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'Little to no difference': Massive mask meta-study undermines remaining COVID mandates

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Take this and suck on it maskers. Let the truth set you free. You all know who you are and you should reply and repent on this thread.


Researchers in "gold standard" collaboration struggle to find benefit from surgical over no masks, or N95 respirators over surgical. Findings buoy warnings by PPE expert that even "perfect rate of capture" by N95s can't stop COVID transmission.

By Greg Piper
Updated: January 31, 2023 - 11:12pm

An international research collaboration that reviewed several dozen rigorous studies of "physical interventions" against influenza and COVID-19 through last year failed to find even a modest effect on infection or illness rates from masks of all qualities.
Published in the peer-reviewed Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, run by the British evidence-based medicine charity Cochrane, the study raises new doubts about ongoing mask mandates and public health recommendations worldwide.
The CDC is still recommending masking in areas with "high" transmission levels — fewer than 4% of U.S. counties — as well as indoor masking to protect high-risk contacts in "medium" counties (27%).
Masks are still required in educational institutions in Democratic strongholds such as New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Washington and California, according to the Daily Mail. Boston Public Schools denied its "temporary masking protocol" in early January was a "mandate," following a public letter against the policy by student Enrique Abud Evereteze.
South Korea is still requiring masks on public transport and in medical facilities after dropping COVID mandates in most indoor settings, including gyms, Monday, Reuters reported.
The researchers for the Cochrane study are affiliated with a geographically disparate range of institutions in the U.K., Canada, Australia, Italy and Saudi Arabia. Half are affiliated with the Institute for Evidence-Based Healthcare at Australia's Bond University. The corresponding author is the University of Calgary's John Conly.
Unlisted author Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, gave a brief summary of the study population and findings on Twitter.

The team added 11 new randomized controlled trials and "cluster-RCTs," which randomize groups of subjects rather than individuals, to its prior review from November 2020, for a total of 78 studies. The additions included COVID pandemic trials: two from Mexico and one each from England, Norway, Denmark and Bangladesh, the latter two well known internationally.
The Danish study had trouble finding a major journal willing to publish its controversial findings that wearing surgical masks had no statistically significant effect on infection rates, even among those who claimed to wear them "exactly as instructed."
Mainstream media overlooked red flags in the Bangladeshi mask study, which found no effect for surgical masks under age 50 and a difference of only 20 infections between control and treatment groups among 342,000 adults.
Cochrane itself had a spat with Instagram in November 2021 over sharing purported COVID misinformation, even though the group does not accept "commercial or conflicted funding" and its funding partners include the U.S. National Institutes of Health and U.K. National Institute for Health and Care Research.

The updated Cochrane review included 10 cluster RCTs in the "community" and two with healthcare workers totalling about 290,000 participants, comparing the effect of surgical versus no masks.
They measured risk ratios, which below 1 means the intervention improved the outcome and above 1 worsened it. The closer to 1, the less effect it had.
In the community, mask-wearing "probably makes little to no difference" in either influenza-like or COVID-like illness (0.95) or "laboratory-confirmed" infections of either virus (1.01). While the confirmed-infections finding had a much wider confidence interval, the team called both these results "moderate-certainty evidence."
Researchers had more trouble determining the effect of respirators such as N95s — which the CDC only recommended two years into the pandemic — versus surgical masks. Five studies (four healthcare and one household), with a total of 16,000 participants, found a risk ratio of 0.70 for "clinical respiratory illness" but deemed it "very low-certainty evidence," with a wide confidence interval. The RR was 0.82 for influenza-like illness, deemed "low-certainty" with a smaller confidence interval.
They were more confident in results for respirators versus surgical masks on lab-confirmed influenza: RR of 1.10 among the 8,400 participants in those trials, and no difference when the household trial was excluded.

Former White House COVID adviser Michael Osterholm tried to discredit one of the studies in the respiratory-surgical review, led by researchers at Canada's McMaster University, when it was published in December in the Annals of Internal Medicine.
An expert on personal protective equipment and regulatory compliance, who warned colleges nearly two years ago their mask mandates violated disability integration law, told Just the News she has reviewed many of the RCTs the Cochrane team studied.
Megan Mansell said she expects to keep seeing "unreasonable responses when a decent RCT is published." She cited her interactions with critics of the McMaster study, whose "primary complaint is that the individuals weren’t monitored for N95 compliance 24/7, which is both outside of the terms of safe wear for the apparatus and wholly unreasonable."
Mansell wrote a lengthy and somewhat technical essay last week explaining why even "a perfect rate of capture" by N95s still provides "plentiful enough potential exposure" for infection, based on "severity of illness, immune response of a given individual, and progress in the course of illness."
While the Department of Health and Human Services' fact sheet on N95s says they "can" filter particles under 0.3 microns, which can include SARS-CoV-2, Mansell said they aren't rated to capture matter below that threshold.
The sheet also warns N95s can't filter gases and vapors, which include aerosolized COVID, and N95 maker Honeywell sets the minimum at 0.3 microns as well, she said.
"More than 90% percent of exhaled particulates have been shown to fall under 0.3 µm," Mansell's essay says, citing a January study in Elsevier journal Environmental Research. Such small matter can stay aloft for "hours, even days, depending on air exchange rates within the given space," she wrote, citing a National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases research letter to the New England Journal of Medicine.
The claim that N95s actually filter better under that threshold depends on a misunderstanding of Brownian motion, which "only occurs when there is essentially no velocity," such as between breathing in and out, Mansell said.
 
damn really thought those experts who spent years studying this stuff woulda gotten one thing right. chalk another one up for people who didnt blindly fall into groupthink.
 
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Take this and suck on it maskers. Let the truth set you free. You all know who you are and you should reply and repent on this thread.


Researchers in "gold standard" collaboration struggle to find benefit from surgical over no masks, or N95 respirators over surgical. Findings buoy warnings by PPE expert that even "perfect rate of capture" by N95s can't stop COVID transmission.

By Greg Piper
Updated: January 31, 2023 - 11:12pm

An international research collaboration that reviewed several dozen rigorous studies of "physical interventions" against influenza and COVID-19 through last year failed to find even a modest effect on infection or illness rates from masks of all qualities.
Published in the peer-reviewed Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, run by the British evidence-based medicine charity Cochrane, the study raises new doubts about ongoing mask mandates and public health recommendations worldwide.
The CDC is still recommending masking in areas with "high" transmission levels — fewer than 4% of U.S. counties — as well as indoor masking to protect high-risk contacts in "medium" counties (27%).
Masks are still required in educational institutions in Democratic strongholds such as New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Washington and California, according to the Daily Mail. Boston Public Schools denied its "temporary masking protocol" in early January was a "mandate," following a public letter against the policy by student Enrique Abud Evereteze.
South Korea is still requiring masks on public transport and in medical facilities after dropping COVID mandates in most indoor settings, including gyms, Monday, Reuters reported.
The researchers for the Cochrane study are affiliated with a geographically disparate range of institutions in the U.K., Canada, Australia, Italy and Saudi Arabia. Half are affiliated with the Institute for Evidence-Based Healthcare at Australia's Bond University. The corresponding author is the University of Calgary's John Conly.
Unlisted author Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, gave a brief summary of the study population and findings on Twitter.

The team added 11 new randomized controlled trials and "cluster-RCTs," which randomize groups of subjects rather than individuals, to its prior review from November 2020, for a total of 78 studies. The additions included COVID pandemic trials: two from Mexico and one each from England, Norway, Denmark and Bangladesh, the latter two well known internationally.
The Danish study had trouble finding a major journal willing to publish its controversial findings that wearing surgical masks had no statistically significant effect on infection rates, even among those who claimed to wear them "exactly as instructed."
Mainstream media overlooked red flags in the Bangladeshi mask study, which found no effect for surgical masks under age 50 and a difference of only 20 infections between control and treatment groups among 342,000 adults.
Cochrane itself had a spat with Instagram in November 2021 over sharing purported COVID misinformation, even though the group does not accept "commercial or conflicted funding" and its funding partners include the U.S. National Institutes of Health and U.K. National Institute for Health and Care Research.

The updated Cochrane review included 10 cluster RCTs in the "community" and two with healthcare workers totalling about 290,000 participants, comparing the effect of surgical versus no masks.
They measured risk ratios, which below 1 means the intervention improved the outcome and above 1 worsened it. The closer to 1, the less effect it had.
In the community, mask-wearing "probably makes little to no difference" in either influenza-like or COVID-like illness (0.95) or "laboratory-confirmed" infections of either virus (1.01). While the confirmed-infections finding had a much wider confidence interval, the team called both these results "moderate-certainty evidence."
Researchers had more trouble determining the effect of respirators such as N95s — which the CDC only recommended two years into the pandemic — versus surgical masks. Five studies (four healthcare and one household), with a total of 16,000 participants, found a risk ratio of 0.70 for "clinical respiratory illness" but deemed it "very low-certainty evidence," with a wide confidence interval. The RR was 0.82 for influenza-like illness, deemed "low-certainty" with a smaller confidence interval.
They were more confident in results for respirators versus surgical masks on lab-confirmed influenza: RR of 1.10 among the 8,400 participants in those trials, and no difference when the household trial was excluded.

Former White House COVID adviser Michael Osterholm tried to discredit one of the studies in the respiratory-surgical review, led by researchers at Canada's McMaster University, when it was published in December in the Annals of Internal Medicine.
An expert on personal protective equipment and regulatory compliance, who warned colleges nearly two years ago their mask mandates violated disability integration law, told Just the News she has reviewed many of the RCTs the Cochrane team studied.
Megan Mansell said she expects to keep seeing "unreasonable responses when a decent RCT is published." She cited her interactions with critics of the McMaster study, whose "primary complaint is that the individuals weren’t monitored for N95 compliance 24/7, which is both outside of the terms of safe wear for the apparatus and wholly unreasonable."
Mansell wrote a lengthy and somewhat technical essay last week explaining why even "a perfect rate of capture" by N95s still provides "plentiful enough potential exposure" for infection, based on "severity of illness, immune response of a given individual, and progress in the course of illness."
While the Department of Health and Human Services' fact sheet on N95s says they "can" filter particles under 0.3 microns, which can include SARS-CoV-2, Mansell said they aren't rated to capture matter below that threshold.
The sheet also warns N95s can't filter gases and vapors, which include aerosolized COVID, and N95 maker Honeywell sets the minimum at 0.3 microns as well, she said.
"More than 90% percent of exhaled particulates have been shown to fall under 0.3 µm," Mansell's essay says, citing a January study in Elsevier journal Environmental Research. Such small matter can stay aloft for "hours, even days, depending on air exchange rates within the given space," she wrote, citing a National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases research letter to the New England Journal of Medicine.
The claim that N95s actually filter better under that threshold depends on a misunderstanding of Brownian motion, which "only occurs when there is essentially no velocity," such as between breathing in and out, Mansell said.

There have been plenty of other studies that have had completely different conclusions.

But, the next time you're lying in a hospital bed, getting ready to roll into surgery, tell your surgeon to remove his or her mask for the procedure.
 
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Mmmmm The mayo clinic seems to disagree:


and the NIH


and JAMA

 
Mmmmm The mayo clinic seems to disagree:


and the NIH


and JAMA

Your studies are inferior just like your opinions.
 
So when doctors/nurses wear masks in an operating room they are just grandstanding???
 
Your studies are inferior just like your opinions.
They aren't my studies. They were done by the Mayo Clinic, the National Institute of Health, and the Journal of the American Medical Association. Just 3 of the most prestigious journals/organizations in the country.

And here's YOUR report: This is the VERY FIRST SENTENCE under the heading Author's Conclusion

The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.

Jesus man... You aren't even trying anymore... Did you even read it or did you hear a "talking point" and just post it? This is ALMOST as good as you posting that antivax doctor visiting DC that had the website talking about Demon sex



.... ahh good times.
 
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They aren't my studies. They were done by the Mayo Clinic, the National Institute of Health, and the Journal of the American Medical Association. Just 3 of the most prestigious journals/organizations in the country.

And here's YOUR report: This is the VERY FIRST SENTENCE under the heading Author's Conclusion

The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.

Jesus man... You aren't even trying anymore... Did you even read it or did you hear a "talking point" and just post it? This is ALMOST as good as you posting that antivax doctor visiting DC that had the website talking about Demon sex



.... ahh good times.
This comprehensive gold standard study speaks for itself no matter what you whiny losers say.
 
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So when doctors/nurses wear masks in an operating room they are just grandstanding???
Nope but the reason masks are worn in the OR are for an entirely different reason than Covid. Of course, since the Covid crap the narrative has changed. I will let you figure out why masks were worn pre Covid. It's pretty obvious but it's going to take you some time to get past the Covid narrative to find the answer.
 
This comprehensive gold standard study speaks for itself no matter what you whiny losers say.
It surely does... Again, the author's FIRST CONCLUSION: The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.

Exactly the same as your thread last week stating that Biden had pulled his tax returns off the internet... You saw some talking point in justthenews, and you let the writer make a fool out of you AGAIN. Just because you WANT something to be true (I'm baffled as to WHY you would WANT the CDC, NIH, AMA, and other agencies to be intentionally lying to us... but you obviously want it so badly you can taste it) doesn't make it true.

Again, the author of the study you site states directly that it's hard to draw firm conclusions from this study but you come on here and tell us that masks don't help and that we should "suck on this and repent".
 
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It surely does... Again, the author's FIRST CONCLUSION: The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.

Exactly the same as your thread last week stating that Biden had pulled his tax returns off the internet... You saw some talking point in justthenews, and you let the writer make a fool out of you AGAIN. Just because you WANT something to be true (I'm baffled as to WHY you would WANT the CDC, NIH, AMA, and other agencies to be intentionally lying to us... but you obviously want it so badly you can taste it) doesn't make it true.

Again, the author of the study you site states directly that it's hard to draw firm conclusions from this study but you come on here and tell us that masks don't help and that we should "suck on this and repent".
GOLD STANDARD. THE BEST STUDY AND ITS CORRECT.
 
GOLD STANDARD. THE BEST STUDY AND ITS CORRECT.
Sure man... sure. Truthfully, I'm not able to evaluate studies like these b/c I don't have the virology background. I'd be willing to bet that neither do you... BUT when the author HIMSELF says that it's hard to draw firm conclusions and that's the VERY FIRST THING he says in his conclusions, I'm not sure how YOU think it's OK to draw your own firm conclusions...

Well actually I do. You have an opinion... In this case it's that masks don't help. And you'll ignore EVERY study that says they do and that every agency/person that does a study that supports this is just simply lying (no proof required... a la Trump) for a payday of some sort. AND that any study that supports your position is "Gold Standard".

Because the CDC is full of people that are lying to us right? The NIH is full of people who are lying to us right? Deep State, one and all. Mayo Clinic? Ditto. Johns Hopkins? Liars!!!! And the AMA/JAMA? What a rag!!

We get it...
 
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Sure man... sure. Truthfully, I'm not able to evaluate studies like these b/c I don't have the virology background. I'd be willing to bet that neither do you... BUT when the author HIMSELF says that it's hard to draw firm conclusions and that's the VERY FIRST THING he says in his conclusions, I'm not sure how YOU think it's OK to draw your own firm conclusions...

Well actually I do. You have an opinion... In this case it's that masks don't help. And you'll ignore EVERY study that says they do and that every agency/person that does a study that supports this is just simply lying (no proof required... a la Trump) for a payday of some sort. AND that any study that supports your position is "Gold Standard".

Because the CDC is full of people that are lying to us right? The NIH is full of people who are lying to us right? Deep State, one and all. Mayo Clinic? Ditto. Johns Hopkins? Liars!!!! And the AMA/JAMA? What a rag!!

We get it...
Not a Trump thread bro. LOL!
 
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