OT: Looks like my kids are going to private school

[Willence]

I agree it's ridiculous. You were ok with them not being banned from a bathroom. But, you're totally against allowing them. Got it.

This isn't going to make me many friends probably... but nature has its intended design. In our society, we should care for, love and respect those who don't follow those patterns. We do it with everything else. What we don't do is say that everyone is the same. We know that's not true. People who are transgender or gay have an entirely different set of issues to face than I do. They aren't like me but they also aren't less than me. They are just different but equal in the eyes of God and they should be in the eyes of our nation as well. What we shouldn't do is create all this gender confusion. Again, we can twist this all we want but nature has an intended design. It's why there's only one way you'll start a village, come back in 100 years and have a thriving population. That doesn't happen from same sex relationships. It doesn't happen with guys thinking they are girls.

So my postulation is why we can't we just care for each other, love each other, recognize and respect our differences without having to say every damn thing is just normal? It isn't normal and it isn't an intended design. There's no way around that. This particular issue is one where we don't need to do anything. Let people have their privacy and don't ban people from making a choice to use the women's room if they are a man in a dress. Who freaking cares? But to bring it out and force us to say OK, this is great and to make people who believe what I do change those beliefs is wrong. You may not care but it is still wrong...

 

[Cavitybacks]

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The best advertisement for school choice in this whole public/private debate is to simply look at the product: the kids themselves. I live in Sumter so my in depth exposure to private schools is limited to Wilson Hall, LMA, and Thomas Sumter. When you compare "apples to apples," i.e. kids from the same socio-economic status, what strikes me is that by and large the kids all go off to the same colleges. Most to SC or Clemson, a few to a Furman/Citadel/CoC/Wofford, and even fewer out of state.

If I saw a large percentage of one group going off to the Harvards, Stanfords, Duke's, and Princeton's of the world then I'd say there might be something there. But I don't see that difference. In fact I had a good buddy sent his daughter to Ashley Hall for K-12, spent 15K+ a year, all to send her off to CoC!

Now I realize not every kid is alike and there are other reasons for going public or private, but if there's no difference in outcome, from an academic standpoint at least you might as well take the tuition you're spending on private school and burn it.

I agree here. I finished at the top of my class at my public high school. Kudos to me. That didn't get me any further in life. My wife at private was near the top... who cares. Both went to Clemson and got the same degree as everyone else. I know everyone has a different story, but I would say for the most part that's pretty common.

2 kids would easily cost me $350,000 at private school. I could give them each 150K to use toward grad school, get started in life, whatever. I would never criticize someone for going the private route. I'm just not convinced it's financially worth it.

 

[lctiger831]

I'm a conservative but sending your private schools is a bad idea in most cases. Talk to teachers and administrators and you'll quickly find out how much better the education is at MOST (definitely not all) public schools.

One of the biggest things are that the teachers are much better in public (at least for Upstate SC). The private school teachers are oftentimes reject teachers tbat didn't get a public school job at first. This is all referring to elementary and middle too btw. Not sure on high school.

LOL reject teachers?

I agree partially, the point I am making is that it doesn't have the problems that most public schools do. In fact, I think schools like Academic Magnet exacerbate the problem for the public schools in the district and yet there is still value there. Pros and Cons.

The thing that makes many private schools successful versus normal public schools is low-achieving kids come from low-income homes and socio-economic status is the greatest predictor of educational achievement which explains why schools like Porter Gaud do well. Also, if you don't achieve at those schools they run you off.

Ultimately Academic Magnet draws from an elite crowd based solely off of prior academic achievement. Private schools draw from an elite crowd based off of financial achievement which typically coincides with academic achievement.

Last I checked, you have to take a test to get into Bishop England if you're coming straight out of public school. I have known a couple kids who did not place into Bishop England and they had no choice but to go to another school.

 

[agetz]

There is more to come...there are 6 sexual preferences now. Hetero, homo, bi, pan, a and auto. I wonder what may come of these. In all honesty though, most people regardless of preference are reasonable. Needing "validation" can be a sign of a personality disorder that often needs mental health treatment. Usually dialectic behavioral therapy is indicated. My worry is when untreated mental health issues influence politics from within and without.

 

[iceheart08]

There is more to come...there are 6 sexual preferences now. Hetero, homo, bi, pan, a and auto. I wonder what may come of these. In all honesty though, most people regardless of preference are reasonable. Needing "validation" can be a sign of a personality disorder that often needs mental health treatment. Usually dialectic behavioral therapy is indicated. My worry is when untreated mental health issues influence politics from within and without.

which one of your 6 sexual preferences would a transgender person prefer?

 

[Esso Porch]

I'm just excited to promote anorexia and bulimia. Hey if you feel fat on the inside then you go ahead and do what it takes to ensure you look skinny on the outside

 

[agetz]

which one of your 6 sexual preferences would a transgender person prefer?

Hey, I'm a teacher of this kind of stuff and am still learning. My understanding is that there is a difference between the gender that you identify with i.e. " I am a boy, girl or transgender" but I prefer one, a few or all of the 6 sexual preferences as sexual partners. This means " I can be transgender and go to the bathroom of the gender I prefer to have sex with" or the opposite. Not much different than the gay guy that has gone to the bathroom with a lot of males for many years or lesbian in a girls bathroom. I'm not here to judge but that's the academic side.

 

[andcam]

Was having this conversation this morning. Basically, I went to a very good public school but there is simply no way on earth I am sending my kids to public schools. And it isn't just the transgender thing. That is definitely the nail in the coffin for public school for me, but there are countless other issues that are becoming "ok" in order to not offend anyone in public schools. It isn't ok and it is disturbing. I will not expose children to that.

Private school applications and the amount of home schooled kids are about to soar. People are going to hit a threshold eventually and start pushing back on all this liberal BS.

The world is becoming more pluralistic. Does it make sense to shelter your kids and then see them join a very diverse world that they are intolerant of bc of their evangelical private school? The game of life is a lot more diverse than a private school where everybody has basically the same religious views as each other.

 

[Bubbachuck Gonchar]

Simple solution ...

Open to all genders since the 1950s

I like to think of myself as a problem solver

 

[andcam]

I really think I do hate Obama..

Court shot down yesterday his just by-passing Congress, you know the branch of the Federal Govt that actually makes the laws, on giving payments to insurance companies to cover their losses by being forced to offer insurance to those they didn't want to offer. Feds will appeal, but they should lose on matters of law. Im sure it will go all the way to Supreme Court in the near future.

For me, it is not necessarily his policies - most of which I don't agree with - but his blatant disregard for the way this nation's government was founded.

From his handling of immigration issues, some of the health insurance stuff, and some of the "social" policies - he just doesn't have the authority to institue his wishes. He lost in court on the immigration decree; he lost on the insurance company bailout; one can only hope he gets sued on this and the administration loses again. (not for the actual policy - but for the fact he is by-passing the arm of government who is charged with making the laws of the land)

There are laws and procedures even the President of the US has to follow. He and his administration just don't seem to grasp that.

You talking about the Do nothing congress? The one where the senate has had the least activity in the last forty years? Maybe if they would go in session and legislate Obama would not have to work around them.

 

[andcam]

Public school = parental malpractice

This is the most idiotic thing I have read on this board and that is saying something.

 

[cutigers532]

You aren't talking about one child, you are talking about chopping the top off of a school. What happens to a community that has bad schools that get worse instead of better, 20 years down the road? If a student wants to leave then their family can try to move to a better place. What has worked is adding good magnets at lower schools to draw high achievers there to help heal the school. Teachers can go wherever they want but creating a school that is going to hurt another is going to artificially flush teachers away. There is more going on here than just the school. I believe in fair economics and good competition but not in a public school when generations of children's lives are at stake. I went to a public school that often got a bad rap but the top of the class went to places like furman, Duke, Vanderbilt and Clemson. There were bad students but th school did well with its diversity and had there been a public charter aimed at taking the top 100-200 kids from that school it would have become a terrible school in no less than 10 years.

Your first sentence that I replied to was this:

Most public schools are going to offer better education overall than private schools.

We've gotten off track a little bit. Your points above help explain some of the reasons why private schools outperform public schools, but there is still no evidence that a child will receive an inferior education at a private school in "most" cases.

In fact, I would argue that the more selective population of private schools allows more productive time due to fewer behavior issues, fewer distractions, not having to teach "down" to the lowest common denominator, etc.

I completely agree that socio-economic status is a leading indicator of academic achievement. I just disagree that increasing the density of those prone to high achievement somehow produces an inferior education.

i know of some private schools that failed there students academically and counseling wise. Also I want to point out this isn't most, however I believe that often times the peripheral experiences are inferior. Many private schools are superior. In any case the availability of good public schools makes the decision to send your kids to expensive private schools a financially questionable one. I also understand that some are significantly better than their local peers even if they aren't significantly better than some of the better public schools in other areas.

 

[andcam]

When the president repeatedly disobeys the law he should be arrested for crimes of high treason, with mandatory jail time...

That would be true Free if he were breaking criminal law. Of all his executive orders how many have been overturned? I recall a few but certainly not a major amount. If what he is doing is illegal someone would have gotten a judge to overturn all of them. Btw, Executive orders are not limited to Obama. Every President uses them and more prevalently than the ones before him. Finally, an executive order would hardle constitute anything in criminal court. A civil action only.

 

[Earle36]

which one of your 6 sexual preferences would a transgender person prefer?

Shut up you freak....

 

[TigerDutch]

Shut up you freak....

Tell me again how Jesus has saved you and made you a better man.

 

[TigerDutch]

i know of some private schools that failed there students academically and counseling wise. Also I want to point out this isn't most, however I believe that often times the peripheral experiences are inferior. Many private schools are superior. In any case the availability of good public schools makes the decision to send your kids to expensive private schools a financially questionable one. I also understand that some are significantly better than their local peers even if they aren't significantly better than some of the better public schools in other areas.

Talk about hyperbole, stereotypical, and "do as I tell you" response.

Cash money you're some public school administrator.

Who cares if someone sends their kid to private school? Whether it is financially sound or not?

Yep, South Carolina's public school system has been top notch in not failing their students academically or counseling wise.

What are "peripheral experiences?"

 

[IcelandTiger]

The world is becoming more pluralistic. Does it make sense to shelter your kids and then see them join a very diverse world that they are intolerant of bc of their evangelical private school? The game of life is a lot more diverse than a private school where everybody has basically the same religious views as each other.

Why would someone be intolerant because they went to an evangelical private school?

Bigot

 

[TIGER63]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/u...s-to-school-restrooms.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1

So many other pressing issues to worry about, and this is what they focus on? MLK would be rolling over in his grave to hear Loretta Lynch comparing this to the civil rights struggle of his day. They are not even in the same galaxy.

wimp

 

[SlovenskoTiger]

This is what we are inviting when we throw off all restraints like Obama has done. It is asine, dangerous, and an affront to women everywhere:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/8-old-girl-choked-unconscious-222948574.html

 

[Clems0nTiger]

This is what we are inviting when we throw off all restraints like Obama has done. It is asine, dangerous, and an affront to women everywhere:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/8-old-girl-choked-unconscious-222948574.html

I wonder how long he was waiting for the "OK" from Obama.

 

[padtigers]

How ironic is it that the people passing these laws about public schools send their kids to private schools?
Kind of like people passing gun laws that have armed protection. I am not trying to get in the weeds with anyone on here. I just find things like this ironic.

 

[ColumbianTigerinATL]

Also, as many learned individuals are observing, it's the parents getting all twisted up regarding this issue, race, sexuality. If I were a parent I would definitely not want to remove my child from a good school over this.

 

[wmnesbitt]

I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Which bathroom should I use?

 

[cutigers532]

Talk about hyperbole, stereotypical, and "do as I tell you" response.

Cash money you're some public school administrator.

Who cares if someone sends their kid to private school? Whether it is financially sound or not?

Yep, South Carolina's public school system has been top notch in not failing their students academically or counseling wise.

What are "peripheral experiences?"

Cash money not a school admin. Don't know what was hyperbole, I knew tons of people from Wilson hall, porter gaud, Hammond, etc that went to USC or Clemson like me. They all were very good students but I got to Clemson for literally thousands and thousands cheaper. I also spent some time at private school (a 3A) when I was younger and I didnt have as good of experiences which I admit is probably preference. Most of the people in my grade when they were Seniors missed out on a lot of opportunities and most had to go to tech schools because their guidance counselor screwed up their class requirements and guess what- she had no qualifications to be in that role. Again that wouldn't happen at your elite schools.

Furthermore it is more than obvious that many SC public schools have failed and almost all of them are in places like the corridor of shame. This can largely be put on the SC DoE and their lack of response. So yes I'll admit their are flaws and admittedly if you go to private school you will probably be successful but those same people would probably be successful at public school.

There is a lot of conjecture but I'll sum up my point by saying this: I don't care if you send your kids to private school even if it would be a waste of money. To some it is a drop in the bucket and the status is important. I also know there are successful public and private schools.

Ultimately l PERSONALLY don't see the advantage in MOST cases. What I really have a problem with is the idea of schools like Academic Magnet being common across the state. It would LITERALLY ruin the rest of the schools. I am a conservative on most issues but the one thing I think we mostly get wrong is education. He reason being is that yes generally speaking I hate government over each, bureaucracies, and handouts but children age 1-18 are not in a position to help themselves. Adults without education aren't much better off either but then it is too late. My point is that if you teach a child then it becomes their responsibility to achieve. When they get to college they can go on to the most competitive academic institution they can find.

 

[rabooze]

I think you're going to struggle finding a private school that will teach your kids exactly the way you want. If this transgender thing is what separates good from bad in your mind, you may find that, but what about the next social issue you don't care for?

In your case, home schooling may be the only way.

Homeschooled kids are great socially (things no one has ever said)

 

[chassc]

My wife and I were both private schooled, K-12. Our kids are now, and will be as long as we can afford it. Our reasons are more along the lines of avoiding overcrowding, class sizes, a more reasonable start time in the morning, and a Christian foundation to the curriculum. But, every year, we have to reevaluate and look at our $$ situation. I'd say 90% of the parents of private school kids are sacrificing something so that they can stroke that check. It's all about priorities.

 

[jimbob1019]

Just make the trannys go outside to pee...

I mean, if you can't figure out what you are by a simply putting your hand in your pants, then you don't deserve the right to use the bathroom...

Go mark a tree...

 

[BHSRebels89]

Is this a real question? Have you ever known anyone with anorexia?

A young girl on a softball team I coached developed it a number of years back. She came from a great family. She is bright and a fine athlete. And she nearly starved herself to death. Fortunately, the parents had the wherewithal to send her to a center near Baltimore that literally saved her life. She's now 26 years old and healthy.

So you would just let people die rather than be treated for a life-threatening mental illness?

Gender identity is not life threatening.

I think his point was it is the same type of thought process, not consequences.

I think im fat but im really not to the rest of the world.

I think Im a girl but Im really not to the rest of the world.

 

[MillerHighLife21]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/u...s-to-school-restrooms.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1

So many other pressing issues to worry about, and this is what they focus on? MLK would be rolling over in his grave to hear Loretta Lynch comparing this to the civil rights struggle of his day. They are not even in the same galaxy.

Between No Child Left Behind, the ACLU and common core I just decided I didn't want my kids school environment to be constantly screwed up by politics. This is just one more thing.

 

[BHSRebels89]

The world is becoming more pluralistic. Does it make sense to shelter your kids and then see them join a very diverse world that they are intolerant of bc of their evangelical private school? The game of life is a lot more diverse than a private school where everybody has basically the same religious views as each other.

Kids that are raised "right" by good parents who teach them to care about people and show respect will be perfectly ready for the "game of life" at age 18 or whenever they become a member of said game. I hate to hear the word "sheltered" from people who dont agree with private school education. God never intended kids to be rustled up into groups of 25 or more and just figure out how to interact at such a young age. Our society came up with that. Kids aren't ready for that and especially at a very young, and more impressionable age, many would rather them be around people with similar moral, social, religious, and whatever other kind of beliefs. Is that really so bad or warped? 13 year olds or 15 year olds aren't ready for the "game of life". Heck, some 25 year olds aren't. Even ones that went to very diverse, large public schools. Why would we think primary aged kids are?

Its obviously none of my business but I would bet $20 that you dont have children.

 

[BHSRebels89]

Because I'm a man, and who am I to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body? Do I like the idea of abortion? NO of course not, but again ... I'm a man

Not to hijack but what about the kid? Where's his voice? If a woman is allowed to kill a baby, they should be able to do it until they're 18. Its not different because of where the kid resides.

 

[andcam]

Talk about hyperbole, stereotypical, and "do as I tell you" response.

Cash money you're some public school administrator.

Who cares if someone sends their kid to private school? Whether it is financially sound or not?

Yep, South Carolina's public school system has been top notch in not failing their students academically or counseling wise.

What are "peripheral experiences?"

Fact: At my local public high school 9 out of the top 15 students went to an elite college after high school this past year. The other six went to honors colleges at non elite schools. The top 50 students all had most of their College paid for by scholarships or financial aid. I am pretty sure the same situation is at most of the public schools in my county. Listen, just because your are big on private schools, it does not make public schools a terrible option for many. No, they don't say prayers every morning at the public school but they also don't bury their heads in the sand on big issues in society. If you want to build a wall and shield your child from the evil influences of society then that is fine. But public schools are doing a pretty good job in my county and it is one of the biggest counties in the state. As for the "Failing" part, much of that has to do with poverty more than it does with a teacher doing a terrible job. You place many of the impoverished and troubled children in a private school and they will still fail in many instances. Charter schools are revealing that fact more than ever.

 

[andcam]

Kids that are raised "right" by good parents who teach them to care about people and show respect will be perfectly ready for the "game of life" at age 18 or whenever they become a member of said game. I hate to hear the word "sheltered" from people who dont agree with private school education. God never intended kids to be rustled up into groups of 25 or more and just figure out how to interact at such a young age. Our society came up with that. Kids aren't ready for that and especially at a very young, and more impressionable age, many would rather them be around people with similar moral, social, religious, and whatever other kind of beliefs. Is that really so bad or warped? 13 year olds or 15 year olds aren't ready for the "game of life". Heck, some 25 year olds aren't. Even ones that went to very diverse, large public schools. Why would we think primary aged kids are?

Its obviously none of my business but I would bet $20 that you dont have children.

I have two children. One an honors student in 11th grade who has never been one ounce of trouble and another that is going into high school and has as much academic and social promise as any kid out there. There is no doubt that many (if not the large majority) kids will do great going into private school and then into a more diverse world. I know many that have succeeded. Personally I think it is preferable to surround children with diversity ASAP because the country is becoming more diverse every day.

 

[andcam]

There is more to come...there are 6 sexual preferences now. Hetero, homo, bi, pan, a and auto. I wonder what may come of these. In all honesty though, most people regardless of preference are reasonable. Needing "validation" can be a sign of a personality disorder that often needs mental health treatment. Usually dialectic behavioral therapy is indicated. My worry is when untreated mental health issues influence politics from within and without.

Just to be clear, are you saying that non heterosexuals suffer from some form of personality disorder that is akin to needing validation? If so, wouldn't they choose the heterosexual route since that is the most predominant by far? A regular, straight guy suffering from a need for validation chooses a path that will go against his biological preference and will likely also get him ostracized by many is a gigantic stretch.

 

[andcam]

Exactly. All for less than half of 1%. Im seriously hoping this country splits in half and lets the weirdos form their own country. It's getting to the point where we are so divided, and that's ok. That's not a bad thing. Let them be who they want, and let us go be who we want.

You could not be more wrong. The folks that thing like you are more like 33% and not 50%. In addition, it is trending to a more tolerant percentage faster than you can say "blink". Go talk to a bunch of College kids and see how many are far more tolerant than you are. Go to the DEEP SOUTH AND DO THIS! I did this very thing recently at a local Christian College and I was astounded. The PEW data shows that our young ones just don't think like us born before 1980 in terms of sexual orientation. It is becoming a different world and if the country were to split then your population would just wither and die away in about 30 years. Whether you like it or not, things are trending liberal. One other thing, if you do not believe me, follow the money. Companies place the largest priority on the young consumer, not a forty or fifty year old. There is a HUGE reason why just about every Fortune 500 company in NC has come out against the new state law. They are real good at math and have seen the polling data of how the young people feel. It is only gonna get more tolerant as the aged die off.

 

[TigerDutch]

Fact: At my local public high school 9 out of the top 15 students went to an elite college after high school this past year. The other six went to honors colleges at non elite schools. The top 50 students all had most of their College paid for by scholarships or financial aid. I am pretty sure the same situation is at most of the public schools in my county. Listen, just because your are big on private schools, it does not make public schools a terrible option for many. No, they don't say prayers every morning at the public school but they also don't bury their heads in the sand on big issues in society. If you want to build a wall and shield your child from the evil influences of society then that is fine. But public schools are doing a pretty good job in my county and it is one of the biggest counties in the state. As for the "Failing" part, much of that has to do with poverty more than it does with a teacher doing a terrible job. You place many of the impoverished and troubled children in a private school and they will still fail in many instances. Charter schools are revealing that fact more than ever.

Did not read.

 

[BHSRebels89]

I have two children. One an honors student in 11th grade who has never been one ounce of trouble and another that is going into high school and has as much academic and social promise as any kid out there. There is no doubt that many (if not the large majority) kids will do great going into private school and then into a more diverse world. I know many that have succeeded. Personally I think it is preferable to surround children with diversity ASAP because the country is becoming more diverse every day.

Good for you. I am sure you are proud. Being serious. I'm glad we can agree to disagree somewhat.

 

[mtct864]

LOL reject teachers?


Last I checked, you have to take a test to get into Bishop England if you're coming straight out of public school. I have known a couple kids who did not place into Bishop England and they had no choice but to go to another school.

Did you not read the part where I was speaking about the upstate? Most people ITT that have family in education will 100% agree. I do know that charleston has better private schools with a more normal environment because some of the school systems aren't very good.

Also, yes a lot of teachers are the ones that couldn't get public school jobs. I know this because my fiancé just went through Clemson's program and there were 3 girls who couldn't get a public school job who went private. It's basically the last option for many and embarassing for people to admit "they had to go teach private for a few years". Again, this doesn't mean all private school teachers are rejects. It's just oftentimes public pays more and you don't have to deal with private school parents so that is the first option for good, beginner teachers. You'll find good private school teachers that have kids in the school, but most people would never chose to teach private. I just wanted to point that out because many people have the misconception that private school teachers are better (I know I did before I met my fiancé).

 

[GMClemson33]

I know several private school teachers and they aren't there because they couldn't get a public school position. They chose the private school route because they can spend most of their time teaching rather than dealing with the crap many public school teachers have to deal with. There are great teachers in both.

 

[andcam]

Did not read.

That is a good answer when a person's logic destroys your argument. Luckily I don't have to use that on here often. Sometimes I do, but when a person basically indicates that public schools are a bad thing they are just too easy to whip in an argument.