Are you refuting what I'm saying or just looking for a random place to dump web page data on? Also, dude, I don't think those adjusted for inflation.
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Are you refuting what I'm saying or just looking for a random place to dump web page data on? Also, dude, I don't think those adjusted for inflation.
Healthcare and education were the areas I was referring to. Defense sure we need and should spare no expense. Social security is needed but obviously isn't working well and needs reform
I at least thought you could read. I was saying that Congress and Clinton STOLE from SS surplus to balance the budget and even the surplus. That's STEALING as in the crime. As had been done for decades by Democrats and Republicans alike. Is that more clear for you?
I don't do this Presidents and the economy crap. Tax policy helps create a climate for growth. It is either business friendly or overly robust in terms of too much taxation. Reagan's contribution was lowering taxes (working with Democrats who helped) and creating a climate for growth. From there, the American people took over. Clinton stayed out of the way and didn't get carried away with taxes while he was President. There was a huge amount of growth with the rise of the internet and he didn't screw it up. He let people work and didn't go crazy with spending. Part of this was his intelligence about the situation and part was because a Republican Congress held him in check.
And finally, you have your head in the sand. You're politically invested sir. You have one way you will see things. You are unwilling to see reality in any way, shape or form. You only see how you can exploit things to try and make your point. And when in doubt, you just don't read what's said and respond anyway. Try sticking with facts. They won't always lead you to places you will like but they will always serve you well.
Disagree. We can certainly spend less. It's 26% of our annual budget, as high as it was during the cold war.
Dude, please reframe from the name calling. My values are my values. And if you believe that everyone in the United States have equal opportunity, you my deluded friend, is the sheep.
Obama and a Republican Congress.
Nothing is black and white. This isn't good vs evil like so many make it out to be. Every President does a lot of good things and every President does a lot of things people won't agree with. That's how it's always been and how it'll always be. Getting up in arms like these are the end times is just counter productive; after all, every generation thinks it's the last.
Really?!? All this hyperbolic talk in this thread from conservatives about national debt and deficits and taking care of "the poor" being the cause of our debt and this is flat out said? You want to point to a reason for our debt, there you go.
I'm all about being numero uno, don't get me wrong. But when our defense spending vs the next 7 top spending nations combined looks like this...maybe we can scale back a smidge and trim that debt.
Oh yes you have me. So clever... This tells anyone reading you have nothing so you turn to childish insults...as always.
Really?!? All this hyperbolic talk in this thread from conservatives about national debt and deficits and taking care of "the poor" being the cause of our debt and this is flat out said? You want to point to a reason for our debt, there you go.
I'm all about being numero uno, don't get me wrong. But when our defense spending vs the next 7 top spending nations combined looks like this...maybe we can scale back a smidge and trim that debt.
This is the problem with liberals. I said spare no expense meaning necessary expense. A proper president or any leader doesn't view it as a blank check. He assesses the investment of whatever options are available and will make the appropriate choice.
I agree. It is unimaginable that the POTUS is not attending the funeral for a Supreme Court Justice.
spare no expense (or no expense spared)
phrase of spare
- 1.
pay any amount in order to achieve something.
President George W. Bush, who routinely allowed journalists to accompany him on golf outings early in his presidency, told Politico in May 2008 that he decided to give up the game in August 2003 after a bomb attack on the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad that killed a top U.N. official.
“I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander-in-chief playing golf,” Bush said. “I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can with them.”
“And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong message,” Bush said.
As of 8-14-2015 Obama had played 244 rounds vs GW's 24 rounds in his entire 8 years
There's no way to know how much actual vacation time either president was able to take. I don't believe a POTUS ever really stops working all together. I think people just have a tougher time with the image of a president playing golf. After all, Bush more than made up for those missing golf outings by heading to the Texas ranch. But those that are against Obama playing golf probably tend to think Bush was talking walks, "meditating" over world problems.
CBS White House reporter Mark Knoller is the unofficial but widely trusted chronicler of data on presidential travels and other day-to-day White House goings-on, so we turned to his calculations.
On Aug. 8, 2014, Knoller tweeted that Obama had taken 19 vacations totaling 125 days so far while in office. Those numbers have risen a bit due to the Martha’s Vineyard vacation, but that’s still many fewer than George W. Bush’s 65 combined trips to his Texas ranch and his parents’ home in Kennebunkport, Maine, which totaled 407 days at the same point in his presidency.
Not included in this data are trips to the Camp David presidential retreat in western Maryland, which Knoller doesn’t count as "vacation." Knoller told Yahoo! News that, through Aug. 12, 2014, Obama had made 33 visits to Camp David for all or part of 84 days, while Bush had been there 108 times for all or part of 341 days.
As we’ve noted previously, the unique security concerns for the president mean that he and his family can’t simply head out on the road and plop down at a Motel 6. And all presidents have to be accessible for consultation and decision-making even if they’re on vacation. As Knoller tweeted, a president "is never really on ‘vacation.’ The job and responsibilities go with him wherever he is." (Link)
By Knoller’s count, Obama played 186 rounds of golf during his presidency through Aug. 12, according to Yahoo! News. That number that has gone up a bit since then due to additional rounds on Martha’s Vineyard.
Bush played many fewer rounds as president -- 24, mainly because he stopped in 2003, since it sent the wrong message when troops were fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.
As for which president has played the most rounds of golf, it’s definitely not Obama. For instance, Dwight Eisenhower played almost 800 rounds during his eight-year presidency, according to a study of his daily itinerary cited in Golf Digest -- many times what Obama has played.
And Eisenhower is not even the No. 1 golf-playing president. Woodrow Wilson played nearly 1,200 rounds during his two terms. Wilson "played more rounds of golf than any president in history," said Wilson’s biographer, A. Scott Berg.
In fact, Wilson 2nd term campaign slogan was "Fore more years!"
Actually you're misquoting yourself and attempting to scale back your own comments. Spare no expense means exactly what it says. From the Oxford English Dictionary:
Pay any amount of money in order to achieve something:
There is an element of our population that would like the government to support them and they're willing to vote that desire. There's another element of our population that would like to get rich off government contracts and they're willing to fund political interest groups to make sure that happens. If you carve out social security, government pensions, and other retirement benefits, how do you think that compares to defense spending?
and who said George Bush was a great president? Did you vote for him; if not, why are you quoting him?
Considering I was five, I did not. However when people start talking about Reagan like he was the best thing to ever happen to this country, we need to actually look at the facts.
And I wasn't aware there was an Internet rule about only being able to quote people that you voted for. Thanks for the lesson.
If I do not love oysters, am I allowed to quote you?
and the facts are he was the best thing to ever happen to this country. I was around then and he pulled this country out of a major recession.
Adjusting for inflation, we're spending about what we did for most of the Vietnam war. More than average for the war period, but less than the peak. We're also spending more than we did during the Reagan buildup. If we take into account the military related portion of our debt interest payments, we're at a huge historic high, but that's not really apples to apples since the current administration had little to do with debt accumulated over the last 50 years.
Nice try, not even close. the growth rate under Reagan was much higher than Obama's.
Well I thank God, John 3:16, that you are not my God! Furthermore, Mark 11:23-24 As I will Pray, Love & Believe God for the best for you & your family!
For clarity my comment of "F everyone who disagrees" was intended to say " that is how O acts" as part of his being an ideologue.
Sadly, this probably represents way too many people in this thread.
I guess im an idiot then. I made my money without a college degree and now im a full time student and its hard as hell for a guy in their 40s. I pay my way and there is no reason anyone cant do what I do or did. Laziness, stupidity equals racism and and the lack of opportunity. The choice is yours pal
198 days until football season.....
Lord help us all get there.
Lord help us all get there.
I read through them. Basically, you ignore the issue of wealth maximization vs healthcare and basic services for the poor. That is inconvenient I guess. You hang your hat on the democrats being evil because their views - you believe - are not consistent with the bible. My response to that is that there is a fair degree of debate among biblical scholars on if the bible does truly condemn homosexuality. For just of sake of argument, let's say it does. However, the authors then did not know as much about homosexuality as we do today. That it is not a choice....it is who you are. So, like many things in the bible, a current worldview is helpful as most people do not believe in the literal truth of the bible anyway (earth being 6,000 years as one example and universe created in seven days as another). You also hang your hat on the dems being evil because they support the right to choose. I am not gonna sit here and say that abortion is morally correct. It is horrible. However, is it worse than killing a poor person due to lack of primary health care benefits? Personally I wish there were no abortions and I wish
How would you deal with healtcare? Eliminate it for poor people ? Cut the amount doctors are paid for services? Cut the amount the drug companies are reimbursed? None of those are viable options and, frankly, I am not sure we would want any of those options. Short of that, how can healthcare be fixed? If we eliminated Obamacare it just sends these folks back to the ER for basic services and it causes the amount of unpaid hospital bills that are written off due to no insurance to skyrocket, which, in the end still costs every single one of us with higher premiums on the ones that have health insurance. People fuss about health care but no one has a solution that is morally responsible and fiscally prudent.
Social Security - Clearly we need to increase the age given the amount of time people are living. I also think we need to reduce payments for the wealthy or stop exempting their earnings beyond $110K or whatever the cap is now.
Eliminating the Dept of ed will have a negligible impact on the budget. The role of the feds needs to go down in education for sure. I personally think there is waste in education spending but I am not sure it has a noticeable impact on the overall federal budget.
Sadly, this probably represents way too many people in this thread.
That is one stupid woman.
I do love oysters and do not care if you do. On another note, everybody can point out what someone else said about someone in their same party. I do not ever put out "Hillary Clinton said this about Barack Obama" when she was blasting him in 2008; I don't agree with Hillary Clinton on most issues so why would I be quoting her as if what she said is gospel. You quoting George Bush when you would have never voted for him is the same type of thing. if you are going to quote him as if he is speaking the gospel, then let's get all of his quotes out of where he took exception to Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.
