OT: Looks like my kids are going to private school
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Actually what ticks me off is this isn't LAW, it's blackmail.
As I mentioned I know that the private/charter schools in Charleston/ along the coast (ones that pop in my head: Academic Magnet, Porter Gaud, Bishop England, and more). The biggest indicator for a child's success is their socio-economic status and family life. In other words private schools, most often, are full of kids who's parents were educated and successful and have the means to provide a stable home, with food and proper healthcare while encouraging the student to take education seriously. The success allows them pay for elite schools, which sometimes may offer scholarships but is not the norm. In other words private schools primarily only teach kids who are already set up to be successful.
Public schools do not have this luxury and often times many of their kids are from single parent homes and/or in low income areas. Here drugs and gangs are as common or more so than a hug from a parent much less a meaningful conversation about school followed by help with homework, a hot meal, and a goodnight story.
Public and Private schools are apples and oranges. I don't have a problem with them but the majority of the population has no choice but public school and the opportunities at the better 4 and 5A in the state are better then the majority of private schools. Yes the top 10 private schools in the state are very good institutions but still don't offer as many things as the bigger public schools. I will add that the SAT score is misguided due to the fact that the SAT scores from the top 50 kids in a 4A/5A class are on average with what you see as the average score at the private schools. Most private schools don't have more than 50 kids in a grade level, or not many more. Also, usually the next 50 kids in that 4A/5A class are still high enough to get into many colleges. Most private schools can't provide the same number of AP class offerings, don't have as many clubs, don't have as many foreign language options, most don't have the opportunity to learn skills or take health classes, or engineering classes, etc.
This is also the sinister side I hate. I can't believe he would threaten funding to already grossly underfunded public schools just because they won't accommodate transgender people with bathroom accessibility the way he (Obama) wants.
I consider myself a fairly understanding guy. I share many socially liberal ideals. I believe in marriage equality, I believe in a woman right to choose, I believe in a national registry for firearms and mandatory background checks, I acknowledge the existence of "White Privilege", and I acknowledge that our current immigration policy is a joke and needs to include a path to citizenship through more easily available work visas........ but ....... I'll never understand this gender identity BS.
I don't understand how you can see gender identity as BS but not pro-choice?
again, I think folks should understand that if a private school accepts or uses ANY federal funds (like for lunches, or scholarships or even state subsidies that are connected to federal funds) they will NOT be exempt from this policy.
there are a very few true 'private' schools and most of them are religious in nature.
there are a very few true 'private' schools and most of them are religious in nature.
Because I'm a man, and who am I to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body? Do I like the idea of abortion? NO of course not, but again ... I'm a man
It is a public charter school, I believe. In any case it does not draw geographically but rather has an applicant pool based on all of Charleston county and acceptance is based off of grades. You can't just go to Academic Magnet.
Yeah, they are a lot more emotional on this than I am or my wife is. This is my wife's sister. She's a heck of a teacher though and their kids are pretty sharp. The same nephew is a junior now and based on his first SAT score Clemson sent him a letter that he has been provisionally accepted. That was his first attempt at the SAT and given his grades right now. If he keeps it up, he will be a shoe in. He's also applying to Stanford and many other places, so their family is in pretty good shape since the other two seem to be just as sharp, but they felt pretty strongly about that issue.
Also, this was around the time that the kid lit himself on fire in the parking lot as well, so there were other factors. A lot of pressures come with going to that school despite it being an excellent institution that can open a lot of doors.
True, I understand that a little better but she didn't get there by herself even if it is often times her sole burden to bare if they father is absent. However, I would rather see funds directed at helping single mothers rather than abortion. I think that anytime the right to life trumps the right to convenience and I don't think it should just be up to women to decide. There is too much evidence that points to when life begins for ME to believe that it is EVER ok for ANYONE to take the life of a child. What I mean by evidence to when life begins is that the "fetus" is alive no matter what you call it and it will always come out of a human as a human. There is also evidence that the "fetus" retracts from pain when abortions are legal. The heartbeat can also be detected by 8 weeks and sometimes sooner. Nevertheless, this is an altogether different issue and don't want to hijack the thread so that is all I will say about it.
I meant in the sense of the reactionary "the government/politics are changing, I'm leaving" statements but thanks. Even still, that articles references a study which states 1/3 of Americans and over half of millennials would CONSIDER leaving. It almost reinforces my point that people will say they're going to leave just like they say they'll put their kids in private school or quit their job/they're done with public school education and/or politics but when it comes down to it, it's merely posturing and a cute little fantasy.
This is true but I think this generation grossly over-exaggerates "tyranny". Also, the transgender crowd used to be considered mentally ill not a minority group. Since most of the argument is over the biology vs. identity part then I would tend to agree that there is a level of mental misfire. I don't see a huge difference between "I'm a woman in a man's body", "an animal in a man's body", and "the person in my body told me to attack that other person".
Ok, there is some hyberbole and exaggeration on my part there but the point is that the transgender community is not being disenfranchised at all. They can vote and basically do whatever, just use a private bathroom in a SCHOOL. I don't care about public facilities, those can be done however, and people can just pee at home if they don't like it.
This isn't even really about LGBT people. This is about the monsters we are enabling in the process... See link!
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/police-man-choked-8-year-old-girl-in-south-loop-store-bathroom/
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/police-man-choked-8-year-old-girl-in-south-loop-store-bathroom/
Right. But you don't have to pay tuition like a Porter. Porter is more expensive than Clemson or Carolina.
But, Magnet gets to draw from the top test scores from applicants across the county. They also get a lot of their students from Buist, the public elementary school with the same premise. Private schools don't really get to do that except if the parents can afford it or the school offers scholarships.
And, if you want to lump it into the private schools, so be it. They produce the top HS grads in the state. My neighbor's child is there, said the backup school for most is Clemson with a full ride.
True but it is a tad ironic that this whole entire country was founded on people leaving a country that they didn't agree with the policies of. Maybe that is why groups of people are so inclined to threaten it again.
I agree partially, the point I am making is that it doesn't have the problems that most public schools do. In fact, I think schools like Academic Magnet exacerbate the problem for the public schools in the district and yet there is still value there. Pros and Cons.
The thing that makes many private schools successful versus normal public schools is low-achieving kids come from low-income homes and socio-economic status is the greatest predictor of educational achievement which explains why schools like Porter Gaud do well. Also, if you don't achieve at those schools they run you off.
Ultimately Academic Magnet draws from an elite crowd based solely off of prior academic achievement. Private schools draw from an elite crowd based off of financial achievement which typically coincides with academic achievement.
I can see that. I recently met a nurse who was telling me how she went to Magnet - about 10 years ago - and quit because the commute was too much. I'm like, what!!!?? Seemed like she came from a poorer section of North Chuck.
When I hear homeschool, though, I think of some of the people who have like 5 kids from ages 1-10 where the mother only finished high school herself or graduated with a nothing degree from some nothing college, they are mostly religious fundamentalists,at least one child has special needs, and every time I pass by their home the kids are playing in the yard (like at 10am, 1pm).
Yeah, honestly if it were allowed, I would pay her to teach my kids. They get their lessons done within 3-5 hours and have a lot more free time. I do worry about the social aspects as well as sports, which seems to have gotten a lot better around here. She is definitely the exception to the rule that you mentioned. However, it's not abnormal for the kids to have a lot of free time given they can get through lessons relatively quickly for obvious reasons.
yeah it's never been illegal for them anyways. Not sure what the big deal is? They've always been able to use the bathroom of their choice. Nobody's ever known any different.. or this what's it's really about?
I don't know a ton about the differences between the quality of education between public and private schools because I grew up in an area where nearly all of the public schools were outstanding and so not many kids went to private school. That being said, I guarantee there is a huge correlation =/ causation issue here. I think coming from a wealthy family (or at least not a poor family) is the biggest driving force behind the discrepancy you're citing.
High school guy that figures out how to get in a girls locker room freely will end up like this.....
Well, you could say that about the public schools as well. The more affluent area, the better the public school. Or, look at the scores from public schools and compare them to the percentage of students receiving free lunches. The schools with the higher percentages of free lunches generally have the lower test scores & graduation rates.
And, all counties should have an academic magnet option. If crappy school in Anderson County has a few gems, get them out and into a better school & atmosphere.
It's never been about bathrooms. That has never been the point of why the Charlotte city council decided to push this when there was no reason to do it. It's politically motivated from start to finish and the LGBT community wanted nothing less than any excuse to get attention on their wants...even if it involves blatantly discriminating against non-LGBT citizens in the process. Just call it something that sells instead....something fabricated with the word "hate" in it is a popular choice. Why bother trying to accommodate everyone when the opportunity exists to ram your beliefs down everyone's throats.
Exactly. All for less than half of 1%. Im seriously hoping this country splits in half and lets the weirdos form their own country. It's getting to the point where we are so divided, and that's ok. That's not a bad thing. Let them be who they want, and let us go be who we want.
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Always has been and will be right and wrong.
That's true about the 1st part. However, I disagree about adding an academic magnet everywhere. If you do that you will slowly kill that other school. The good students will gravitate to the magnet and the other school loses its best causing lower scores and slowly bringing down the school. Good teachers will leave to avoid the intensified struggle, less qualified admin will be put in place and over several years the process will worsen. I only mean that this will happen in medium to small districts. Greenville might be the only other district that would benefit from this.
So? You're going to punish a child (or the top academic children) for being in a bad district or shitty school? Good teachers can't leave? Talk about letting the government dictate your primary years, or those that choose to teach. Sorry Johnny, you have to stay in shitty school because your parents are poor and the school needs your test scores. Stay away from drugs....
Because competition totally drives mediocrity.
You aren't talking about one child, you are talking about chopping the top off of a school. What happens to a community that has bad schools that get worse instead of better, 20 years down the road? If a student wants to leave then their family can try to move to a better place. What has worked is adding good magnets at lower schools to draw high achievers there to help heal the school. Teachers can go wherever they want but creating a school that is going to hurt another is going to artificially flush teachers away. There is more going on here than just the school. I believe in fair economics and good competition but not in a public school when generations of children's lives are at stake. I went to a public school that often got a bad rap but the top of the class went to places like furman, Duke, Vanderbilt and Clemson. There were bad students but th school did well with its diversity and had there been a public charter aimed at taking the top 100-200 kids from that school it would have become a terrible school in no less than 10 years. I'll add that it was one of the bigger schools in the state and there weren't an abundance of high schools to pull from so it would have been the lone school to be siphoned from.
It's easy for those of us without our own personal gender identity questions to minimize the issue. Unisex facilities seem to make sense for the interim. I can't imagine how challenging it would be to parent a child experiencing serious personal gender questions. I'm confident that like many societal hangups related to sex, most will laugh about it years from now as ever being an issue. It's not a comfortable topic. Lol. As for what MLK might think, I believe he would adapt and maintain the idea that as long as any of us are oppressed, discriminated against, we all still suffer.
Your first sentence that I replied to was this:
Most public schools are going to offer better education overall than private schools.
We've gotten off track a little bit. Your points above help explain some of the reasons why private schools outperform public schools, but there is still no evidence that a child will receive an inferior education at a private school in "most" cases.
In fact, I would argue that the more selective population of private schools allows more productive time due to fewer behavior issues, fewer distractions, not having to teach "down" to the lowest common denominator, etc.
I completely agree that socio-economic status is a leading indicator of academic achievement. I just disagree that increasing the density of those prone to high achievement somehow produces an inferior education.
Also the drug use by the rich kids in private high schools is pretty high (pun intended).
If we make laws to ban people from entering bathrooms, then only monsters will illegally enter bathrooms.
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The best advertisement for school choice in this whole public/private debate is to simply look at the product: the kids themselves. I live in Sumter so my in depth exposure to private schools is limited to Wilson Hall, LMA, and Thomas Sumter. When you compare "apples to apples," i.e. kids from the same socio-economic status, what strikes me is that by and large the kids all go off to the same colleges. Most to SC or Clemson, a few to a Furman/Citadel/CoC/Wofford, and even fewer out of state.
If I saw a large percentage of one group going off to the Harvards, Stanfords, Duke's, and Princeton's of the world then I'd say there might be something there. But I don't see that difference. In fact I had a good buddy sent his daughter to Ashley Hall for K-12, spent 15K+ a year, all to send her off to CoC!
Now I realize not every kid is alike and there are other reasons for going public or private, but if there's no difference in outcome, from an academic standpoint at least you might as well take the tuition you're spending on private school and burn it.
The best advertisement for school choice in this whole public/private debate is to simply look at the product: the kids themselves. I live in Sumter so my in depth exposure to private schools is limited to Wilson Hall, LMA, and Thomas Sumter. When you compare "apples to apples," i.e. kids from the same socio-economic status, what strikes me is that by and large the kids all go off to the same colleges. Most to SC or Clemson, a few to a Furman/Citadel/CoC/Wofford, and even fewer out of state.
If I saw a large percentage of one group going off to the Harvards, Stanfords, Duke's, and Princeton's of the world then I'd say there might be something there. But I don't see that difference. In fact I had a good buddy sent his daughter to Ashley Hall for K-12, spent 15K+ a year, all to send her off to CoC!
Now I realize not every kid is alike and there are other reasons for going public or private, but if there's no difference in outcome, from an academic standpoint at least you might as well take the tuition you're spending on private school and burn it.
They weren't banned before all this ridiculousness. All we've done is to open the door. I am sorry you don't see it that way.
I agree it's ridiculous. You were ok with them not being banned from a bathroom. But, you're totally against allowing them. Got it.
So a 46 year old male school employee can walk into the female restroom where 16 year old girls are. He can expose himself and then threaten a lawsuit if he gets fired. The ultimate circular reference. Great move obama.
I have friends who choose to send to AH or Porter or Christ in Greenville, which is great. My wife is in education and has taught at your average public school and at Christ. She went to AH. Teaching is MUCH easier at private schools. No test scores you are judged by. No strict standards to follow. You can just do whatever you want to do for the most part, and you can still use textbooks. She loves that aspect.
However, she believes because of the pressure teachers face at public schools, at the elementary and middle level, public school students ultimately receive better instruction overall. Teaching (at the public level) is now insane and my wife would never recommend any female getting into it unless that's just seriously the only thing you feel like you should do with your life.
Nearly all middle schools track now to some degree so the behavior issues aren't typically a major deal for your better students.
Again, i am talking upstate public, Wando, or whatever... not orangeburg county where it's obvious. She just could not imagine paying that kind of money like her parents now that she's actually been in both systems.
I could see athletic advantages at private schools, more playing time for your avg white kid playing basketball, etc. Personal choice and I'm glad she's for public because all I could say would be yes ma'am either way on that decision.
