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Serious tariff question

So now Mexico is pledging to deploy 10,000 troops to the US border if big bad Uncle Sam holds off on those tariffs while there is discussion on a wider deal. America is better off, and the the democrats can rest easy that the price of guacamole for the super bowl will not rise.

It's amazing how fast behavior can change when daddy comes back home.
Mexico did the same thing in 2021, but didn't end up tanking the stock market beforehand. Props to Pres Sheinbaum, too, since she got Trump to agree to help crack down on arms trafficking into Mexico.

 
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Since Trump has stated that he doesn't want to have to use tariffs and they are a negotiaing tool, winning is getting what you want in a negotiation.

Yes, Americans will be better off with less fentanyl and drugs coming into the country. Thousand upon thousands have been killed by fentanyl.

And, it's already working. Mexico just sent 10,000 troops to their border. And guess what, Trump already removed their Tariff.

You know who didnt do that? The Biden administration. Because they were weak and inept.
No, it was paused for a month while they work out the details of the agreement.
 
Ok setting aside arguments on whether tariffs are good or bad etc, I’m curious what exactly the tariffs on Canada are trying to get accomplished.

The President says that the tariffs are designed to get the border secured and to stop drugs from coming into the country, and if you take that at its face value then maybe tariffs on Mexico make some sense, but I don’t understand the tariffs on Canada.

What specific actions is the President wanting to see from Canada (and Mexico too) that would lead him to determine that the tariffs can be removed?

The President has talked about tariffs as an effective way to get other countries to do something the US wants them to do, but it’s unclear to me what he’s wanting from Canada, so to me these tariffs feel awfully arbitrary and are creating tensions and a trade war with a country that should be our closest ally and it feels like this will only hurt citizens in both countries.

Looking for serious responses here, please and thank you.
Genuine question id like to know: If a Chinese export goes through Canada (or Mexico) first, is it hit with a Chinese export tariff? I would imagine we’re smart enough to note the country of production, but who knows.

If that is a way around tariffs, you don’t have a choice but to place tariffs on Canada if you plan on raising them for a bunch of other countries too (which I assume to be the case).

I’ve made a couple comments in support of the trade deficit, so I’m not a tariff fan
 
And they will IMMEDIATELY send 10,000 to the border.

That is called winning.
Foreign army amassing on our border - winning.

Joking aside, this happens every few years. Mexico sends troops up to the border to assist with repelling border crossing, then after a bit of time they end up leaving. It happened in 2019 and 2021 - it's nothing new.

We going to comment on Sheinbaum getting Trump to bend the knee about arms trafficking into Mexico from the US?
 
Genuine question id like to know: If a Chinese export goes through Canada (or Mexico) first, is it hit with a Chinese export tariff? I would imagine we’re smart enough to note the country of production, but who knows.

If that is a way around tariffs, you don’t have a choice but to place tariffs on Canada if you plan on raising them for a bunch of other countries too (which I assume to be the case).

I’ve made a couple comments in support of the trade deficit, so I’m not a tariff fan
Assuming it's not being modified in Mexico/Canada/insert any other country, and is just passing through due to logistics reasons, then yes they'd pay the Chinese tariff. If it's stopping off in Mexico/Canada/etc to be assembled/disassembled/modified/etc then it will pay whatever that country's tariff is upon being exported to the US.

At least that's what my old roommate said who works in international freight - i had the same question.
 
Assuming it's not being modified in Mexico/Canada/insert any other country, and is just passing through due to logistics reasons, then yes they'd pay the Chinese tariff. If it's stopping off in Mexico/Canada/etc to be assembled/disassembled/modified/etc then it will pay whatever that country's tariff is upon being exported to the US.

At least that's what my old roommate said who works in international freight - i had the same question.

Sounds right. We do something similar with a device that is primarily manufactured in China, but then modified in an EU country.
 
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Genuine question id like to know: If a Chinese export goes through Canada (or Mexico) first, is it hit with a Chinese export tariff? I would imagine we’re smart enough to note the country of production, but who knows.

If that is a way around tariffs, you don’t have a choice but to place tariffs on Canada if you plan on raising them for a bunch of other countries too (which I assume to be the case).

I’ve made a couple comments in support of the trade deficit, so I’m not a tariff fan
In your scenario the items from china would still, in theory, be tariffed. But no one is naive to think that we catch all instances of that. Look no further than the DeepSeek drama last week. It's highly likely China was still getting NVDA chips through Singapore despite our export ban.
 
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Who doesn't love turning our closest friends into enemies?

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They do that all the time. Honestly, it's completely meaningless.
Yea I'm not sure why there's an opinion that 10k troops from Mexico to the boarder has any significance at all. Most people I see hyping this are generally the same people convinced that the Mexican government is corrupted by the cartels anyway, so this really means nothing at all to me.
 
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Yea I'm not sure why there's an opinion that 10k troops from Mexico to the boarder has any significance at all. Most people I see hyping this are generally the same people convinced that the Mexican government is corrupted by the cartels anyway, so this really means nothing at all to me.
This whole thing is utterly ridiculous. At best, President Trumps get a few meaningless talking points to pitch to his base. At worst, he manages to destabilize the world economy.

There just isn't a home anywhere for good old fashioned fiscal conservatism.
 
This whole thing is utterly ridiculous. At best, President Trumps get a few meaningless talking points to pitch to his base. At worst, he manages to destabilize the world economy.

There just isn't a home anywhere for good old fashioned fiscal conservatism.
You are just mad that Biden admin did absolutely nothing on the border and cost them the election.
 


#BREAKING: Canada, Trudeau fold, announce $1.3 billion border investment after Trump's tariff plan

Along with:
- A new Fentanyl Czar
- Designate cartels as terrorists
- Ensure "24/7 eyes on the border"
- Launch a U.S.-Canada strike force against organized crime
- New intel directive on organized crime and fentanyl worth $200M
- Tariffs paused for 30 days
 


Canada has agreed to ensure we have a secure Northern Border, and to finally end the deadly scourge of drugs like Fentanyl that have been pouring into our Country, killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, while destroying their families and communities all across our Country.

Canada will implement their $1.3 Billion Border plan, and as per Prime Minister Trudeau, will be, “reinforcing the Border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are, and will be, working on protecting the Border. In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the Border, launch a Canada-U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl, and we will be backing it with $200 million.”

As President, it is my responsibility to ensure the safety of ALL Americans, and I am doing just that. I am very pleased with this initial outcome, and the Tariffs announced on Saturday will be paused for a 30 day period to see whether or not a final Economic deal with Canada can be structured. FAIRNESS FOR ALL!

Donald Trump Truth Social Post 04:57 PM EST 02/03/25
 
If you drove an alpha Tesla you could get 132 MPG.
Teslas suck. Everyone I know outside of the internet who has one is in a continuous state of cope about how it’s actually normal for their cars to be as shitty as they are. Subie’s paid for and cost me <$30k after financing. I’m good.
I bet that highway mileage makes for great small talk with the other hippies and lesbians.
No but all the soccer moms at run club with fat husbands who drive big stupid trucks seem to like it plenty.
 


Canada has agreed to ensure we have a secure Northern Border, and to finally end the deadly scourge of drugs like Fentanyl that have been pouring into our Country, killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, while destroying their families and communities all across our Country.

Canada will implement their $1.3 Billion Border plan, and as per Prime Minister Trudeau, will be, “reinforcing the Border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are, and will be, working on protecting the Border. In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the Border, launch a Canada-U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl, and we will be backing it with $200 million.”

As President, it is my responsibility to ensure the safety of ALL Americans, and I am doing just that. I am very pleased with this initial outcome, and the Tariffs announced on Saturday will be paused for a 30 day period to see whether or not a final Economic deal with Canada can be structured. FAIRNESS FOR ALL!

Donald Trump Truth Social Post 04:57 PM EST 02/03/25
No one tell Donnie that Canada agreed to do this in like 2021.
 
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Teslas suck. Everyone I know outside of the internet who has one is in a continuous state of cope about how it’s actually normal for their cars to be as shitty as they are. Subie’s paid for and cost me <$30k after financing. I’m good.

No but all the soccer moms at run club with fat husbands who drive big stupid trucks seem to like it plenty.
I've never had a problem with my Tesla. It is far superior to any gas car. Any electric car, even outside of Tesla, is better than an ICE car. The acceleration, control, efficiency, cost to operate, and software are all far superior. And Teslas have the highest customer satisfaction and customer loyalty of any brand. So, while i am sure a few people are "coping" with their car, maybe you just need to get out more and meet more people because the statistics say your observations are dead wrong.
 
I've never had a problem with my Tesla. It is far superior to any gas car. Any electric car, even outside of Tesla, is better than an ICE car. The acceleration, control, efficiency, cost to operate, and software are all far superior. And Teslas have the highest customer satisfaction and customer loyalty of any brand. So, while i am sure a few people are "coping" with their car, maybe you just need to get out more and meet more people because the statistics say your observations are dead wrong.
JD Power and Consumer reports both say they’re not reliable vehicles. The service costs are very low because of the warranty program and the fact that most service calls for EV’s prior to the battery going bad are less manpower intensive software or sensor related issues due to the smaller number of mechanical components compared to ICE.

We’ve got 5 of them in the parking lot at work right now. I know that 3 of those people had them in the shop 3 or more times last year.

Subie costs about $750/year at this point for fuel and service assuming $3/g gas. No payment and the taxes and insurance are low because it’s a 7 year old car that cost $27k new.
 
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JD Power and Consumer reports both say they’re not reliable vehicles. The service costs are very low because of the warranty program and the fact that most service calls for EV’s prior to the battery going bad are less manpower intensive software or sensor related issues due to the smaller number of mechanical components compared to ICE.

We’ve got 5 of them in the parking lot at work right now. I know that 3 of those people had them in the shop 3 or more times last year.

Subie costs about $750/year at this point for fuel and service assuming $3/g gas. No payment and the taxes and insurance are low because it’s a 7 year old car that cost $27k new.
You know there is a lot of misinformation out there because Musk is a polarizing figure to some. So, i'll help you out with some facts.

1) Tesla has the highest customer satisfaction and customer loyalty of ANY auto brand
2) Tesla car lifespan expectancy is 204,000 dwarfing the 125,000 of gas cars

EV's engines have about 200 moving parts while ICE engines have about 2000 moving parts. One will need less service over time, you do the math.

EV's, not necessarily Tesla although they have a massive lead, will win out. They are the future, not because they are good for the environment, but because they are much better cars.

Oh yeah, your Subie can't drive itself either. :)

 
You know there is a lot of misinformation out there because Musk is a polarizing figure to some. So, i'll help you out with some facts.

1) Tesla has the highest customer satisfaction and customer loyalty of ANY auto brand
2) Tesla car lifespan expectancy is 204,000 dwarfing the 125,000 of gas cars

EV's engines have about 200 moving parts while ICE engines have about 2000 moving parts. One will need less service over time, you do the math.

EV's, not necessarily Tesla although they have a massive lead, will win out. They are the future, not because they are good for the environment, but because they are much better cars.

Oh yeah, your Subie can't drive itself either. :)

Those stats are heavily skewed by the higher end models. The lower MSRP teslas as well as the cybertruck, which was excluded from this study, are notoriously bad.

None of this is worth the price of tea in China though because you’re trying to make the case that buying a new $60k EV (at >6% APR) is somehow a financially prudent decision vs a fuel efficient low maintenance paid for ICE. I’ll get an EV for my next vehicle, but there’s no bonus here for being an early adopter. I’m happy to drive my granola wagon to the office for a few years while Moore’s law does its thing.
 
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