That’s literally like me paying someone $60 or $80 bucks to go away. That’s no money to the nfl at all.
OT: NFL settles with Kaepernick and Reid
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That’s literally like me paying someone $60 or $80 bucks to go away. That’s no money to the nfl at all.
A couple things. I have no issue with a team releasing him because he did it on company time. Even if you add in the hypocrisy of it with them being paid as a league to be out there in the first place, it's still their league and their team.
My discussion and interest with the NFL is more with if it's collusion or not. That's just an interesting topic.
My disagreeing is more about individuals pretending to give an actual damn about the cause but don't like the protest. Again, I contend those folks don't understand what protest is. Yes the team provides a platform. He uses that platform to promote a message. There were consequences. Again. I'm ok with that. Protestors routinely go to jail. Nothing new there. People, some, not all, hiding their racism by pretending they care about him quietly kneeling is interesting to me. I wouldn't kneel but also don't take it to the level of a not wanting him to have a job in the NFL with my team or any other. While at the same time not showing equal disdain for a violent criminal rejoining my team.
Here’s my thing...NO NFL TEAM SHOULD HAVE TO HIRE ANYBODY THEY DON’T WANT ON THEIR TEAM!
He was a backup (at best) & a sideline distraction...why would anybody want that poison in their locker room?? He didn’t get blackballed...it’s a privilege to play in the league, not a right! I’m sure there are a lot of guys out there right now not on NFL rosters that believe they deserve to be there...can they all sue too?? Hell, can I sue? Why can’t I be there?? I think it’s a conspiracy smh
He was a backup (at best) & a sideline distraction...why would anybody want that poison in their locker room?? He didn’t get blackballed...it’s a privilege to play in the league, not a right! I’m sure there are a lot of guys out there right now not on NFL rosters that believe they deserve to be there...can they all sue too?? Hell, can I sue? Why can’t I be there?? I think it’s a conspiracy smh
Love when the racists use fake news to support their argument. Kaep never had a single contract offer since he started his protest.
rac·ist
/ˈrāsəst/
noun
- 1.
a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another
Haha are you really trying to say black people can't be racist?
Apologies for triggering you. Sometimes it’s hard for me to understand how delicate some snowflakes can be. I’ll try to be more sensitive to your needs.
I saw with my own eyes up close a few black racists. This is how their racism works. Again, just the ones that I know.
I don't like those white folks that don't like me. I hate them because they hate me. What about Mr so and so or Mrs so and so. Well no I like them. They are good people. They've always treated me fair and like a human being. That's different. Their racism is a defense mechanism based on how they're treated. They can't really discriminate because they have nothing to offer that the other race needs so to speak. No standing in society. No economic advantage to discriminate so to speak or power to deny any rights or privilege. My conclusion. They only don't like them because they didn't like them first otherwise they'd love them.
My definition upcoming.
A white racist doesn't like black folks period. Think they are inferior to them, would never have them mix blood or in most cases in their home as a guest. In this country they do in many cases have the powers I mentioned above that allows the racism to manifest itself in discrimination.
I'm hoping that's what he meant by black folks can't be racist. That's definitely not a fact.
Off topic...
We are less than 200 years removed from slavery, so I think your comment is applicable here.
I hope you’re just a Troll, but I have a feeling you are not unfortunately. So, I’m curious on how many decades/centuries into the future you feel that this type of comment will start to be much more inflammatory and do more damage to equality and race relations?
I know you fully realize that comment bothers a lot of the population making less than $100k a year. NFL players do have health risks, but they are compensated greatly compared to 99% of Americans. I just don’t understand the comparison from NFL owner to Slavemaster, or even the metaphor.
I’ve watched in 3 generations, my white extremely bigoted step-granddad speak horribly towards race, now to my white half-brother (his grandchild) marry an African-American wife and have interacial children. Today’s generation is much less racist than prior generations. We move the needle more and more with each generation.
In 50+ years, so much has been accomplished with race relations. Unfortunately, I can’t see the same pace of accomplishment over the next 50 years in the current environment, with the continued focus on dividing each other by race, on each and every side.
I’ll get off my soapbox, now... feel free to tell my how wrong I am.
I get that and respect his right to protest. More power to him using his public platform.
I also respect the rights of potential employers to pass. It's hard to argue that his protests didn't negatively affect the bottom line. The NFL is a business. Kap was bad for business.
I have every right to protest at my job but if it causes the company to lose money and draw unwanted attention I will be fired.
There will not be a golden parachute for me.
Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity.
I have seen and observed black people (employees and customers) who displayed racist words/actions towards my employees who were from Afghanistan and other countries and vice versa. It is my belief that there are some people within all races/national origins/ethnicities who display racist tendencies towards other races/groups. It is not confined to just one race or group.
Unfortunately racism exists in our country and our world, but I believe it is continuing to decline over time and with each new generation in this country ... it just isn't declining fast enough.
I have seen and observed black people (employees and customers) who displayed racist words/actions towards my employees who were from Afghanistan and other countries and vice versa. It is my belief that there are some people within all races/national origins/ethnicities who display racist tendencies towards other races/groups. It is not confined to just one race or group.
Unfortunately racism exists in our country and our world, but I believe it is continuing to decline over time and with each new generation in this country ... it just isn't declining fast enough.
I appreciate the response.
It is sort of amusing to me that when you compare the 2 groups of racists, one comes out standing on a higher moral ground.
John Elway said Denver offered him $7million per for 2 years
He’s plenty good enough to be playing in the NFL. There’s really no debating that. I’m just not sure if he’s worth the distraction that ownership obviously thinks he would bring. The Panthers owner, for instance seems like a fair and good man. He would be a pretty good fit in carolina as a backup because of the type of player Cam is. I don’t think he’s colluding not to hire him. I think he thinks it’s worth the potential hassle or backlash.
Before he started protesting. They also didn’t offer him a $7 million deal with no catch. They asked if the 49ers would trade him to the Broncos would be take a $12 million dollar pay cut which in turn would net him the $7 million.
So nobody is taking a $12 million pay cut. He was still under contract with the 49ers. He still played football after this and made $14 million that year with the 49ers.
They never approached him when he was a free agent.
I’ll take your word for it. In hindsight, one could argue he or his agent (if he had one, seems like he didn’t but not sure) overestimated his value. Either way, it’s a shame the way this ha shaken out because he is doing some really good things (although I don’t agree with all) and I believe he made some mistakes along the way that caused a whole bunch of people to tune him out.
Well my friend, this is a convenient definition as created by those who like to water down the true aspect of racism so that any one, singular person can be categorized as "racist". However, racism has always been, and will continue to be a "group phenomenon", where it's real definition is "a competitive relationship between two groups of people that are competing for the ownership and control of resources and power. In which one group (which controls those resources) can exert their political will and influences over the other, based solely on the criteria (in this case, the amount of skin melanoma) established by the controlling group". So if you can tell me a what point in the current society, or even through the historical time of creation and existence of this country, that the black race, either as an individual or collusive group, had the ability, through political power, policy or control of resources, that they could override the collective will of Caucasians in this country, then yes, I would agree that a black man can be racist.
We can be prejudice. We can be biased. What we can't be, either individually, or collectively, is racist. (and you can look up the definition of those two words to get a better understanding of what I am saying).
Simple example given the topic that generated this conversation: At what point in time did the collective black players had enough influence, control, and power to change the outcome of the Kaepernick decision? Answer: they never did because the controlling power doesn't reside with them, but does with the white team owners. So the collective will of the owners said, "to hell with what you want, we are not signing you, thus crippling you economically, and there isn't a thing any of you collectively can do about it."
When you look at the racial issue in this country as one of an individual choice or decision, you seriously do the topic a disservice. By making this a "single person" problem, you would say that racism will be eradicated when each individual changes his/her own mind, when in fact public policies and the systemic (and yes, historical) unequal allocation and distribution of resources are the real issues.
The salary argument is valid. And these owners are businessmen 1st. Why pay more for less? Our own CJ Spiller was a victim as he priced himself out of the league. There was no need to pay him millions when a rookie could generate the same stats at a portion of the cost.
I feel sorry for you.....and not because you are repressed.
How racist do you have to be to try and say you can’t be racist? We can be prejudice?... it’s literally in the definition of racist. Take that malarkey somewhere else.
I think you missed my point if what I said drew that conclusion. It's ok tho. I think honestly the best we can do is worry about ourselves and try to positively influence those around us. So I'm not going to be racist.
This has been proven to be untrue repeatedly but it still has life somehow.
Where did you read me argue against that point? In this very post I agreed with his pennies on the dollar comment.
Not sure if you've read all my posts, there's been a lot going on in this thread so I understand if you didn't see it. I laid out exactly what my problem was.
I agree with this.
NFL owners have shown they’ll accept anything short of a conviction for murder if it’ll help them win.
Kaepernick would be cancer for a team.
Kaps not black though. He’s 50% white and raised by 2 white parents. The dude is just as much white as he is black and can absolutely be racist.
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ehh, not sure that's the word you are looking for, but whatever. Either way, facts are facts, whether you choose to accept them or not.
You seriously said this: they never did because the controlling power doesn't reside with them, but does with the white team
You really think the players have never had the controlling power? All they had to do was stop playing. If the NFL is so bad (racist), the cause is so worthy or the protest so important, the players can just stop playing - that has always been their choice: to work for that ”slavemaster ” employer or not. The player has all the control. Period, End of argument.
I have been drinking. I skimmed over your post to be honest.
"I saw with my own eyes up close a few black racists. This is how their racism works. Again, just the ones that I know."
I assumed you were applying that anecdotal example, "They only don't like them because they didn't like them first otherwise they'd love them." to all black people who are racists. My mistake for not carrying the bold with me as I read through the rest of your post. I believe I see your point.
My definition of racism is simply variance. People believe they are inferior to those who are simply different. The more variance, the more hate. And obviously vice versa, we look for those similar to us and shy away from those who are different. No matter the perspective of the viewer that doesn't change with what side your own. No one is beyond the bounds from that. Cerebral stuff, I know, but it is really that simple IMO. Obviously most people can handle the variance and I'm not implying that everyone hates everyone who is different.
The only unequal/differential hate comes from population numbers or the majority of whichever place it might be. As you mentioned, that is what allows the discrimination to manifest. The majority will always have advantages. So yea, are black people discriminated against in this country? Unfortunately, yes. Do I think there has been substantial improvement? Yes, but that is another conversation.
I'm still laughing at @emajor2 for his posts ITT.
You know, I have received several comments but none yet has refuted what was written. Yes, a lot of snide comments and feign disbelief, but nothing answering the general premise of the question asked, and the basis of the answer given. But I understand completely. So I suggest you re-read what was written and tell me where, factually, I am wrong?
A simple review of history will answer who's right and who isn't.
Unfortunately, there's this theory that the term 'racism' actually defined anyone who has benefited unjustly due to their race. Thus, being racist or racism in general isn't something that an individual determines by how they act, but it is predetermined by the system we live in and what your race is.
I think it's arguably the most liberal, back-asswards thing I've ever heard of and a terrible thing to preach as it then takes the onus away from the individual and allows them to blame a system, but I do know it's taught in a lot of universities.
Here is a NY post article spewing some assumed facts on this whole cop killing people argument. But doesn't really support the whole blm kap supposition. Is this racisim too venicetiger?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ChAB&usg=AOvVaw0HNSacklJP85GXFgf5DIAs&cf=1
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ChAB&usg=AOvVaw0HNSacklJP85GXFgf5DIAs&cf=1
