How about the several examples where gay people have sued Christian bakeries, shops, etc. for standing up for Christian beliefs? It is not legislation, but it is litigation to force another group of people to change their values.
SIAP but was suprised to not see a thread about Dabo and this Family Council
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The PFC is actively pushing legislation that stops individuals from having equal protections under the law. If there was a group out there that was actively pushing for men and women to not be allowed to be married, I would hold the same view that Dabo shouldn't be involved with them.
On to my use of the term "bigot" when describing the PFC, I think you left out some important descriptors when it comes to that definition, words like "obstinately" and "irrationally" belong before intolerance. People who use the bible (and this is only a few dozen or so christian sects at this point) to justify their belief that people don't deserve the same laws/rights as them are bigots.
Dabo Swinney is a public figure who represents a public university. He won't be arrested for speaking to this group (so his freedom of speech is not being affected here), but he puts his livelihood at jeopardy by doing so because of who he works for.
Was it OK when white shop owners refused to serve black people?
Is one really standing up for their Christian beliefs by refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple?
Legislating how exactly? What in the world are you referring to? In what way is Christianity trying to impose on others? We want to be able to worship the Lord, try our best to live according to God's Word and have others respect our right to do so. I don't want to do anything that denies others a chance to have happiness in their lives. (Even though thorough study and factual analysis demonstrates clearing that LGBT will never find what they are looking for no matter how much society chooses to accept their lifestyles. The problem isn't with society.)
Marriage since the dawn of time is one man, one woman. That's the way it was intended. Period. It doesn't mean we can't love, accept, live with, support, etc. those who choose to live a different way. I have and I do now. My beliefs may not be those of others. I have no desire to force them to live my way. Conversely, I shouldn't be forced to live their way either. It's so frustrating to listen to the super simplistic liberal group think on this. It isn't a simple issue no matter how much people try to make it that way.
He is going for the award they are presenting to him for being the outstanding person he is. As of right now, to my knowledge, there is no information on him going to the event to support them or their cause in any capacity. Until this guy can get a piece written on what he, Dabo, says and does at the event, I think he is trying to stir up clicks and readers of his "news". Same goes for the politician. Only reason he is speaking out is for votes in his district.
To me, it is all about trying to redefine the word marriage. I am ok with legalizing civil unions as that is what it is. Give LGBT their rights to be in a union.
Unfortunately, the LGBT movement is an intolerant movement that can not appreciate differing view points. They like to label people bigots but they seem to be the most hateful upon people that view different. For me, it is not about being on the right side of history but the right side of eternity.
So the legal definition of marriage should be defined by your religious beliefs?
Is one really standing up for their Christian beliefs by refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple?[/QUOTE]
If their Christian belief is that homosexuality is wrong, then the answer to your question is YES.
If their Christian belief is that homosexuality is wrong, then the answer to your question is YES.
Study and factual analysis huh? I'd like to see that...
Also, "since the dawn of time is one man, one woman"? WTF is that? Numerous historic examples of same sex couples being together, and even *gasp* getting married, in ancient greece, mesopotamia, rome, china, etc.
maybe we should allow states to vote on whether to allow it or not. But that is not what is happening is it? 2% of the population is forcing their viewpoint on marriage on the others. The legal definition shouldn't be defined by the very, very tiny minority.
Who should get to choose the definition?
Doesn't really matter, because the Supreme Court gonna make all these arguments moot this summer anyway
If their Christian belief is that homosexuality is wrong, then the answer to your question is YES.[/QUOTE]
Interesting. Should shop owners be able to deny their services to folks who are not Christian? Should they be able to not pay taxes because their Christian beliefs run afoul of our government's activities?
2% Despite what @shortbus22 will say, I am not a gay dude and support gays being able to marry. In fact a majority of people under the age of 40 believe that.
[QUOTE="TheClemsonJaguar, post: 133434, m. In fact a majority of people under the age of 40 believe that.[/QUOTE]
I absolutely refuse to believe that. I have not seen one stat to back that up.
I absolutely refuse to believe that. I have not seen one stat to back that up.
I can provide plenty if you'd like to see them. Here's one: http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/politics/poll-obama-approval-rating-economy/index.html
On another issue slated to come before the court this term, 63% of Americans say that gays and lesbians have a constitutional right to marry and have their marriages recognized by the law as valid. That's up from 49% in August 2010. Over that time, the share who see marriage as a constitutional right has climbed 15 points among Republicans to 42% and 19 points among Democrats to 75%.
Here is another if you think CNN is inaccurate: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/...marriage-hits-all-time-high-wsjnbc-news-poll/
I think I am going to be sick. Going to go drink now. Absolutely sad what is happening in this country
What if you just re-burried your head in the sand instead?
I absolutely refuse to believe that. I have not seen one stat to back that up.[/QUOTE]
Pew Research: http://www.pewforum.org/2014/09/24/graphics-slideshow-changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/
What time period would you like to go back to tommy so that we can back to the good old days?
The really sad thing is this comes right on the heels of the Josh Duggar scandal. NOT saying Dabo thinks the same as the Duggar freaks, but Josh Duggar was part of one of these pro-family groups that spoke against gay marriage, helped the group lobby against gay marriage, but failed to disclose he use to fondle his sisters when he was 15.
I don't particiarily like these groups and the fact that Dabo is speaking at their function but he has that right and some DA politician should just shut up. However, I'm a little disappointed that he's doing it.
I don't particiarily like these groups and the fact that Dabo is speaking at their function but he has that right and some DA politician should just shut up. However, I'm a little disappointed that he's doing it.
Why do I care if two gays get married? Just means less blowjobs and more bitching. They should be allowed the tax breaks for an inconvenience fee.
God isn't changing his view on it based off the law imho. So what difference does it really make?
God isn't changing his view on it based off the law imho. So what difference does it really make?
And yes, @TheClemsonJaguar is a homosexual, despite his comments to the contrary.
bigotry....
your problem, apart from the fact that you are stupid, is that you post things that you don't know anything about. How do you know that DS is going to "align" himself with anything.....? and you obviously don't know the meaning of "bigotry". Bigotry is the hatred of an individual or group.....based on racial or social considerations. You don't hate the gayboy.....you hate the gayboyness and what it does to the culture. I'll get to you after I dispatch taint.
You know, you shouldn't be calling people stupid when you have no grasp of the issue at hand. Swinney (while I respect the man) is speaking at a fundraiser for a group that actively lobbies against same sex marriage. Which is definitely forcing their bigotry on others in the form of law. So get your weak argument out of here.
Whether you libs like it or not, Swinney, speaking at this function, or even endorsing their beliefs, will have the support and backing of probably 80% of this fan base. Swinney is one of "us".
I would suggest becoming a fan of UC Berkley if you want your school and those running the show to align with your liberal views.
I would suggest becoming a fan of UC Berkley if you want your school and those running the show to align with your liberal views.
The president of the national organization that palmetto family counsel is affiliated with, Tony Perkins, spoke at a white supremacist group,Council of Conservative Citizens, in 2001. That info will be dug up by the national media. They will hang all that racism on the group giving u the award.
Perkins is president of family research counsel. Palmetto family counsel is the SC branch. They r a known discrimination group. It is really bad PR on a national level for dabo. He is in a pickle.
Perkins is president of family research counsel. Palmetto family counsel is the SC branch. They r a known discrimination group. It is really bad PR on a national level for dabo. He is in a pickle.
Of course not and for you to compare the right for gays to marry with the civil rights struggle is disgusting. Check yourself buddy.
For the entire southeast region, 55% oppose to gay marriage. In a few short years, you will be that vocal minority. You will no longer be "us".
Do you realize that one of the rights won during the civil rights movement was the right to interracial marriage? Do you also understand that the idea of the Government deciding these issues is beyond stupid?
I have no idea. Pew lumps together SC, GA, NC, Florida. But, SC is amongst the states that has legalized it.
Well he's the ad now at the self proclaimed flagship university. Surely he's more powerful than dabo
Unfortunately, the response of "hey our former rival baseball coach is a bigot and racist too" will not move the needle in our favor.
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