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Sorta OT: Ho Lee Sheet how can someone be this stoopid

Did people think she was joking when she said she was a socialist? It’s not like she made her views secret from the people who could vote for her. These views, unfortunately, resonate with a lot of people who blame the status quo for every problem they see in the world (and they see many, even if those problems are only abstractions to them). She’s popular because she’s so extreme (or, different than the status quo), not in spite of her views.

Her popularity as a more pure outsider with views that delineate her from “the establishment” seems pretty similar to Trump’s popularity. It’s surprising that more Trump-ites don’t acknowledge that, but many of them are blind to the way his appeal could be similar to people they don’t like.
 
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To me it is equally amazing that someone like you, who honestly based in our interactions here, I think is a fairly intelligent person, continues to support and make excuses for trump. You and I both know that he is a fricking embarrassment to the office of President. I am also surprised that you don’t see that dumb shits voting AOC into office is a direct reaction to dumbshits electing a reality show host as president. For every action there is a reaction. Buckle up. And when you want to blame someone? Look in the mirror.

I’m not some Trump fanboy and don’t approve of his tweets, etc. I also don’t agree with every policy. I’ve always said that.

Would I take hourly f bomb tweets and a crusade to erect a game of thrones style ice wall on the southern border over the green new deal? Sure.

I just want a strong economy, low taxes, personal responsibility, limited scope of government, moderate social policy, etc. I’m cool with reasonable gun control and think we should address environmental issues thoughtfully without cutting the legs from under businesses. My guess is that most successful people like all of those things. It’s the stuff on the fringes that push them one way or another.
 
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This may be the only known board in which the collective cerebral cortices are outweighed by the amygdalae.

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I’m not some Trump fanboy and don’t approve of his tweets, etc. I also don’t agree with every policy. I’ve always said that.

Would I take hourly f bomb tweets and a crusade to erect a game of thrones style ice wall on the southern border over the green new deal? Sure.

I just want a strong economy, low taxes, personal responsibility, limited scope of government, moderate social policy, etc. My guess is that most successful people like all of those things. It’s the stuff on the fringes that push them one way or another.
I can get being willing to trade an economic policy you want for silly tweets an unrealistic promises on other policies.

But I’m not sure that a conservative fiscal policy is worth having a president that is ready and willing to create the kind of constitutional, existential problems this one may create.

I’m genuinely nervous about what he might do if he doesn’t win re-election.
 
She won an election in which she received 16,000 votes and now she is driving the bus for the Left. It is sad and funny at the same time. Think about this. The Left painted themselves in a major corner. They have a screwed up Rep from Minnesota that is a Jewish hating person. The Left went into labeling people with every ism under the sun for the past 2 years and now they can not keep this lady in line because they have created this environment of being PC. Pelosi went so far as defending her by saying she does not understand the words that she is saying. Ok that is cool but why in the Hell is this lady STILL on the Foreign Affairs Committee if she does not understand the words that she speaks? Pelosi is the Grandma in the grocery store with all the grandkids and has not control over them


Lol at ilhan Omar being a "Jewish hating person"...
 
I can get being willing to trade an economic policy you want for silly tweets an unrealistic promises on other policies.

But I’m not sure that a conservative fiscal policy is worth having a president that is ready and willing to create the kind of constitutional, existential problems this one may create.

I’m genuinely nervous about what he might do if he doesn’t win re-election.

Trump is different from other presidents, but people have expressed similar fears about nearly all of the recent ones. The problem is the difference between Trump and the others is that his character is extremely low, and he really doesn’t know about or care about the norms of our government.

I don’t think that means Trump is going to do something crazy if he loses, but there’s very little you can rule out based on his behavior and character.
 
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Trump is different from other presidents, but people have expressed similar fears about nearly all of the recent ones. The problem is the difference between Trump and the others is that his character is extremely low, and he really doesn’t know about or care about the norms of our government.

I don’t think that means Trump is going to do something crazy if he loses, but there’s very little you can rule out based on his behavior and character.
I'm probably less nervous about what he will do and more nervous about what he might say which in turn causes some of his supporters to do something.

There is a solid portion of his base that legitimately believes there is a "deep state" conspiracy against him and Trump has seemingly no problem with exacerbating those kinds of beliefs.
 
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I'm probably less nervous about what he will do and more nervous about what he might say which in turn causes some of his supporters to do something.

There is a solid portion of his base that legitimately believes there is a "deep state" conspiracy against him and Trump has seemingly no problem with exacerbating those kinds of beliefs.

Eh. Those people will move on to the next big thing just like they did with Trump. They’ll forget about him in a few years and probably will remember how they always knew he was an idiot or something.
 
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I mean the last guy that got elected claimed he could get Mexico to pay for a wall so it is indeed possible we could elect someone else with ridiculous ideas.

dbjork6317, there are lots of ways to get Mexico to pay for the wall outside of a direct written check. It is impossible to do any of this when you have a Dem controlled house that has one objective, be against anything that Trump is for.
 
dbjork6317, there are lots of ways to get Mexico to pay for the wall outside of a direct written check. It is impossible to do any of this when you have a Dem controlled house that has one objective, be against anything that Trump is for.

Like mitch McConnell and the republican controlled senate while Obama was president?
 
Right, she’s just an anti-Semite.

Question. Does being anti-Israeli = anti-Semite?

If yes, does that mean being anti-USA = anti-Christian? Or anti-Iran=anti-Muslim?

Can someone be critical of political policy without being condemned as some form of bigot or traitor?

When groups want to shut down debate they often silence those by using inflammatory language.

McCarthyism is an example. Society cannot be critical of political ideals without the threat of ostracism or silence. Both sides are guilty. The result is a muzzle on the more moderate minds that may lead to acceptable action.
 
dbjork6317, there are lots of ways to get Mexico to pay for the wall outside of a direct written check. It is impossible to do any of this when you have a Dem controlled house that has one objective, be against anything that Trump is for.
And the fact that Trump said, both DURING and AFTER his campaign, that it wouldn't be a check written by Mexico. He clearly stated it would be paid for in newly negotiated trade deals. The USMCA does just that. Congress needs to pass it.
 
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The power of Fox News to create and control the conservative narrative is astounding. Not only does the network drive direct policy responses from our Reality Host in Chief, it fashions an entire outrage cottage industry, the AOC brand, out of thin air.

She's one vote and her biggest deal to date is a NONBINDING resolution with ambitious goals, yet you'd think she was going door to door taking peoples guns and forcing abortions with the non-stop spiteful rhetoric coming from much of the right.
 
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I love how conservatives are so rustled by this one woman. Pretty hilarious.

It would be like a liberal on this board posting about the inane things Louie Gohmert says.

(Also "a hole new level"?? Really?)

What I find ironic about that video is that in spoofing the Breakfast Club, she chose to dance the part of the whacked out basket case girl (Ally Sheedy’s character.)

Kind of foreshadowing I think.
 
And the fact that Trump said, both DURING and AFTER his campaign, that it wouldn't be a check written by Mexico. He clearly stated it would be paid for in newly negotiated trade deals. The USMCA does just that. Congress needs to pass it.

dbjork6317, there are lots of ways to get Mexico to pay for the wall outside of a direct written check. It is impossible to do any of this when you have a Dem controlled house that has one objective, be against anything that Trump is for.


Please explain how a trade deal and tariffs "pay" for a wall because, functionally, I just don't see it.

Is there any economic analysis that says Mexico will actually pay for a wall through a renegotiated trade relationship?

Relatedly how is USMCA really that much different than NAFTA? Most of the analysis I've read says the new agreement is mostly like the old one. How is it better such that it forces Mexico to pay for a wall?
 
Please explain how a trade deal and tariffs "pay" for a wall because, functionally, I just don't see it.

Is there any economic analysis that says Mexico will actually pay for a wall through a renegotiated trade relationship?

Relatedly how is USMCA really that much different than NAFTA? Most of the analysis I've read says the new agreement is mostly like the old one. How is it better such that it forces Mexico to pay for a wall?
I don’t want to get in the middle of this, but I will say tongue in cheek that they pay for it the same way that $3 billion in tax credits can be used to build infrastructure etc
 
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dbjork6317, there are lots of ways to get Mexico to pay for the wall outside of a direct written check. It is impossible to do any of this when you have a Dem controlled house that has one objective, be against anything that Trump is for.
Mr. Hinds62, Question; Why if it was such An Emergency & Not Political, didn’t the 2 years of Republican Controlled Congress & Trump in The White House, The Wall Was Not Funded? Because this is A Political Stunt by D. Trump for political cover. Heck even Republicans don’t agree with this stunt!
 
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I don’t want to get in the middle of this, but I will say tongue in cheek that they pay for it the same way that $3 billion in tax credits can be used to build infrastructure etc

In that case, if I'm following you, a gov gives a contractor a tax credit in exchange for building a bridge or whatever. Makes sense.

So we give Mexico a trade credit (a tariff cut) and they build a wall? That doesn't make sense and is not how trade agreements function or are structured. Explain what you mean please as I, again, don't see it.

Maybe I'm wrong. I base my conclusion that a new trade relationship won't do much to pay for a wall on studying international trade law and keeping abrest of trade developments as a pet nerd interest. That doesn't make me an expert by any means, and I could be missing something, but I'm speaking from a place of knowledge not partisanship.
 
In that case, if I'm following you, a gov gives a contractor a tax credit in exchange for building a bridge or whatever. Makes sense.

So we give Mexico a trade credit (a tariff cut) and they build a wall? That doesn't make sense and is not how trade agreements function or are structured. Explain what you mean please as I, again, don't see it.

Maybe I'm wrong. I base my conclusion that a new trade relationship won't do much to pay for a wall on studying international trade law and keeping abrest of trade developments as a pet nerd interest. That doesn't make me an expert by any means, and I could be missing something, but I'm speaking from a place of knowledge not partisanship.
No, I was talking about AOC's assertion that instead of giving Amazon a $3b tax credit, they could use that money for other things, as if it existed
 
No, I was talking about AOC's assertion that instead of giving Amazon a $3b tax credit, they could use that money for other things, as if it existed

Course it is moot with Amazon taking business elsewhere.

However, genuine question for understanding, the claim is that if Amazon does not get the credit then the govt would collect said taxes (not necessarily 3b)?
 
& Steve King said Hello...Oh & don’t forget Leader Kevin McCarthy anti-Semite tweet...& don’t forget Our President, “Good People on All Side”, Charlottesville, Va!

Is this a contest? If so, Steve King was denounced by everybody and stripped of his committee assignments. Not sure what you're talking about with Kevin McCarthy, but I'm guessing it has something to do with mentioning George Soros or something. Donald Trump is a moron.

But it's not a contest where whatever you think the other side has said justifies something people on your side has said. Ilhan Omar is an idiot that's probably going to continue to embarrass Democrats, and Democrats would've been better off to have marginalized her.
 
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Course it is moot with Amazon taking business elsewhere.

However, genuine question for understanding, the claim is that if Amazon does not get the credit then the govt would collect said taxes (not necessarily 3b)?
She said that if they didn't give Amazon a $3b credit, that they could use that money for other stuff. It's a third grade level understanding of things.
 
Question. Does being anti-Israeli = anti-Semite?

If yes, does that mean being anti-USA = anti-Christian? Or anti-Iran=anti-Muslim?

Can someone be critical of political policy without being condemned as some form of bigot or traitor?

When groups want to shut down debate they often silence those by using inflammatory language.

McCarthyism is an example. Society cannot be critical of political ideals without the threat of ostracism or silence. Both sides are guilty. The result is a muzzle on the more moderate minds that may lead to acceptable action.

What's going on with Omar (and we're setting aside Rashida Tlaib) is a little different. She isn't just criticizing Israel (and people who support Israel), she's singling out Israel for special criticism, much of which is borrowed from anti-Semitic tropes about Jews having an occult influence over the world. And she just keeps doing it.

Here are a few of her classics:
- Israel “hypnotized the world," because the Jewish state has special power to control public opinion

- She said the only reason people in Congress support Israel is Jewish money- "the Benjamins" (Yes, it's from a rap song, but maybe you don't talk about "Benjamins" if you want people to think you're not being anti-Semitic)

- She criticized supporters of Israel for having “allegiance to a foreign power,” which is an old anti-Semitic trope
“I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay to push for allegiance to a foreign country.”

Nita Lowey, a Jewish Democrat, urged her to retract her comments. Here's what Omar responded: “I should not be expected to have allegiance/pledge support to a foreign country in order to serve my country in Congress or serve on a committee.”

- To defend herself from criticism of other comments, she said this:
"a lot of our Jewish colleagues, a lot of our constituents, a lot of our allies got to thinking that everything we say about Israel to be anti-Semitic because we are Muslim."

- She supports the BDS movement

The defenses of her have ranged from, "she doesn't know what she's saying" to "she's from a different culture," to something like the "she's a victim" defense. Even if you think she's innocently saying the things that anti-Semites typically say, she isn't receiving nearly the normal scrutiny she would have if she weren't in the position/of the identity she is.
 
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She's right in theory. It's a broken system that is inherently disadvantageous to the poor, but it's the best available among broken systems that are inherently disadvantageous to the poor.
 
Is this a contest? If so, Steve King was denounced by everybody and stripped of his committee assignments. Not sure what you're talking about with Kevin McCarthy, but I'm guessing it has something to do with mentioning George Soros or something. Donald Trump is a moron. But it's not a contest where whatever you think the other side has said justifies something people on your side has said. Ilhan Omar is an idiot that's probably going to continue to embarrass Democrats, and Democrats would've been better off to have marginalized her.
No, no & no to competition! What it is however is the Friendly Reminder to All The Pile On that there are numerous, Racist & anti-Semitic rhetoric made by numerous Republicans. Now many are trying to place the ignorance of one person in a party with a broad brush!
Yes, about Steve King, but how many Years did it take! Kevin McCarthy dollar signs attached to a Jewish Democratic Mayor was Never Addressed & now he is perched on his Moral High Horse!
I do agree with you concerning Mr. Trump, but wish others would give Ms. Omar the same leash as we did Mr. King & giving Our President!
FYI, I don’t care for the rhetoric, racist or anti-Semitic associated with any of these people, but please let’s be consistent when calling out these things! I do not remember This Board having 4+ pages associated with Steve King ignorance! Signed, No Contest, just A Friendly Reminder/Request!
 
She's right in theory. It's a broken system that is inherently disadvantageous to the poor, but it's the best available among broken systems that are inherently disadvantageous to the poor.
People are poor because they choose to be poor, IMO. No one forced them to not try in school, not attend college, not learn a skill or craft from a tech school, etc. Life is about choices.
 
People are poor because they choose to be poor, IMO. No one forced them to not try in school, not attend college, not learn a skill or craft from a tech school, etc. Life is about choices.

What a terrible opinion. I hope that one day you come to realize how wrong you are.
 
People are poor because they choose to be poor, IMO. No one forced them to not try in school, not attend college, not learn a skill or craft from a tech school, etc. Life is about choices.

This is, obviously, a ridiculous oversimplification. There's a grain of truth to what you said regarding some people, but any time you're talking about millions of people there's going to be some nuance. Nothing is as cut and dried as you seem to think it is.
 
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I’m convinced she is a plant by the Trump administration to ensure he gets elected again.
Shes a plant by the left to get used to the Extreme left. They want people to go so used to the extreme that when a "normal" one pops up, people will have tolerance for that one. That one, will be Michele Obama. They want her to run so bad it's not even funny. They'll wait though. It's far too early for her to get out there.

They'll impeach Trump (which means nothing more than file charges) and then they'll announce Michele or someone like that. The left really wants to distance themselves from those extreme people. But they cant.

Their main goal... Impeach Trump right before 2020 so that their only hope is people will be a afraid to vote for a president that's being investigated. They dont care if he actually gets charged, they just want the black eye.

It's a final haymaker to try throw it off. Like him or not, but Trump has made the left stand up and admit who they are. If you want to run against him in 2020, you better be ready to admit you're for illegal immigration and wide open borders. They've not wanted to admit that, but they will have to in 2020. Good luck winning an American Election on open borders.

Hes primed to wax the floor with them. But the timing on the "impeachment" will be his hurdle. They have nothing on him, but they dont care. They need people to turn on Trump to win.

The real winner is the Governemnt in all of this. They've created two sides, and you have to pick. They actually hope you dont pick. They want people to stay out of politics and leave that stuff up to them. They prefer you stay home.


Edit**** I almost forgot... this is JMO.
 
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Shes a plant by the left to get used the Extreme left. They want people to go so used to the extreme that when a "normal" one pops up, people will have tolerance for that one. That one, will be Michele Obama. They want her to run so bad it's not even funny. They'll wait though. It's far too early for her to get out there.

They'll impeach Trump (which means nothing more than file charges) and then they'll announce Michele or someone like that. The left really wants to distance themselves from those extreme people. But they cant.

Their main goal... Impeach Trump right before 2020 so that their only hope is people will be a afraid to vote for a president that's being investigated. They dont care if he actually gets charged, they just want the black eye.

It's a final haymaker to try throw it off. Like him or not, but Trump has made the left stand up and admit who they are. If you want to run against him in 2020, you better be ready to admit you're for illegal immigration and wide open borders. They've not wanted to admit that, but they will have to in 2020.

Hes primed to wax the floor with them. But the timing on the "impeachment" will be his hurdle. They have nothing on him, but they dont care. They need people to turn on Trump to win.

Trump has accomplished something I didn't think was possible, and that's effectively force both parties to completely abandon what they stand for.
 
No, no & no to competition! What it is however is the Friendly Reminder to All The Pile On that there are numerous, Racist & anti-Semitic rhetoric made by numerous Republicans. Now many are trying to place the ignorance of one person in a party with a broad brush!
Yes, about Steve King, but how many Years did it take! Kevin McCarthy dollar signs attached to a Jewish Democratic Mayor was Never Addressed & now he is perched on his Moral High Horse!
I do agree with you concerning Mr. Trump, but wish others would give Ms. Omar the same leash as we did Mr. King & giving Our President!
FYI, I don’t care for the rhetoric, racist or anti-Semitic associated with any of these people, but please let’s be consistent when calling out these things! I do not remember This Board having 4+ pages associated with Steve King ignorance! Signed, No Contest, just A Friendly Reminder/Request!

There really aren't many anti-Semitic comments made by prominent Republicans, partly because of where the two sides are on foreign policy. I have no doubt you'd have more of it if the anti-Israel crowd was more influential on the right. But my point is that people need to stop responding to bad behavior by one side by citing bad behavior by the other side (real, or imagined) as if it justifies anything.

I don't think anybody thinks all Democrats are as anti-Semitic as Ilhan Omar is, if they are at all. But there is a growing faction of left-leaning people, especially among the intersectional-ists, who at least excuse anti-Semitism, if they're not endorsing it, as a way trying to rank victim status. As more of these people become influential within the Democrat Party (indeed, some have been elected, while others have led protest movements like the "Women's March," and in the context of the UK, it's a problem with the leader of the Labour Party), I think they'll become a bigger and bigger headache to Democratic leadership.

I also think Democrats made a mistake in watering down their resolution against "hate." It sounded a lot like the people who immediately tried to co-opt "Black Lives Matter" into "All Lives Matter."
 
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