially acceptable and agreed upon and others that aren’t. It’s ok to have boundaries.

 

[ANEW]

This has to be a 9-0 vote for the parents and against the groomers. Stuff like this is why Donald Trump is President none of the libs on here will admit it but it's true.

I'm not a lib, but I agree. Illegal immigration might have been enough but add trans-wackiness and it was a done deal.

 

[tigres88]

Trannies Trannies Trannies. We should hire Nancy Mace to deal with this.

I hope saying slurs gets you as bricked up as that unhinged mental patient from a gerrymandered blue district does. It sure gets her going!

 

[Rahskie]

If you are in a public school, then tough shit. If you only want your child to learn about Christian ideology and topics that only conform to Christianity, then pull them out of public school and send them to any number of the Christian private schools in this country. No public school should be prioritizing the religious beliefs of one group over another.

I don't really have an issue with teaching about LGBTQ issues at an early age because thinking that it will suddenly turn children gay/trans is ridiculous.

The lawsuit against the LBGQT+ in front of the Supreme Court is being brought by a coalition of Christian and Muslim, parents. Two groups that have been fighting for 1000's of years and never agree on anything, yet they both agree that teaching LBGQT is not something they want the school doing. Your comment about being in a public school, then tough shit....that is fine until they start teaching something YOU disagree with.

 

[WapPride]

The lawsuit against the LBGQT+ in front of the Supreme Court is being brought by a coalition of Christian and Muslim, parents. Two groups that have been fighting for 1000's of years and never agree on anything, yet they both agree that teaching LBGQT is not something they want the school doing. Your comment about being in a public school, then tough shit....that is fine until they start teaching something YOU disagree with.

Well, ~1000 years. Regardless, religious doctrine shouldn't have any bearing on what is taught in PUBLIC schools.

 

[MTTiger19]

Well, ~1000 years. Regardless, religious doctrine shouldn't have any bearing on what is taught in PUBLIC schools.

That’s fine too but here’s the problem and where libs are most likely missing the boat. This issue has shown the unrelenting unwillingness to compromise on something that’s pretty straightforward. This isn’t some republican or maga issue, this is something that a large portion of the population feel strongly about and this singular issue could have cost you an entire election. Simply because your side isn’t willing to budge. We don’t want that shit in our schools anymore than we want white nationalism or BLM or Antifa in schools. It’s a private, personal preference and matter and our children don’t need unnecessary exposure to that at the age of 3. It’s crazy. Not one parent on the planet that’s reasonable wants drag queens leading 3-4 year olds on leather scanvenger hunts for the kink queen but yall are literally willing to die politically for it. This has nothing to do with turning kids gay or being homophobic at all, it’s inappropriate and irresponsible.

Edit: imagine the people that would start listening to more of what you say when you start having common sense on simple issues like this and men and women’s sports. @yoshi121374 incorrectly made the point that it’s a small number and doesn’t personally affect most, that’s ridiculous as neither does pedophilia. People are sick of the nonsense. Just have some normal views occasionally, especially on things like this, yall over think this stuff.

 

[BlueRidgedf]

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I'm sorry who is this? And what does it have to do with far left lunatics who want to indoctrinate your kids.

 

[WapPride]

That’s fine too but here’s the problem and where libs are most likely missing the boat. This issue has shown the unrelenting unwillingness to compromise on something that’s pretty straightforward. This isn’t some republican or maga issue, this is something that a large portion of the population feel strongly about and this singular issue could have cost you an entire election. Simply because your side isn’t willing to budge. We don’t want that shit in our schools anymore than we want white nationalism or BLM or Antifa in schools. It’s a private, personal preference and matter and our children don’t need unnecessary exposure to that at the age of 3. It’s crazy. Not one parent on the planet that’s reasonable wants drag queens leading 3-4 year olds on leather scanvenger hunts for the kink queen but yall are literally willing to die politically for it. This has nothing to do with turning kids gay or being homophobic at all, it’s inappropriate and irresponsible.

Edit: imagine the people that would start listening to more of what you say when you start having common sense on simple issues like this and men and women’s sports. @yoshi121374 incorrectly made the point that it’s a small number and doesn’t personally affect most, that’s ridiculous as neither does pedophilia. People are sick of the nonsense. Just have some normal views occasionally, especially on things like this, yall over think this stuff.

This is the same argument that was used against integration, fwiw.

 

[MTTiger19]

This is the same argument that was used against integration, fwiw.

Possibly but we are much past that and no one is blasting gays with fire hydrants or having pit bulls attack them to my knowledge. I would assume blacks that went through integration would find that offensive.

 

[WapPride]

Possibly but we are much past that and no one is blasting gays with fire hydrants or having pit bulls attack them to my knowledge. I would assume blacks that went through integration would find that offensive.

I’m just pointing out the parallel arguments.

Who knows, maybe in 60 years we will be looking back in disgust at this anti-lgbtq rhetoric the same way we look at segregationists.