OT - NEWSPRING ARTICLE
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From what I understand when you join the church instead of becoming a member of the church you become a owner.
Newspring = the TI gift that keeps on giving.
Ever entertaining for a neutral party
Ever entertaining for a neutral party
The NIV is actually a "good" translation, in that the writers went back to the original writings and translated from the original. Not all versions do that, some simply reword the KJV.
As for leaving a few verses out (the NIV does not leave out large portions), some NIV versions did it originally because the oldest known versions of those letters did not have those verses in them. Now, recent NIV versions do have the verses, they just note that the verses were not in the oldest writings.
I know a lot of people get hung up on a particular version, esp the KJV, but the truth is, any time you translate from one language to another, you lose some understanding. This is especially true for ancient Greek, which has MANY more tenses than our English.
Also, some words in other languages simply don't have a comparable English word. For example, the Greek 'metanoya' is translated 'repentance' in English, but the real meaning is 'change your mind'. If your pastor knows the Word, there should be a lot of 'metanoya' in every service, without a lot of crying and gnashing of teeth.
There is nothing magical about the KJV, all English translations have limitations. If you really want to understand what the original writers meant, there are a couple of versions that have a much more complete explanation. The KJV misses quite a lot.
There is one side if all churches that are a business. What's your point? Do you have some personal knowledge of the inner workings at Newspring, or are you just bashing something you really don't know much about like most people on here?
Newspring isn't my choice. I need much deeper teaching than Perry offers
But people are saved and he's filling a spiritual need in peoples lives .
I don't understand all the bashing , especially by those who claim to be saved.
Don't know about Newspring, but not every church publishes their budget. Personally, i don't believe in having members vote on a budget. There's no Biblical principal for having members vote on anything, actually.
Jesus came to bring the Kingdom of God.
In this country, we are huge believers (count me in) of a democratic (or more correctly, a republivan) process.
But kingdoms are not run that way.
Kingdoms are run by a King.
And in God's kingdom, He annoints people to be preachers, teachers, and other poisitions. None of them require a vote, and they are not employees, meaning they are not really accountable to the church members, but to God. The pastor in head of the local church. God's Kingdom is more military order than democracy, but it is an order of love and service, and not one of self centeredness.
Read Luke 16 verses 1-13. The parable of Jesus himself talking about being good stewardship of money. The church staff should be held accountable to let the congregation know how the money is being used. I hope you don't give your money to anyone (bank,401k,stocks,church) without any knowledge of how much or what it's being used for.
Nope....but the Bible mentions more than once to be a good steward, and to do that you need to know where your money is going.
What does NS have to hide by not disclosing their financials?
saddam hussein rebuilt babylon, wanted it to return to greatness
and i think they are starting to build the third temple
keep quiet
the bible should have never been translated to begin with
if you wanna understand it you must learn the language of authenticy
Totally agree with being a good steward. The job of church elders or decons, not the body at large.
While on the surface, there's certainly nothing wrong with publishing budgets, the favt is that it xan cause division when it should not over issues that don't matter..
Choose Godly men who are led by the Spirit and let them do what they are led to do.
No. You are completely wrong. The Bible says you, as the giver, need to be a good steward. That is crystal clear and there is not a hint of ambiguity in it.
The video doesn't lie. That dude has no business leading a church. I don't think less of you for attending there, because to each his own, but I definitely have a very low opinion of Mr. Perry Noble. The fact that he is associated with our football program in any way, shape, or form is an embarrassment.
That video is also several years old. I'm sure if people recorded everything you said, there might be some things to criticize. Have you ever attended Newspring? Or is your opinion, like most people on this board, based solely on cherry picked videos and the speculative thoughts of others? Again, Newspring isn't for everyone and that's fine. You don't like the church or the pastor and that's fine, too. However, bashing him every chance you get is ridiculous. And he's not associated with the football program in any official capacity--he's just the pastor of the church where a large number of players and coaches attend. If that embarrasses you, feel free to pick another team. Or I can put you in touch with the necessary people to get a meeting with the coaches so that you can tell them how embarrassed you are about where they attend church--I'm sure they'll care. The point is there's no need to criticize Perry and his church every chance you get. Everyone knows how you feel. Let it go and move on. Next time you're in the Upstate, let me know and you can come to a service with me and form your own opinion. I'll even buy you lunch afterwards. With that, I'm done. I hope all is well in Pawley's and it's good to see Coach Gregory having so much success with the baseball program.
You seem like a good person and a genuine guy. My only concern is that there are some financial concerns. Why is it so tough to find out how they spend their money.
I have picked churches in the past based on their impact in the community. If I were to choose New Spring, how would I go about finding that info publically?
Very disheartening to see all this, but like someone said he is doing exactly what he set out to do is to cause controversy. Never thought I would see this on a paid sports website. I agree and wish he would disassociate himself and newspring from Clemson athletics. I remember last football season, I believe it was after the South Carolina game, he was blowing up Twitter rubbing it in. It got so bad that people were making comments that how could a minister act like that. His response was " if you don't like what I say then stop following him". I unfollowed him that night and if I type his name in on Twitter I am blocked. As Christians we all have to answer to God but a minister, pastor, evangelist or whatever he calls himself is held to a higher standard. I'm praying for him and his "owners".
