Dude, read what I said. Not sure where you got any of what your response is insinuating.
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“The supplemental represents an attempt by the foreign policy blob/deep state to stop President Trump from pursuing his desired policy, and if he does so anyways, to provide grounds to impeach him and undermine his administration. All Republicans should oppose its passage,” reads the memo by Vance's office.
The then-Democratic House majority impeached Trump in 2019 over the then-president's move to withhold funding slated for Ukraine and pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to launch investigations into Joe Biden, who defeated Trump in November 2020. The Senate acquitted Trump in early 2020.
https://www.politico.com/live-updat...n-aid-bill-could-get-trump-impeached-00140939
Wasn't meant for you I was responding to another post my bad
Wait you believe someone who references the “deep state”?
Man you’ve cracked the code. Well done.
I don’t trust any of those ****ers in DC, right or left.
None have our best interest in heart, they prove it every year.
Actually let me back track, I don’t care what they do to you guys in the US. Not my problem and I watch from here south of border but I also know the truth of what’s happening as opposed to what the US media is spreading.
That’s a pretty broad brush you have there. The majority of American's want more restricted gun laws. Perhaps you need to move?
The sheep will always feel they need protection because they've been brainwashed to not believe they can protect themselves.
The problem is he has done away with due process. El Salvador is as safe as it’s ever been, but his administration has acknowledged there are thousands of non-gang members that were swept up in the arrests that may not get a day in court for years. It’s a dictatorial approach, and it wouldn’t work in the USA. Too many activist lawyers and judges that use lawfare to take advantage of our system.
Or maybe just enforce the laws already on the books. 99.99% of gun owners are legal and law abiding. I shouldn’t be put through the wringer or added to a government database that would be abused simply because of terrible parents who ignore their children’s mental health, or let them run the streets all day and night.
Read what you just typed again and then try to find it in the constitution. The guns are for protection against those that attempt to take our freedoms away.
Maybe you should rethink about who should be looking for a new country.
People that want more goverment control kill me. We should be focused on taking control from them instead of giving them more.
holy shit guys, we figured it out. @Cabotiger really works for the FBI.
seriously though, how do you type a line like "I also know the truth of what’s happening as opposed to what the US media is spreading." and not feel like a complete douchebag?
We have already done that though.
We continue to put restrictions on law abiding citizens and making it harder and harder to defend oneself.
If these guys that were arrested already violated the laws on the books, what are new laws going to do?
If these recent shootings aren't committed with assault rifles, what will banning assault rifles do?
There has to be more to it than banning guns and making more laws.
It would be one thing if the Government was an honest actor. But the last 10 years have shown Washington is corrupt to the core.
We don’t need a border security bill. We need to enforce the laws that already exist.How about we work on controlling the border AND install some common sense gun laws like the rest of the civilized world? Surely the greatest country on the planet can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.
I'm not sure we actually have a border crisis, though. Republicans used to scream about it all the time, but then when the gentleman Republican from Oklahoma actually authored a bill with very stringent border security stipulations, the other Republicans refused to approve it because Daddy Trump said he didn't want Biden to get credit for it...which leads me to wonder if there really is a crisis since Republicans think it can wait several more months at the very least when they try to get Trump back in office. Meanwhile Republicans also voted down a recent mental health bill, so it kind of makes you wonder if they're just full of shit in general...
Republicans...
no mental health bills
no border security bills
no gun reform
Yeah, I think they're just full of shit.
i would have to actually read that bill they voted down before offering an opinionHow about we work on controlling the border AND install some common sense gun laws like the rest of the civilized world? Surely the greatest country on the planet can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.
I'm not sure we actually have a border crisis, though. Republicans used to scream about it all the time, but then when the gentleman Republican from Oklahoma actually authored a bill with very stringent border security stipulations, the other Republicans refused to approve it because Daddy Trump said he didn't want Biden to get credit for it...which leads me to wonder if there really is a crisis since Republicans think it can wait several more months at the very least when they try to get Trump back in office. Meanwhile Republicans also voted down a recent mental health bill, so it kind of makes you wonder if they're just full of shit in general...
Republicans...
no mental health bills
no border security bills
no gun reform
Yeah, I think they're just full of shit.
Ah so your source is a highly partisan memo from a maga extremist on what he argues might happen based on a slanted account of something that happened previously and nothing from the text of the actual bill. Got it.
What measures would you support to address mental health issues and parents letting their kids “run the streets all day and night?”
I wouldn't trust that polling at all though I am sure as younger generations come up in age that will start to change. If they want to do something about it, use the amendment process to the Constitution. For now, the right to bear arms is enshrined in the Constitution. For the record, I do not own nor have I ever owned a firearm.
And Australia is absolutely an authoritarian hell hole. There's ample evidence of that.
I support two parent households with involved parents that actively rasie their children. A two parent household isn't a fool proof way to make sure you're not raising a little piece of shit psycho, like Ethan Crumbley's parents, but studies have shown that there is a correlation between single parent households and adolescent crime.
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To answer the first research question, we examined in general whether a relation exists between growing up in a single-parent family and crime by adolescents. The assessment of the data showed that 34 studies reported a statistically significant positive relation between single-parent families and crime (i.e. growing up in a single-parent family is related to a higher level of crime by adolescents), while 14 studies showed no statistically significant relation. No studies reported a statistically significant negative relation.
We don't need more laws and regulations when the current ones are not enforced properly to begin with. And I'm not sure if you realize this, but more laws and regulations will mean jack shit to criminals, because *gasp* they don't care about the law.
I feel like I'm one of the few on the right who is open to some legislative improvements regarding guns. I don't have an issue with the licensure or registration requirements. I think you could classify ARs and similar guns the same as silencers and require a tax stamp, extended diligence and waiting periods. Plenty of room for improvement without really infringing on law-abiding gun owners.
That said, here is a real world example from me literally in the last week that would trip your laws and doesn't make practical sense.
I traveled to NC last week to go quail hunting. The plantation required O/U shotguns, 20 ga and under. I don't own one, so I borrowed one. That means:
- I was in possession of a firearm not registered to me
- My friend had his firearm in the possession of someone who it was not registered to
- My 2 friends and I all transported firearms across state lines (from SC to NC)
- I have shotguns/rifles registered to me.
- My sons go hunting with their grandfather using my guns.
- They are in violation of your laws.
I also think the insurance thing is pretty pointless. This is very different from auto insurance where claims are super common. Firearm injuries outside of criminal acts are very very rare. Also, you are personally liable for negligence, so if I screw up and injure someone with my gun, they can already sue me. I have a $5M umbrella policy in place that will take care of that. I don't need gun insurance.
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Also, the part the gun control people don't include is they cite all these mass shootings but most are gang shootings which no one seems to care about and none of those guns are legal. And if we make them illegal, they'll still obtain weapons via our porous southern border. There's no version of stopping this that doesn't include a return of law and order and recognition we have abandoned so many societal norms that we really need to be a functioning culture.
At the end of the day, in the types of shootings at the church last weekend and the parade this week, we have people who want to go and kill as many people as possible. They are that filled with evil. If they weren't filled with that kind of evil, they wouldn't do this. The easiest way forward is to start dealing with that. In the aftermath, it's always abundantly obvious these folks were in trouble.
Big government proponents don't think about how more laws and more regulations negatively affect the vast majority of law abiding citizens. Just pass a law, that'll fix it! It's a lazy approach.
God knows it's not.
America doesn't know God.
America's god is money and fame: all for ME!
That's overlooked by the people who look at raw gun crime stats and compare those to other developed countries. Something tells me Finland doesn't have the gang issues and inner city crime that we do. I imagine that if you normalized the data for demographics, it would tell an entirely different story.
What? I agreed its a good point. Do I have a serious answer on what to do? Nope. But I'm glad to have the discussion.
People will rip me for this but I would say it this way, people who got to church every week and have God and Jesus at the center of their lives probably have a near zero percent violent crime rate outside of domestic violence issues.
It wouldn't work in the US, too many bleeding hearts. I was referring to the leaders around Latin America with the exception of Mexico who's President has been a disaster and is currently in the process of removing powers from the Supreme Court, Governors, etc so he has a one party rule or in his case a one person ruler. It's gonna be an ugly election year here this summer and rife with corruption even worse than normal.
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Agreed. And, this is the thing lost in the emotional screeching that surrounds this debate. I’m on the right. I own multiple firearms. I’m professionally competent with firearms. Im also very open to reforming licensing and acquisition hurdles/requirements. Every person I hunt or shoot with feels the same way. To a man. There isn’t this massive tactical prepper movement that refuses to budge on firearms entirely. That is a myth. I’m sure those people exist. It’s not a large group. People will support reasonable legislation. That’s where it needs to start. An intelligently constructed bill would easily garner massive bipartisan support. So, where are they?
They lose me when they start talking punishment for things like crossing state lines with legally owned firearms, and having to have ADDM coverage or some shit if you own a firearm. That’s asinine.
I can bring up thousands of sources and you mouth breathers will pooh pooh it as partisan yet you'll quote every line of an article from a liberal journalist as fact and shove your head back up in your ass. Walking around blindly is no way to go through life.
What policy measures would you support to increase the number of two parent households with involved parents that actively raise their children?
No sane emotionally stable person would ever consider these kind of malicious, hideous crimes.
Still, one cannot discount the pure evil that is running amuck in our woke society.
Human trafficking?
Selling anyone or anything out for the alMIGHTy $$?
Like it or not, the mores that keep people on the 'straight and narrow' are not the Law of the Land.
Anywhere.
Churches, family units.
They may be separate, and that's fine.
But the guiding force for civilized people is a logical enforcement of the concept of right and wrong.
Not more restrictions on freedom.
Fix the core issue.
Alas, it may be far too late for that.
Still, one cannot discount the pure evil that is running amuck in our woke society.
Human trafficking?
Selling anyone or anything out for the alMIGHTy $$?
Like it or not, the mores that keep people on the 'straight and narrow' are not the Law of the Land.
Anywhere.
Churches, family units.
They may be separate, and that's fine.
But the guiding force for civilized people is a logical enforcement of the concept of right and wrong.
Not more restrictions on freedom.
Fix the core issue.
Alas, it may be far too late for that.
I think we could certainly work exceptions into the laws for immediate family members or some sort of documented loan out of firearms. To me the key would be that the registered owner of the gun should be held criminally responsible for anything that happens with their gun in the hands of someone else.
Issuing licenses/registrations at federal level would eliminate concerns travel across state lines.
The Insurance, in my mind, is more about protecting victims. Ensuring victims of gun accidents/irresponsibility have a way to receive damages makes sense to me, and provides a private check on high risk gun owners through premiums/deductibles and even refusal to insure specific types guns or gun owners. It also creates another legal check point that would allow states to immediately prosecute someone for illegal possession.
