OT: Gun Control Changes

[nytigerfan]

Don't bother. These people don't really matter. They're not open minded, and there will always be more men like me and you than these little weirdos running around trying to get rid of guns.

If it makes you feel any better, these types are always the first to die anytime a country is invaded.

Trump is coming for your guns sparky. Can you pls share your name and address so I can forward to the ATF?

 

[hopefultiger13]

I bet statistics would also show that arming people with a bunch of bathtubs is very dangerous since almost every home in America has one. This includes slips/ falls/ drownings/ what have you. This is a plain fact.

I suggest arming homes with buckets of water instead and training families on how to scoop and dump water over themselves so as to not cause any harm.

Did the premise of mine make as much sense as yours? The problem is not guns just like it isn’t bathtubs.

No your premise makes no sense at all. Since you start off with "I bet statistics would show", this means you have no statistics to show, yet you then state that this is a plain fact. It's not. You are guessing (although you may be right). Furthermore, I'd GUESS that there'd be little difference between bathtub related accidents and accidents using buckets of water that you scoop from somewhere and dump.

Furthermore, basic sanitation is more of a necessity than having a gun. You can live without a gun, but you are going to get sick if you don't bathe. Plus, it's JUST A BIT easier to kill a bunch of other people with a gun than with a bathtub. I'll agree that it's not the gun's fault, but a gun is a very handy tool when a deranged person decides to try and kill someone (probably nearly as good as a heavy truck).

My premise is that the more guns that are in schools, the greater the chance of accidents happening. According to the National Center for Educational Statistics, there are about 90,000 elementary schools operating in the United States, so figure a couple of hundred thousand when you throw in middle and high schools. So lets figure on about 10 armed teachers per school and you are talking over 2 MILLION hand guns in close proximity to kids on a daily basis. Accidents are going to happen (just like with your bathtubs). There are usually only a couple or 3 school shootings a year, sometimes less. Given the above, I feel pretty strongly that more kids would die per year from arming teachers than from keeping things like they are.

I'm no fan of gun control and I have guns in my house in spite of those FBI stats. However, I'm not some NRA freak either. Hell, you have to have a license to freaking be a barber or drive a car. Some basic skills wouldn't be unreasonable for gun ownership, nor would some basic limits on types of ammo allowed and weapon capacity.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Don't bother. These people don't really matter. They're not open minded, and there will always be more men like me and you than these little weirdos running around trying to get rid of guns.

If it makes you feel any better, these types are always the first to die anytime a country is invaded.

See my above post. Nowhere did I advocate for anyone's guns away. I own several myself and have zero problems hunting down delicious animals for food and enjoyment. However, putting guns in the hands of half trained teachers and expecting them to perform in combat is just plain stupid. And expressing concern over plans to do so is not weird, it's just plain common sense.

 

[DI Tiger]

"These people don't really matter. They're not open minded,"

CU Tiger actual strikes me as a very open minded person......

 

[CU Alumnus]

Republicans need to understand that opposing measures like #1, #2b and #4 in my OP will lose them elections. The vast majority of people think those are common sense. Pretty easy to paint a a Republican candidate as a right wing gun nut if he supports sales of ARs to 18 year old kids.

Good news is the members of TI generally agree with those items. #3 is rightly controversial. Would love to see a Republican congress and Republican president act quickly to enact #1, some version of #2, #4 and also address mental health issues. Much needed reform and would also help the party in midterm elections. We have the opportunity to become the party of common sense gun reform.

Many gun owners are not opposed to eliminating bump stocks, or even limiting ARs in theory. But what they ARE afraid of is the slippery slope. What will they want to ban next?

That is why the NRA fights ALL gun control measures so hard.

It comes down to the fact that the people of this country do not trust their government.

Also take a class on insurgency, counter-insurgency, unconventional warfare and a history of every war since 1765.

Bro, I hope you're not repeating this stuff in public.

Not sure I want in this debate but fighting a war against an armed populace in territory that they are familiar with, and you are not, is a recipe for disaster. Vietnam is one example. It tends to neutralize a lot of the toys.

I didn't know that churches, outdoor concerts, and public places were gun free zones.

In SC, Churches are without permission from a higher-up at the facility. At least in theory.

The rest are kinda situation-dependent and up to the individual area I think.

i can’t imagine how chaotic an active shooter situation would be if teachers had guns. How does law enforcement know who to shoot?

Well if the CWP program works the way it is meant to, the would-be schools shooter will think twice about it when he realizes he could get dead.

But there are other ways to limit the chaos. I wouldn't want an armed teacher running around hunting the shooter. And once again - I only support allowing the teachers to be armed. Not forcing them to be. And if they are armed there must be strict rules regarding the weapon's storage.

My wife works at a high school in the Upstate. She has a CWP but is not allowed to bring it into the school. The principle is a Marine, (once a Marine always a Marine). There are three former military, ROTC instructors at this school. While most teachers would not want to carry themselves, there are plenty, 4-5 at least, that would be more than willing to receive training, develop a professional defense protocol, etc to protect kids.

Do schools have the exemption where they can allow someone to carry on the campus? Churches and some businesses do but I am not sure about government establishments such as schools.

Waiting period needs to be increased to week or weeks (not days) with thorough background check. That would include examining social media profile of the prospective buyer (most companies do this now before making hires).

That would be ridiculously expensive and probably ineffective.

Actually “state of the art” weapons in those days were NOT designed or built for the military nor were they even USED by the regular military. The rifled musket was a civilian invention and riflemen in that time were civilians in military service..predominantly the militias.

And those riflemen waged hell on the British. The Brits were used to fox hunting - but not being the fox.

Shotguns are a much better self defense option than a pistol anyway.

Depends on the situation. But in general - yes.

I am smart enough to know that I am not going to change the mind of any of the other message board posters about this shit. Everyone has their own bias and beliefs, and no matter how much evidence is presented to the contrary, nobody will ever admit they are wrong about something. I have no other "cause" other than to expose hypocrisy.

Just keep posting. I don't read the posts but I do like looking at your sig.

And yes - I know who that is.

And HTF did this wind up here?

Don't think he was being serious.

If he was, then I know who should be mental evaluation #1......

 

[orangelvis]

Many gun owners are not opposed to eliminating bump stocks, or even limiting ARs in theory. But what they ARE afraid of is the slippery slope. What will they want to ban next?

That is why the NRA fights ALL gun control measures so hard.

It comes down to the fact that the people of this country do not trust their government.



Not sure I want in this debate but fighting a war against an armed populace in territory that they are familiar with, and you are not, is a recipe for disaster. Vietnam is one example. It tends to neutralize a lot of the toys.



In SC, Churches are without permission from a higher-up at the facility. At least in theory.


The rest are kinda situation-dependent and up to the individual area I think.



Well if the CWP program works the way it is meant to, the would-be schools shooter will think twice about it when he realizes he could get dead.

But there are other ways to limit the chaos. I wouldn't want an armed teacher running around hunting the shooter. And once again - I only support allowing the teachers to be armed. Not forcing them to be. And if they are armed there must be strict rules regarding the weapon's storage.



Do schools have the exemption where they can allow someone to carry on the campus? Churches and some businesses do but I am not sure about government establishments such as schools.



That would be ridiculously expensive and probably ineffective.



And those riflemen waged hell on the British. The Brits were used to fox hunting - but not being the fox.



Depends on the situation. But in general - yes.



Just keep posting. I don't read the posts but I do like looking at your sig.

And yes - I know who that is.

And HTF did this wind up here?



If he was, then I know who should be mental evaluation #1......

As for my post, I know there is a school district in Texas where some of the teachers are armed. The sheriff of the county sanctioned it. Can't remember the name, but has been this way for a few years now.

 

[Grumplin]

As for my post, I know there is a school district in Texas where some of the teachers are armed. The sheriff of the county sanctioned it. Can't remember the name, but has been this way for a few years now.

I think there are even more school districts in TX that allow this. I say let them try it out. Other states can have bans on ARs and the like, gun free school zones, etc. (CT, NY). Then we will have data to determine the most effective system.

 

[DI Tiger]

That would be ridiculously expensive and probably ineffective.

There should be a fee attached to every gun purchase to pay for the background check, just like there is a fee that is part of every airline ticket fare that pays for TSA screening. Longer waiting period with enhanced background screening would not be 100% effective, but it would keep guns from being purchased legally by many disturbed individuals.